Im happy to live in a country where i know its very unlikely that the person standing next to me has a gun on him.

You people scare me...seriously.

The only reason you have a gun to protect yourself is because you know the person you might have to protect yourself from also has a gun. Isnt that totally fucked up?

It is fucked up. You adapt to the world you live in.

Free country my ass. How free am I if I want to be a prostitute or smoke a joint, for example? No choice there. In some States a man fucking a man up the ass is a felony. Being topless on the beach is a crime in most parts of this free country. What about abortion?
Oh yes, I forgot, we are pro life, at least as long as it is unborn life. What about born life, means, our guys who bite the dust in the fucking desert right now.

As I said, I am not for guncontrol either, but what really sucks is that whenever someone in this country brings up things like free healthcare or guncontrol, or free education, another one throws in the words "socialist" or "communist".

What's communist if a woman can deliver a baby in a hospital without being billed to death by greedy scumbag doctors after? What's communist if a country choses to limit assault weapons, means weapons that have no other use than killing as many people as possible in a short amount of time?

Jenny is a smart little one.

I do not like our socialist regime because of so many things they are doing wrong, but still i value our right to free school, free hospital, free speech and no crazy ass big guns.

But i think we actually have come to a conclusion. As Anthony and pr0 are saying they adapt to the world they live in. The USA government / constitution has given them no other choice but to arm themselves.

well duuuuuhhhhhh

And also i forgot to mention, i value our prison sentances. They might often be unfair. But our longest sentance is 21 years in prison.


And for people that need an explanation:
I think that one of the greatest threats to democracy is life sentance. Just imagine how "easy" it is to put away someone simply because he is an inconvenience.

The mafia could pay their way OUT of a sentance, i'm sure certain people can pay (or fabricate evidence) to get someone convicted.

You think the number of firearms decreased all those years before that? :1orglaugh

Another clear cut example of how groups will manipulate data to whichever way best presents their argument. :)

Keep basing your perception of reality on TV shows. That's all I can say. :1orglaugh

this thread is KILLER

You are way way off in left field. Criminals you'll never see? :1orglaugh

Franck and you other ridiculous outsiders looking in, you don't take into consideration a lot of variables when coming to your retarded conclusions.

I won't say anymore for now, I have some work to do but read this without your obvious bias and get a clue.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Pfft, we took those pics for this thread last night to get the rabid antigun nuts out and posting.

Thank you for playing!

:1orglaugh

Stats please.

Then, put the stats next too people who get cut while using knives.

Thanks.

You know, also i always hate putting this out there, because most people just think i am crazy. However, one of the main reasons we have a second amendment is not only for protection from other people, but from the government.

The founding fathers of this country realized how important it was to allow the people to have the ability, if needed, to overthrow their government.

Then what are you waiting for? If that is the reason why you have guns then you have my appologies. Now is the time to do the overthrowing though. I do not think you will get a better example (administration) when you should do it.

But read your post again and see how stupid it is. "Everyone should have a gun so that they can overthrow the government if they want" Imagine all the factions, the bloodbath... jeasus.

Smack, that wasn't directed as you.

Might be that the founding fathers had this smart idea. But it doesn't work anymore. We have to change as time changes.

Gun ownership is garunteed in the US Constitution not for protection from each other but protection from an out of control government that is no longer working in the best interest of the people or an invading army like say Nazi Germany. Thus far those two goals have been accomplished.

why do dutch and french people seem to get involved in every argument and are always annoying as fuck when doing so?

riiiiiiight.
and that happens every second of everyday in every town across the country. good point. guns cause psychotic idiots. and if they didnt have a gun they wouldn't be psychotic idiots.


i think these gun arguments are 100% retarded. first and foremost... i dont give a fuck who has a gun or if people are not allowed to have guns at all. for all i care, they can be banned tomorrow and i think i will still wake up and have my normal breakfast, get my normal work done.. spend the normal amount of time with my wife and keep doing all the things i normally do.

i DON'T believe the constitution gives anyone the right to own a gun. believe it or not dickheads, you are not a "well organized militia". "right to bear arms" doesn't mean you should carry a pistol in your pocket while wandering down the street or into a supermarket. and try to get this through your thick fucking skull... this is the year 2006... not 1776. this isn't the wild west... this isn't the new frontier anymore. its just another well deloped country. if you are so fucking completely out of your mind that you think that you need a personal weapon in the year 2006 because you are afraid of your government or because you think that somehow your meaninglesss, inbred, toothless, hillbilly existence is what is keeping the worlds most powerful, well funded and advanced military from vaporizing you from outerspace... then you should be in police custody anyway and you should be sterilized. the world has enough problems without dickheads like you incessantly babbling on about crop circles and alien abductions.

