Domains deleted because of obscene content?! - GoFuckYourself.com

Konda · 09-25-2006, 09:32 AM

So a friend of me from Denmark has over 200 domains registered with DirectNic. This weekend suddenly all his domains were placed on hold, without any warning. He mailed them to ask what's up, and this is what they replied:

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We have determined that your domains are illegal under US federal law [U.S. v. Extreme Associates, Inc., 431 F.3d 150 C.A.3 (Pa.),2005. December 08, 2005 (Approx. 12 pages)]and the state laws of a majority of the states of the Union, including Louisiana and Virginia.

Since when can domains be illegal? I know content can be illegal/obscene, but I always thought that as long as you host it in a country where it's legal, it shouldn't be a problem?

Most of his domains were .com and .net domains (scat, rape, beast, etc.). I know this stuff is not legal in the US, but still, can a domain registry just take your domains like that?

baddog · 09-25-2006, 09:33 AM

guess that is what he gets for thinking

Martin3 · 09-25-2006, 09:35 AM

scat, rape, beast sites on a US anything is bad jojo

gooddomains · 09-25-2006, 09:37 AM

that is a new one....

KingK7 · 09-25-2006, 09:37 AM

How the fuck can a DOMAIN be illegal?
Content, fine, but a domain??

Damian_Maxcash · 09-25-2006, 09:41 AM

Id say it was more to do with registry policy than legality.

If they do insist thats a legal issue he could kick up a stink - its a big debate at the moment.

BoyAlley · 09-25-2006, 09:44 AM

Wow, I've never heard of such a thing being done?

The thought of registrars being able to arbitrarily being able to axe your domains is a scary one!

In some parts of the world, "gay" conduct is considered illegal. I certainly wouldn't want those countries having a say in what domains I can own.

Wow.

scottybuzz · 09-25-2006, 09:46 AM

im all for registars doing that.

cool1 · 09-25-2006, 09:47 AM

That is pretty shitty of them
Could make one worried, but then if one has nothing that could be deemed illegal then one has nothing really to worry about.

SomeCreep · 09-25-2006, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Konda

So a friend of me from Denmark has over 200 domains registered with DirectNic. This weekend suddenly all his domains were placed on hold, without any warning. He mailed them to ask what's up, and this is what they replied:

Since when can domains be illegal? I know content can be illegal/obscene, but I always thought that as long as you host it in a country where it's legal, it shouldn't be a problem?

Most of his domains were .com and .net domains (scat, rape, beast, etc.). I know this stuff is not legal in the US, but still, can a domain registry just take your domains like that?

Read Directnic's TOS/AUP. You'll find Directnic, as well as most registrars reserve the right to suspend questionable/offensive domains, especially if those domains contain illegal content. Basically, those domains are making Directnic look bad.

Bossman · 09-25-2006, 09:49 AM

Did he have related content on those domains?

Lee · 09-25-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

im all for registars doing that.

Its a horrendously dangerous precedent IMO.

Z · 09-25-2006, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee

Its a horrendously dangerous precedent IMO.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

But it also backs up what I was thinking about registrars too. As powerful as they are, they seem to be powerless in the face of US bullshit.

I love Moniker, I just wish they were offshore somewhere.

Damian_Maxcash · 09-25-2006, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

im all for registars doing that.

None of like Rape sites but it shouldnt be a private company that is policing it - esp across international borders.

What if someone from DirectNic looking at one of my sites dosnt like Ginger Pubes?

If it was DirectNic policy as stated in terms then thats fine - but if they are doing it because they are enforcing US law on a non-US entity then they need to be taught a lesson.

Peaches · 09-25-2006, 10:13 AM

Interesting. I know a self pronounced big playa that has beast and lolita in some of their URLs. I wonder if their registrar and hosting company will take the same steps?

SmokeyTheBear · 09-25-2006, 10:13 AM

i dont think thats cool at all. i understand directnic reluctance to want to be associated with such sites , but its a tough cookie

for the record im not a domain guru and dont have any "questionable" domain names but i still think this is a shitty situation..

If the domain NAME itself is questionable , it shouldnt have been able to have been registered in the first place thru filters to deny purchase of domains with banned words...

Im curious as to what directnic does with these domains.. are the just locked so he has to transfer them or did they seize them or what ?

Im a directnic fan and have quite a few domains registered there. have always been a fan of their service and dont mind paying the extra price for good service, but i dont like hearing stories like this ..

JD · 09-25-2006, 10:13 AM

wow...that sucks....Is DirectNIC a us based company? Maybe they caught some heat from the domains?

RawAlex · 09-25-2006, 10:16 AM

You guys are reading it backwards here. Directnic is a US entity, and they are bound by the laws of the US. Providing domains for illegal material (such as scat or bestiality) could put them in the shitter legally, regardless of where it is hosted. They would be aiding the distribution of this material.

