I'm not here to belittle anyone. I just think you should take some of your own advice. So yeah, shut the fuck up.

Threads like this confirm how fucked up this place is...

all donation threads have somehow fired back whether its a little like this one or huge with real scammers. Thats why i never donate any money to anyone.

Totally off topic...who is the chick in your sig?

hum....
well this just shows we are not alll alike..

its from where the boys arent 15 i dont know who it is

If it was my son whose life was on the line, I would do ANYTHING to give him a chance. Seeking needed donations on a message board hardly would be something that would be below me at that point.

Could not agree with you more. My heart goes out to NC and his son, but if your medical expenses are covered fully and you are financially strapped, then you should ask relatives and friends. Not go on a board and say my son has a brain tumor which will be fully covered by insurance, but I need money to live.

I have been in a similar situation and my parents and family helped me out greatly fortunately. I think it is in poor taste to ask strangers to pay for your living expenses and try to mask it as paying for a surgery that is fully covered.

Agreed 100%. Could not be more right on this one. :thumbsup :thumbsup

AARGHH his son is taken care off!!! This is not about his son being in a situation where he needs out money to survive.

See, this is exactly my problem. Your emotions are taking over just like 99% of the people in this thread. I would do anything in my power if something happened to (my future) son, even beg on messageboards. I'm not saying that is wrong!!!!. What is wrong is that he is getting money for stuff that he should fix on his own in my opinion. Read and think damnit. It isnt that hard.

Yes, i would ask for donations if i couldnt pay for my sons surgery, ofcourse. Hell no i would ask for donations for expenses like traveling costs etc. I would go to the bank and get a loan or contact family or whatever.

How hard is it to understand what i am saying.

what happened with the 25k bank loan anyway ?
That should be enough to cover the expenses for a while.

Day one, NC was going to have to travel to Texas. So it all started out with a realistic big need for Samuel. No problem. Then the situation changed with time. Turned into a bit of a mess. Atleast this what appears to of happened.

I wonder where the best treatment would be??? Canada or Texas?

If it were me, I'd put all the donations aside for the kid incase the situation changes and I'd be prepared to give an accounting.

Great sugestion, but the question is : do you want your donation back?

Frank, you're scum. Seriously dude, why can't you just let this go? If people here on GFY want to donate to a worthy cause, why do you feel the need to knock it at every turn? Maybe they don't need the money for the kids surgery now, but I bet the money will make things a whole lot easier on them financially when it comes to all the missed work and travel expenses. That will make it much easier for the parents to concentrate on what's important...getting the kid the treatment that he needs.

I don't care if you donate a cent, Frank, that's your decision. But please quit trying to discourage those of us that want to help from doing something that we feel is right. I think by now everyone knows what the cash is going for, for God's sake, you've posted enough times that everyone should know. But guess what...people still want to help. You know what the says to me? That says that most people on here have a heart. Too bad you aren't one of them.

You dont have to give. But it looks your in big need of that money. So how much is it. My offer still stands.

Just pray your never ever the same situation and in need of money.

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Hes a bit short of cash.

It's pretty simple
If you want to donate-donate
If you don't-don't
No one is forcing anyone to give money to anything they're not comfortable with.

Situations change.

As I recall, it didn't take long for No Carrier to come to the boards to ask that all donations stop because the situation changed.

Those who wanted to continue to donate did. It was a personal and individual choice we made to tell No Carrier to keep the money.

His child's needs may go further than a bank loan, the help of family, if he has family to help....and what insurance and the medical system covers and doesn't cover.

Maybe the kid just needs a teddy bear. Maybe he'll need expensive special foods or equipment that isn't covered.

In the meantime, this is a two year old child who is being poked and prodded by scary doctors. He has a father who is feeling overwhelmed and who can blame him?



I don't understand why this has turned into such a mess.

Why is that?

I hope that never will happen but this stuff happens to a lot of people. But what are you trying to say?

Why??? Give me one good reason why i'm scum you faggot!

just to see through wich loops you will jump to get the money you need together. Its not just for the operation, there are a lot of secundary costs involved to. But my offer still stands.

True!!! Do the people that this pisses off have kids? If not, someday you may come to understand. If so, then ask for a refund, NC will probably be glad to give it.

You cant either give always or give never.That's depend on your personality.

Because you are trying to discourage well meaning...

Fuck it, nevermind. I'm through with you. It's stupid to argue with someone like you...so I'm done. You just want attention.

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It seems it is the same tight gfy retards who are fighting... again. If you dont want to donate. dont donate. If you do, then do.

I am happy selling my sig because No carrier is going to have a hard time over the next few months, maybe even years. and I feel my sig is worth $160. Im having a pretty big sales month, so I think I can spare a potental $160 for someone whos having a bad time.

Am I to assume that NoCarrier doesn't have health insurance? If so, why isn't the insurance company covering the cost of this? If not, I have to ask a simple question, try not to take offense..

WHO THE FUCK HAS KIDS AND NO HEALTH INSURANCE?!?!?!?

I want say you can always give when someone ask you for money or never give.Until today,i was always give money to anyone no matter does i know him good or not.Today one of my friends call me and ask me do i have money to lend.I told him i dont,and i lie.I simply lost toomuch money with lending and i simply dont want give/lend money no matter one cause.Ah and one more example,i was give 500$ for wireless equipement(strong antens and other)for one association and they now standing on roof and they are not active.I was simply conclude there is no more sense give money to anyone for any no matter which cause beacuse they can spend money for nothing or not return it.