I grew up with a family that was a bunch of card carrying IRA idiots. The American Rifleman (which all members get) is one of the scariest pieces of propaganda i have ever read and i have spent 10 years in Eastern Europe. The arguments are weak and they are fucking lunatics. When you are reduced to arguing that amor piercing, "cop killing" bullets should be legal for ... for.... uhm.... well, for deer hunting... then you need to be taken into custody, deprogrammed, sterilized and placed under observation (for you own safety more than anything)

i come from a family of professional hunters and even though i used to own a ton of guns when i was young, growing up in alaska, i dont really see a point to it.

that being said... a person from another country can argue for ever and point fingers and assess blame and so on... but all the aguements don't acknowledge, one single, fundamental fact... there are cultural issues that determine violence and the level of violence in a society. having a gun or not having a gun does not. when Crack cocaine hit the streets in the late 80's and everything went sideways... the killings and gang fights and constant shootings IN THOSE FEW BAD AREAS would not have stopped. but then again... there is no way to prove that, just as there is no way it would have happened regardless of gun laws.

I know 1 person that has a concealed weapons permit and i am related him. He doesn't carry the gun with him.

So some of you stupid fucking idiot foreigners need to stop acting like every 3rd person in the USA is walking down the street has an Uzi under their jacket. Some people own guns that they have in their home for protection. Most people do not. I am sure some areas have many times more than others.
Turn off the micheal moore "documentaries", step away from the hate machine you call a television... you know, that thing that tells you all sides of a story and yet you insist on believing the side the supports your world view while you ignore the other.

also, please STOP comparing your fucking tiny, irrelevant, socialist country which has a population smaller than California and an economy several times that of California to a nation of 300,000,000 with many times the socio-economic diversity of yours to the USA. there are no comparison on any level whether its on economic, social issues, crime or anything else.

:2 cents:


that is all.

carry on.

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yeah... my thoughts exactly.

someone please tag that person so that he can be collected and taken to a government sterilization center.

the day he thinks he is actually going to get into a military gun battle (and actually thinks he can win) and have to shoot his own sons and daughters and friends and family serving in the US military in CatFart Illinois, is the day my "out of control government" has my permission to sneak up behind him and fulfill his own prophecy with a .22 bullet in the back of his head.

someone needs to go back to their Halo2 tournaments, Renaissance fairs, Dungeons and Dragons conventions and Civil War Reinactments while the adults run the world.

That's ridiculous.
Say civilians are allowed to own firearms and actually use them and the media stops lying to them about guns, the bad civilians end up dead and out of the way because the good civilians kill the bad ones. See.
And the bad ones who survive- they are scared and afraid of the good people again just as they should be.

The "bad guy" will shoot the police officer to get away
You're a complete.. what would you say about an idiot,, you're a twit

QUOTE-England
The question is, if you were robbed, would you want to be carrying a gun? The outcome might be that someone dies. Instead of just losing some worldy goods you could be without anyway. Solve it later.

If someone attacks you, why? This is the most tricky one, there might be people after you because of your beliefs etc. This is a debate in itself and does not apply to most people. Really if you have to be worried about being attacked on the streets for no reason that is a problem for the country to solve.

That same shit happens in your country and every other country and alot of you like to cover it up so YOU, the PEOPLE, have NO IDEA what is going on. If you want to solve the problem work on solving BEING HUMAN you mental case you. If you're too dumb to believe in defending things you've worked for at least believe in defending yourself and your loved ones

But seriously Anthony this is a very long debate. I think i have seen like 5 of these and i only visit gfy every now and then.

