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Well Dunn 09-24-2006 01:42 AM

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spasmo 09-24-2006 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by England
You know this simply means the US are too late? When things really go wrong (bad economy etc) i think you would have appreciated less guns in your country.

Now basically you will tell me there will always be guns and when that guy with a gun comes after you, you want to have a gun to protect yourself. Well, if you got a gun in a strained situation you are likely to be the bad guy yourself.

That's a bit short-sighted. If I ever have to pull my gun it would be in my house. If there's another person in my house with a gun pointed at me I most certainly would not be the bad guy for protecting myself.

Injecting a little common sense into your anti-gun fervor is not necessarily a bad thing. Think on your own for a change.

What would you do? Put your hands in front of your face and die knowing you were "right"?

:2 cents:

pr0 09-24-2006 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by websiex
Can go slippery slope the other way too though: All weapons are allowed to be owned.

Day #1-3 - Civilians have access to all weapons available for sale by private business or government entities.

Day #3-15 - Terrorists, funded by organization money buy heavy firearms. Nuclear weapons are available and not regulated.

Days Ahead - Nuclear bombs are detonated in major US cities.

you sir....are a retard :1orglaugh

i'm out of this discussion.....you guys have all been brainwashed

England 09-24-2006 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spasmo
That's a bit short-sighted. If I ever have to pull my gun it would be in my house. If there's another person in my house with a gun pointed at me I most certainly would not be the bad guy for protecting myself.

Injecting a little common sense into your anti-gun fervor is not necessarily a bad thing. Think on your own for a change.

What would you do? Put your hands in front of your face and die knowing you were "right"?

:2 cents:

Ofcourse i would shoot if someone entered my house and i knew the fucker was going to kill me. But, and listen to this. In Norway we got very strickt gun laws. Police are not even allowed to carry guns unless they are issued because of some really bad situation. This is something most people will not understand. Its because if the bad guys know the police are armed they are more likely to shoot. If the police got no weapons why the hell should they shoot them. Same thing goes for when someone robs a house, if they know people aren't gun touting loons they won't be shooting the first thing that moves.

Better to solve the grand larceny later than clean up murder.

Anthony 09-24-2006 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by England
Ofcourse i would shoot if someone entered my house and i knew the fucker was going to kill me. But, and listen to this. In Norway we got very strickt gun laws. Police are not even allowed to carry guns unless they are issued because of some really bad situation. This is something most people will not understand. Its because if the bad guys know the police are armed they are more likely to shoot. If the police got no weapons why the hell should they shoot them. Same thing goes for when someone robs a house, if they know people aren't gun touting loons they won't be shooting the first thing that moves.

Better to solve the grand larceny later than clean up murder.

So, let me get this right.

In your country, the criminals care so much for other people when they steal, attack, rape, etc of their fellow countrymen, that if they carry a gun, they won't shoot or use it?

England 09-24-2006 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony
So, let me get this right.

In your country, the criminals care so much for other people when they steal, attack, rape, etc of their fellow countrymen, that if they carry a gun, they won't shoot or use it?

The question is, if you were robbed, would you want to be carrying a gun? The outcome might be that someone dies. Instead of just losing some worldy goods you could be without anyway. Solve it later.

If someone attacks you, why? This is the most tricky one, there might be people after you because of your beliefs etc. This is a debate in itself and does not apply to most people. Really if you have to be worried about being attacked on the streets for no reason that is a problem for the country to solve.

But seriously Anthony this is a very long debate. I think i have seen like 5 of these and i only visit gfy every now and then.

But to end this post, i am a hunter, i got rifles and shotguns. Got them locked up, shells in a different place far from the guns. If i were robbed i would have no way to get them. These weapons are made for hunting animals. Unlike AK47's and all that shit you for some mad reason are allowed to be in posession of in many US states.

So i am not saying no guns. I am saying guns meant for killing people should only be carried by police and army personel.

Its about the gun mentality. If you got guns that kill people, you grow up with them, you should be wondering.

pr0 09-24-2006 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by England
The question is, if you were robbed, would you want to be carrying a gun? The outcome might be that someone dies. Instead of just losing some worldy goods you could be without anyway. Solve it later.

If someone attacks you, why? This is the most tricky one, there might be people after you because of your beliefs etc. This is a debate in itself and does not apply to most people. Really if you have to be worried about being attacked on the streets for no reason that is a problem for the country to solve.

But seriously Anthony this is a very long debate. I think i have seen like 5 of these and i only visit gfy every now and then.

But to end this post, i am a hunter, i got rifles and shotguns. Got them locked up, shells in a different place far from the guns. If i were robbed i would have no way to get them. These weapons are made for hunting animals. Unlike AK47's and all that shit you for some mad reason are allowed to be in posession of in many US states.