I don't like it, but they may have little choice.

Hereis the important question: WHAT WAS ON THOSE DOMAINS?

SmokeyTheBear · 09-25-2006, 10:16 AM

im also curious as to hear if the domains are associated with the content or not at all...

like if i registered a site called "fuck-the-donkey-dick.com , and it was just a site about girls fucking guys with big dicks is this o.k. or not o.k.

SmokeyTheBear · 09-25-2006, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

You guys are reading it backwards here. Directnic is a US entity, and they are bound by the laws of the US. Providing domains for illegal material (such as scat or bestiality) could put them in the shitter legally, regardless of where it is hosted. They would be aiding the distribution of this material.

I don't like it, but they may have little choice.

Hereis the important question: WHAT WAS ON THOSE DOMAINS?

what laws are you referring to specifically ? i have never heard any laws that ban names ?

PlugRush Sascha · 09-25-2006, 10:19 AM

Well... that sucks.

DutchTeenCash · 09-25-2006, 10:20 AM

so they were just parked names?

hmm still I can imagine some names not being that welcome but ban I wonder what law would OK that

WarChild · 09-25-2006, 10:22 AM

You're surprised that a reigstrar based in the United States has to follow US laws? Are you guys serious?

Off shore businesses and off shore hosting is fine, but you'll need an offshore registrar. Use your heads people.

Damian_Maxcash · 09-25-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

You guys are reading it backwards here. Directnic is a US entity, and they are bound by the laws of the US. Providing domains for illegal material (such as scat or bestiality) could put them in the shitter legally, regardless of where it is hosted. They would be aiding the distribution of this material.

I don't like it, but they may have little choice.

Hereis the important question: WHAT WAS ON THOSE DOMAINS?

It dosnt matter - you can call a site what you like, so no US law was broken - The content is a seperate issue, and has nothing to do with US laws at all as (we assume) it wasnt hosted in the US.

fris · 09-25-2006, 10:23 AM

thats a first i heard of it.

Damian_Maxcash · 09-25-2006, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

You're surprised that a reigstrar based in the United States has to follow US laws? Are you guys serious?

Off shore businesses and off shore hosting is fine, but you'll need an offshore registrar. Use your heads people.

Its already been asked - what US law was broken actually in the US?

After Shock Media · 09-25-2006, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

what laws are you referring to specifically ? i have never heard any laws that ban names ?

I think he was just implying that directnic falls under US law, which is true.

However there is no law prohibiting any given names. Sort of covered by freedom of speech and all.

Directnic more than likely has a policy that allows them to delete such a domain. Though I would doubt it is legal. They could legally force you to change registrars, etc. Though they would not be able to sell you something, then take it away stating they do not approve of it. Then again they could but one would need to fight them over it. At least that is what I think.

Konda · 09-25-2006, 10:30 AM

There was actual obscene content on some of these domains (tgp's etc), others just forwarded to sponsors.

I am against most of the content, but still, what's next... What if you run gay sites, and gay porn becomes illegal in the state where your registar is located? They can just take away your domains?

It's just scary to see these things happen.

lound · 09-25-2006, 10:30 AM

I know the guy as well, the domains did contain bestiality content - but he's been with them for 3 years so they most have known which type domains he had, just shutting them down without any notice and after that - not provide any explanation for 4 days is just insane.

I would never recommend them again

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TheSwed · 09-25-2006, 10:34 AM

Bestiality is legal in Denmark

WarChild · 09-25-2006, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

Its already been asked - what US law was broken actually in the US?

Everything you need is in the first post. Apparently, in the minds of the legal department at Directnic, [U.S. v. Extreme Associates, Inc., 431 F.3d 150 C.A.3 (Pa.),2005. December 08, 2005 (Approx. 12 pages)] decision either upholds some law or perhaps sets a precedent. Go read it if you're interested.

I was't actually speaking about a specific law in this case, I was more addressing comments like

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Originally Posted by Mystery Man

Last I checked .com and .net was under international laws and not us. like the .us extension.

As for everyone jumping to the conclusion that the domain name was the problem, did you even read the original post? Look at the title:

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Domains deleted because of obscene content?!

Pleasurepays · 09-25-2006, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

It dosnt matter - you can call a site what you like, so no US law was broken - The content is a seperate issue, and has nothing to do with US laws at all as (we assume) it wasnt hosted in the US.

jesus... you people are dumber than a box of fucking rocks. since every fucking question was answered in the first post... it would seem logical to just read the federal law that was cited and the applicable state law, before unilaterally declaring people guilty or innocent.