Doubled post.

It hasn't turned into a mess at all. Donations were asked to stop, and instead to donate your sig for a month in the auction thread.


The "mess" appears to be made by those that have a grievance with NC receiving some money, initially from donations and now by a large auction taking place.

The current high bidder in the auction is from a someone whose child went through, and died, of the same. They will get my sig for a month. It costs me nothing to donate my sig for a month. The high bidder and eventual winner has their reasons. The money goes to help NC. The high bidder gets good sig placement and a good feel-good factor. Everyone wins. Nobody loses.

There are clearly noses that have been put out of joint by this, particularly the auction. Those noses shouldn't have been stuck in there in the first place.

fuck all the people who waste their time hating on someone because they are scared...

Nocarrier didnt ask for all this attention. A bunch of people started rallying the troops to help out once they found out the news..

Regardless of if the surgery is covered .. looking after a son with a brain tumour is EXPENSIVE . period end of story.. should everyone be prepared ? yes .. are they ? no . should everyone have a calm collected plan when they find out their son has a brain tumour and go about asking for help in the perfect way ? yes.. do they ? no..

Fact is its a scary thought process and nocarrier was clearly scared and worried for his son..

as with all donation threads. if you dont wanna give dont.. fuck this endless drama everytime someone has a problem..

That's the mess to which I refer....the noses out of joint.

A kid is sick. A concerned father asks for help. People decide to donate.

Father learns there is another alternative.

Requests donations stop.

People decide to give or not give. Or use sig to help auction or whatever.

Seems pretty simple to me.

Yet, thread after thread concerning this topic....continues.

I was writing a long post but deleted it and said fuck it, not worth getting into a debate again

good luck to your son NoCarrier, I hope your sons tumor will be healed since that's what matters the most here

Ok, I wanted to stay out of all this but with how far it is going I have to give my opinion. Needing money to help someone survive is one thing, needing money to pay bills afterwards is another. I don't know NoCarrier so I'm not going to bash him, but bro, when you make money, put a percentage aside for situations like this.

As for the auction, this was a very stupid idea. Do you all realize how many more people are going to start coming out with their personal problems asking for help? This just gave everyone the excuse to try. This means thats the amount of scammers are going to increase. If you DON'T offer to bid or offer your sig in other auctions, you will be considered heartless, racist, whatever, because you bid in one auction and not the other.

All in all, I'm sorry for your son NoCarrier, I hope he gets better, but you shouldn't have brought it to the board, there are always alternatives. This is going to cause significant changes in how GFY operates.

A donation by definition is given volantarily.

All the haters needed to do to make a point was not give anything. Why was all this shit neccicary?

Just people trying to grab thier 15 minutes.

What world are you living in? Get a reality check, man!

"Should have some money put away..." Yeah, right. If you have 10 or 15 grand put away for emergencies it won't get you shit for medical treatment. A brain surgeon won't even shake your hand for that.
My sister had a minor laproscopy and was in the hospital for two days, it costed about 9500 bucks. Brain surgery and treatment over months or years can easily run multiple six figures. Insurances may cover the surgery, but what about the other expenses?

You can easily put mony away if you are single. For families it's different. With gas as high as it is, exploding property taxes, homeowners insurance, and exploding healthcare costs, a normal family with kids can be glad to be able to get around without drifting into bankruptcy. When did you buy a can of formula last? It's 12 bucks and lasts 2 days.

If the family was living in France, England, Germany, or Canada they had nothing to worry about. While the rest of the civilized world gives free health insurance and free education to their citizens (I learned that when I was living in Europe) this country prefers to sink trillions of $ into the fucking desert sand in some foreign land to catch shitheads that weren't even there before the war. Oh, yeah, and establish democracy.

In the meantime Americans pay out of their asses for health care and are stuck with fishy 80:20 co-pay deals, if they even have insurance, because for a family of 4 even PPO costs about 500 bucks a month. Then it has a co-pay, a deductible, and doesn't cover much.

I really don't care it this family has some money left over after they go through all this, they deserve it. It is very sad that people have to ask for donations for a sick child.

My toughts:

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Just a bunch of assholes complaining about money they didnt donate en the first place.

They living in Canada :2 cents:

Financial Aid. In the U.S. it pays for most if not all of the doctor bill if you can prove you can't afford it. Look it up.

I don't see what the big fuss is. Yes, he will lose some work, so will she. Are people on GFY going to pay me for last week since I was sick the entire time?

I think even NoCarrier would admit he jumped the gun and made that thread without taking some time to fully assess what was going to be needed. Talking with your family, friends, church, bank etc... about possible financial obligations and fundraising opportunities sounds like the logical place to start, gfy seems like it should be a last resort. Obviously if he would have told everyone about his son's condition and that it was going to be covered there probably wouldn't have been as big of an outpouring of donations and the sig auction.

Having said that, what is done is done and there's no sense continuing to banter about where the donations are going and what should have been done. If you donated and feel like it was under false pretenses then talk to NoCarrier and I'm sure he'll refund it.