But to end this post, i am a hunter, i got rifles and shotguns. Got them locked up, shells in a different place far from the guns. If i were robbed i would have no way to get them. These weapons are made for hunting animals. Unlike AK47's and all that shit you for some mad reason are allowed to be in posession of in many US states.

So you believe that you need a babysitter to tell you what you can or can't have. Like a toddler who is not allowed to use fire. That shows your stupidity more than any of the other ridiculous shit you've spewed

So i am not saying no guns. I am saying guns meant for killing people should only be carried by police and army personel.

Great idea, that way the police will be ambushed and killed just because the criminals want their guns. As an added bonus the police won't be able to protect you from anything more than a treed cat

Its about the gun mentality. If you got guns that kill people, you grow up with them, you should be wondering.

Realise and admit being human or keep playing with yourself. As a human being, you have to be as intelligent as other humans who inevitably want to kill you and take from you. Period.

2 totally different things. You cant avoid using knives, its an every day tool, guns however arent and accidents with guns can be stopped by not allowing guns.

Hard to understand i know.

Whats your next argument? Accidents with forks happen?

What retarded conclusions? That i live in a country where we are safe from guns? Yeah thats sooo retarded. I cant believe how retarded that is. Thats like the most retarded thing ever.

No guns here and we dont need them...how retarded can it get.

The chance of someone entering my home is "basically zero" here in the states. I have a .357 here on my desk. If someone ever enters here with intent to cause harm and take from me, I will use my .357 to stop them.

You know alot of people play the lottery, they probably will not win but they play, well I probably won't need my guns... but if my number ever comes up I damned sure want to be sure I bought my ticket.

Children and Gun Violence
In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)

I wonder how many died because of guns in Holland.

I *think* a little less.

You're an ignorant clown.
As it stands any man or midsize animal who decided to take you and your wife and children would have no trouble doing so. All some clown needs is a steak knife or good fists and you're doomed.

But you won't learn until it is too late. Fools like you learn their lesson about a minute before someone stabs or shoots them to death.

car accidents can be avoided by not driving
getting struck by lightnening can be avoided by not going outside
choking deaths from food can be avoided by not eating
drunk driving accidents (how my mother was killed) can be avoided by banning alcohol and cars

the bottom line is that accidents are accidents. you don't take away peoples freedoms because of accidents.

FACT: While handguns account for only one-third of all firearms owned in the United States, they account for more than two-thirds of all firearm-related deaths each year. A gun in the home is 4 times more likely to be involved in an unintentional shooting, 7 times more likely to be used to commit a criminal assault or homicide, and 11 times more likely to be used to attempt or commit suicide than to be used in self-defense.

Cars are needed in society. Guns arent. Cars are made to drive, guns are made to kill.

Stop comparing to TOTALLY different things, its pathetic.

i wonder how the population of holland compares to the population of the USA? i think it could be argued that you don't think at all. ;)

why do you care? you don't see Americans making arguments against dykes in holland because kids drown in canals. most people have better things to worry about than what is going on in another country on the other side of the planet.

This fuckball you're trying to explain life to, he thinks if he is in the right area everything is rainbows and fucking butterflies. Bad things only happen in bad places if you ask him- right up to the day his ridiculous ass is robbed and killed in a "good area of town"

PS: From the sounds of things I don't even know if my .357 would stop you unless I got a good head shot and I'd be scared half to death :)
I think I would be fine so long as I had the shotgun handy but the .357 might just make you mad :winkwink:

Answer me this please:

Whats more likely to happen and more dangerous. The Dutch government suddenly allowing guns and every other person walking around with a gun and getting in a (accidental or not) gun fight.

or

Someone entering my house with a knife

Tell me...

Per 1000 people. Per million people, whatever you want :1orglaugh

Same thing and you know it.

People don't walk around with guns here.
I've been to almost every state I've been all over the country and I've only seen 2-3 civilians ever carrying guns.. I've never witnessed a shooting I have witnessed a stabbing but never a shooting.

You know nothing, you watch too much TV and you're an idiot.

yet you compare your tiny, 1/2 submerged, statistically irrelevant country to the USA as if it is a rational comparison.

Can you image if that clown had a gun. My chances of survival would be even smaller.

Oh whoops, you forgot about that didnt you?