| StuBradley |
09-28-2006 07:01 PM |
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Originally Posted by ObnoxiousBitch
Popular Mechanics 3/2005
"Debunking the 9/11 Myths"
Still can't post real links, but here:
popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
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Okay, I figured I would take the time to check this out since I had heard this article mentioned in the past (but I had not seen the link). I get to the third page of the article and I see this:
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Originally Posted by popularmechanics.com
Intercepts Not Routine
CLAIM: "It has been standard operating procedures for decades to immediately intercept off-course planes that do not respond to communications from air traffic controllers," says the Web site oilempire.us. "When the Air Force 'scrambles' a fighter plane to intercept, they usually reach the plane in question in minutes."
FACT: In the decade before 9/11, NORAD intercepted only one civilian plane over North America: golfer Payne Stewart's Learjet, in October 1999. With passengers and crew unconscious from cabin decompression, the plane lost radio contact but remained in transponder contact until it crashed. Even so, it took an F-16 1 hour and 22 minutes to reach the stricken jet.
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Now I know this is total BS. It's not even close. It IS standard procedure to scramble jets when a comercial plane stops responding. As for Payne Stewarts plane it was only 16 minutes from the time they lost radio contact until the military jets had caught up with the plane. Here is the actual accident brief from the NTSB:
http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/aab0001.htm
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Originally Posted by ObnoxiousBitch
According to ATC radio transmissions, the flight departed MCO about 0919 EDT bound for DAL. At 0921:46 EDT, the flight contacted the Jacksonville Air Route Traffic Control Center (ARTCC) and reported climbing through an altitude of 9,500 feet to 14,000 feet.3
At 0921:51 EDT, the controller instructed N47BA to climb and maintain FL 260. N47BA acknowledged the clearance by stating, "two six zero bravo alpha." At 0923:16 EDT, the controller cleared N47BA direct to Cross City and then direct to DAL. N47BA acknowledged the clearance. At 0926:48 EDT, N47BA was issued instructions to change radio frequency and contact another Jacksonville ARTCC controller. N47BA acknowledged the frequency change.
At 0927:10 EDT, N47BA called the Jacksonville ARTCC controller and stated that the flight was climbing through an altitude of FL 230. At 0927:13 EDT, the controller instructed N47BA to climb and maintain FL 390. At 0927:18 EDT, N47BA acknowledged the clearance by stating, "three nine zero bravo alpha." This was the last known radio transmission from the airplane.4 The sound of the cabin altitude aural warning5 was not heard on the ATC recording of this transmission.6
At 0933:38 EDT (6 minutes and 20 seconds after N47BA acknowledged the previous clearance), the controller instructed N47BA to change radio frequencies and contact another Jacksonville ARTCC controller. The controller received no response from N47BA. The controller called the flight five more times over the next 4 1/2 minutes but received no response.
About 0952 CDT,7 a USAF F-16 test pilot from the 40th Flight Test Squadron at Eglin Air Force Base (AFB), Florida, was vectored to within 8 nm of N47BA.8 About 0954 CDT, at a range of 2,000 feet from the accident airplane and an altitude of about 46,400 feet,9 the test pilot made two radio calls to N47BA but did not receive a response. About 1000 CDT, the test pilot began a visual inspection of N47BA. There was no visible damage to the airplane, and he did not see ice accumulation on the exterior of the airplane.
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So where did Popular Mechanics get their information on this stuff. It obviously wasn't from very reliable sources.
As for 'consiracy theories' I generally laugh at them. I am usually with 12clicks and the gang posting pictures of nerds in tinfoil hats. But there is something wrong with the way the towers fell.
Although I did not get a degree, I did study structural engineering at NDSU for a few years (on an academic scholarship from a building association in MN). I can say with everything that I have learned that those towers would have withstood a lot worse than what happened on September 11th.
And THEN there is WTC Building 7. Not even the 9-11 comission would touch this one. The building has two small fires burning in one corner and then it magically (and quite symetrically) implodes into dust from the roof down.
Please let me say that I do NOT think the goverment planned this. But the fact that they did not want to investigate the biggest crime (terrorism is a crime) in our country's history makes you wonder who they are protecting.
When a jetliner crashes killing 127 people on board, the scene is usually disected and the pieces are studied carefully for 4 or 5 years so that we can find out what went wrong and maybe prevent if from happening again. But when a skyscraper crumbles to the ground (twice in one day) after being hit by a plane shouldn't we comb through the debris to find out why the building failed structurally? Wouldn't this information be extremely valuable (priceless actually) to the engineering comunity? But they couldn't get the debris out of there fast enough.
Like I said, I am not a conspiracy theory kind of guy. But when something is so obvious just makes you think. Actually it makes me sick to my stomach. |
