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GAMEFINEST 11-24-2006 11:36 PM

i rather have sex than waste time with that nonsense

Rochard 11-25-2006 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ronaldo (Post 10952547)
Dude, that's practically word for word Michael Moore's assessment of it in Farenheit 9/11. I think Moore raises some interesting questions in his movies, but you have to go beyond what he says and search for the other side of the argument and THEN decipher the truth. Believe it or not, Moore has an agenda too. (Some of the Bush/Middle East relationships are certainly disconcerting and further fuel the conspiracy theory, but SOME of them have been proven to be totally inaccurate datewise).

As for how Bush reacted? Should he have gone running from the room, arms flailing? He was in a room full of what, 7 year olds? While it doesn't look like his best moment, try seeing it from the OTHER side. He had a commitment to those children to act like the Commander in Chief and, like him or not (and I DON'T btw), he acted reasonably under the circumstances imo. After he got up to be briefed, the MEDIA started asking him questions in front of the children, who clearly had no idea what was going on. He showed a fuck of a lot more tact and concern for those children than the media did. HE told THEM that he'd discuss it in a few minutes. After being briefed, and presumably the children too, he came back and spoke to the nation. If anything, I think he showed a great deal of poise under extreme duress.

www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com is a movie I want to see, and I'd be curious to see your take on THAT.

Other than the fact he looked like a donkey that day, Bush did right. The President of the United States doesn't run out of a room as if his hair is on fire - and even more so if he's in a room full of school kids.

Everyone needs to keep in mind that none of us understood the impact that morning would have on us. At that exact moment I knew more about what was going at in NYC than Bush did.

Dirty Dane 11-25-2006 01:43 AM

Those conspiracy theories are all nonsense, because it would require and involve so many people that it would be impossible without a leak. Its like saying Pearl Harbor attack was a simulation x 100, because then they could nuke Japan.

d00t 11-25-2006 02:15 AM

the 9/11 conspiracies - ARE government conspiracies!!!! The Gov runs the conspiracies... don't you get it ????? That way they still control the population no matter what they believe!

macmark 11-25-2006 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 11388490)
Those conspiracy theories are all nonsense, because it would require and involve so many people that it would be impossible without a leak. Its like saying Pearl Harbor attack was a simulation x 100, because then they could nuke Japan.

But only the people at the very top need to know the whole situation. Since 9/11 many people you might consider involved have said many things which support an alternative conspiracy theory. Examples......

Bush himself said..."I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority"...whoops.

Bin Ladens FBI's most wanted page does not mention 9/11 once. When asked the FBI said they had no evidence Bin Laden was involved, hence the reason it is not mentioned.

When testifying to the 9/11 commission Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta said "I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?".....this statement was not mentioned in the 9/11 commission report once.

Larry Silverstein, owner of the WTC, said about WTC7: "I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse".......he later said by 'pull it' he meant get the fire fighters out of the building, even though none were ever in it.

Two men who worked in the ground zero clean up claimed to have personally escorted the FBI to the location of the black box flight recorders, yet none claimed to have been found. Strangely, they did manage to find one of the hijackers passports :-/

It's pretty easy to silence people, simply mention their family. If they know the US administration was involved then I'm sure they know what they are capable of. Also, perhaps it doesn't take as many people involved as you think.

Even if you disgard the demolition theory altogether there is enough evidence to suggest without any reasonable doubt that there was a HUGE cover up. I dunno how anyone can rationally disregard that.

Dirty Dane 11-26-2006 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by macmark (Post 11388568)
Bush himself said..."I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority"...whoops.

Taken out of context. The important thing was the network. And several of the leaders have been killed or taken. Laden is only the top of the iceberg.

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Originally Posted by macmark (Post 11388568)
Bin Ladens FBI's most wanted page does not mention 9/11 once. When asked the FBI said they had no evidence Bin Laden was involved, hence the reason it is not mentioned.

Wrong. On FBI's page it also says: "In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world" and Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association has put an reward on his capture.

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Originally Posted by macmark (Post 11388568)
Larry Silverstein, owner of the WTC, said about WTC7: "I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse".......he later said by 'pull it' he meant get the fire fighters out of the building, even though none were ever in it.

Just because he did not know how many firemen was in the building does not prove anything. He was not the fireman commander. And it was a situation of chaos.

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Originally Posted by macmark (Post 11388568)
Two men who worked in the ground zero clean up claimed to have personally escorted the FBI to the location of the black box flight recorders, yet none claimed to have been found. Strangely, they did manage to find one of the hijackers passports :-/

The recorders are not black, but orange.

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Originally Posted by macmark (Post 11388568)
It's pretty easy to silence people, simply mention their family. If they know the US administration was involved then I'm sure they know what they are capable of.

That is just speculations. What some are capable of does not prove anything.

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Originally Posted by macmark (Post 11388568)
Also, perhaps it doesn't take as many people involved as you think.

It would take ten thousands of people + a lot of corrupt experts afterwards, incl. those working for insurance companies?

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Originally Posted by macmark (Post 11388568)
Even if you disgard the demolition theory altogether there is enough evidence to suggest without any reasonable doubt that there was a HUGE cover up. I dunno how anyone can rationally disregard that.

Which evidences?

mingsmoker 11-26-2006 09:23 PM

it's NOT true....

thebossxxx 11-27-2006 12:02 AM

There would be too many people killed to keep their mouths shut if the conspiricies were all true..

macmark 12-01-2006 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 11398955)
Wrong. On FBI's page it also says: "In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world" and Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association has put an reward on his capture.

Meh, how am I wrong? I said 9/11 isn't mentioned and it isn't. Ergo, not wrong.


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The recorders are not black, but orange.
Jeez, are you for real? I thought pretty much everyone who know planes exist know they have flight recorders known as 'black boxes'. Yes, they are orange in color but they are known as black boxes. Look it up.


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Which evidences?
Seriously, if you're asking what evidence exists of a cover up then I assume you can't know much about it. Read the Commission Report, it's right there bold as brass.

I'm not saying I believe any particular alternative theory, but I certainly don't buy the official one.

They said the needed a new Pearl Harbour(PNAC), they got one and now they think they can do pretty much whatever they want on the back of it. Who benefits, the oil and defense contractors who want to stay in Iraq for as long as possible. War is good.

btw, I know you can do a lot of myth debunking, and again debunking those debunkings and we could all argue forever but one of the things that no-one has ever been able to explain is that fact that one of the passengers of Flight 93 made a *13 minute* cell phone call to his wife from above 29,000ft(FAA). Something many experts have said is IMPOSSIBLE, from that height, at that speed, in 2001 when no such technology was in place.

Not one of the myth busting sites can explain this one. :thumbsup


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