Directnic is a company founded by people from porn. its not like they are ran by Jerry Fallwell or something. if some guy had a domain www.teens-eating-each-others-shit.com and they deleted it... i think there is an argument for it.

however, since a URL has not be produced, i would assume the crew at DirectNic is doing the right thing.

lound · 09-25-2006, 11:00 AM

Just heard that directnic came with a constructive response so he'll be able to transfer them to another registrar, guess most of the delay was due to bad timing with the weekend and all that.

After Shock Media · 09-25-2006, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by lound

Just heard that directnic came with a constructive response so he'll be able to transfer them to another registrar, guess most of the delay was due to bad timing with the weekend and all that.

Figured so much, hence my first post.

fallenmuffin · 09-25-2006, 11:06 AM

Yeah, it's the register ToS...man that is scary though

Damian_Maxcash · 09-25-2006, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

jesus... you people are dumber than a box of fucking rocks. since every fucking question was answered in the first post... it would seem logical to just read the federal law that was cited and the applicable state law, before unilaterally declaring people guilty or innocent.

Directnic is a company founded by people from porn. its not like they are ran by Jerry Fallwell or something. if some guy had a domain www.teens-eating-each-others-shit.com and they deleted it... i think there is an argument for it.

however, since a URL has not be produced, i would assume the crew at DirectNic is doing the right thing.

I cant find the PDF on Google - anyone got it?

I would be suprised if there is anything that says a domain name in itself can be illegal - surely its protected by the constitution?

Actually, come to think of it I wouldnt be suprised

Pleasurepays · 09-25-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

I cant find the PDF on Google - anyone got it?

I would be suprised if there is anything that says a domain name in itself can be illegal - surely its protected by the constitution?

Actually, come to think of it I wouldnt be suprised

its about obscenity laws in the US and State of Louisianna.
not "sorry, this domain is illegal"

case law was cited and its in their TOS, so i dont think there is much to discuss since opinions and conjecture are quite irrelevant to the facts.

DutchTeenCash · 09-25-2006, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Konda

There was actual obscene content on some of these domains (tgp's etc), others just forwarded to sponsors.

I am against most of the content, but still, what's next... What if you run gay sites, and gay porn becomes illegal in the state where your registar is located? They can just take away your domains?

It's just scary to see these things happen.

ok there was content - different story

Lee · 09-25-2006, 11:19 AM

At least he has the opportunity to transfer them away.

squishypimp · 09-25-2006, 11:20 AM

this is unfortunate to hear as it looks like censorship is going to be coming on stronger.

Damian_Maxcash · 09-25-2006, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

its about obscenity laws in the US and State of Louisianna.
not "sorry, this domain is illegal"

case law was cited and its in their TOS, so i dont think there is much to discuss since opinions and conjecture are quite irrelevant to the facts.

I said at the begining that if it was in the TOS then there was nothing to answer.

chaze · 09-25-2006, 11:30 AM

News to me, I guess we better facter in this from now on.

Dirty Dane · 09-25-2006, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by damian2001

I would be suprised if there is anything that says a domain name in itself can be illegal - surely its protected by the constitution?

Actually, come to think of it I wouldnt be suprised

Actually, there is a law about domain names misleading surfers into viewing obscenity or misleading minors into viewing porn:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...2---B000-.html

I dont know the domain names regarding this case, but somehow he obviously violated their TOS with putting that content on his sites.
I also think there is more behind this story, maybe some law enforcement put pressure on the registrar or they got complains.

EZRhino · 09-25-2006, 12:00 PM

You would think they would at least give him a chance to move his domains.

MetaMan · 09-25-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

im all for registars doing that.

are you kidding me?
lets also lock up everyone in from a certain race that commit the most crimes.

you cannot ban things based on what you "think" things will be used for. if you are not breaking the law how they should not be able to ban you.

Fabien · 09-25-2006, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

im all for registars doing that.

You're saying you're happy with that ??????????

Are fucking out of your mind ?????????

Don't you think ???????

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Can't beleive it

Fabien · 09-25-2006, 01:15 PM

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XPays · 09-25-2006, 01:18 PM

registrars get sued many times along with the the registrant when a suit is filed. it seems logical that a u.s. based registrar would look to drop customers who put them at great risk.

Fabien · 09-25-2006, 01:27 PM

Ok now, which registrars arent' US based, this is fucking insane !

What's next ?

Forcedfantasysex.com
Ilikewhenyoupeeonme.com
Gaysex.com
Fuckmyass.com
Cumonmyface.com
Bigtitswomen.com
Sexisonlyforadults.com
Findasexpartner.com
Jesuslovesya.com
??????????????????????????????????

This is fucking insane

borked · 09-25-2006, 01:34 PM

If they don't agree to such objectionable names, why do they let you register them in the first place?

Take your money, yeah. Then Hold them.

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