So i am not saying no guns. I am saying guns meant for killing people should only be carried by police and army personel.

Its about the gun mentality. If you got guns that kill people, you grow up with them, you should be wondering.

Your kings & queens started the whole gun owning thing here in America.

Nuff said....goto sleep bitch

Dirty F 09-24-2006 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by spunkmaster
US Swimming Pool deaths since 1995:

Causes Deaths
? Swimming pools, cause not specified = 51,835
? Swimming activity or apparel = 36258
? In-ground swimming pools = 23590
? Diving or diving boards = 12078
? Swimming pool equipment = 5732
? Swimming pool chemicals = 4060
? Above-ground swimming pools = 1827
? Swimming pool slides = 1669
? Wading pools = 1345


The US is a very Dangerous country !

Very, very pathetic argument.

pr0 09-24-2006 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Franck
Very, very pathetic argument.

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Dirty F 09-24-2006 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0
Lets just assume for a moment, all guns were banned tomorrow.

Day #1-3... - Voluntary turn-ins of all registered weapons to your local police station.

Day #3-15 - Mandatory collection of all registered weapons to your local police department.

Day #16-120....- The police & national gaurd go to every house, of every registered gun owner who hasn't turned in all their weapons, & take them by force.

End result:
#1 - 250 million guns have been collected or turned in.

#2 - 15,000 police & national gaurd members have been killed or wounded, by citizens who take "from my cold dead hands" 100% seriously.

#3 - Several million new holes have been dug in the ground all accross neighborhoods in america, and interstingly enough...several million "lost/misplaced/stolen gun" calls are made to local police departments.

#4 - Several hundred thousand new "illegal" weapons hit the streets....as gun owners accross america sell off their now "contraband" for 100X for original cost of the weapons. Creating a huge violent blackmarket, that is not only fueled by criminals & drug dealers....but partriots who wish to still have a weapon.

#5 - Criminals who bought illegal weapons prior to the roundup, still have their weapons. And now have a clear advantage against law abiding citizens.

Gun crimes go up 300%


Thats because NOW its too late indeed to ban guns because your country is already totally fucked up when it comes to guns. Maybe they shouldnt have allowed guns in the first place.

Here in Holland we dont need to carry a gun because my neighbour doesnt have one either and the chances of someone entering your house with a gun is basically 0.

Dirty F 09-24-2006 03:00 AM

Lets compare gun violence stats between Holland and the US shall we? And see if more guns is less crime :1orglaugh

Wait, nevermind, every sane person knows the outcome.

pr0 09-24-2006 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Franck
Thats because NOW its too late indeed to ban guns because your country is already totally fucked up when it comes to guns. Maybe they shouldnt have allowed guns in the first place.

Here in Holland we dont need to carry a gun because my neighbour doesnt have one either and the chances of someone entering your house with a gun is basically 0.

you would pray to god for a gun, if a guy my size walked into your apartment at night

you will never understand till it happens to you

i got car jacked by 5 dudes....& beaten for over 5 minutes....kicked in the head repeatedly, & left for dead (they thought i was dead)

i'm lucky i didn't get killed....but it will never happen again....because i carry enough ammo to take out 5 people

Dirty F 09-24-2006 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0
you would pray to god for a gun, if a guy my size walked into your apartment at night

you will never understand till it happens to you

i got car jacked by 5 dudes....& beaten for over 5 minutes....kicked in the head repeatedly, & left for dead (they thought i was dead)

i'm lucky i didn't get killed....but it will never happen again....because i carry enough ammo to take out 5 people

Sorry, i dont live in the ghetto.

Think outside American for once weirdo. You think anybody here feels unsafe without a gun? You think this country is missing something by not allowing guns?

You have no clue do you. There is more out there than the US and even better places.

pr0 09-24-2006 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Franck
Lets compare gun violence stats between Holland and the US shall we? And see if more guns is less crime :1orglaugh

Wait, nevermind, every sane person knows the outcome.

Ever try to fight off a guy who is 6ft + tall.....275lbs+, who's raging on amphetamine? We can throw a pittbull accross a room, snap its neck....be stabbed repeatedly with 6+ inch blades & keep coming.

Do you honestly think a knife or a baseball bat, or pepper spray would stop someone of that size, with the intent of hurting you?

But maybe your a good boxer....not that it means anything inside a house, in closed quarters. You'd be a dead man.

Just wait....maybe one day (and i certainly hope not, honestly) you might see the need for real protection.

Like the day i was almost killed by abunch of ghetto animals.

Dirty F 09-24-2006 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0
you would pray to god for a gun, if a guy my size walked into your apartment at night

you will never understand till it happens to you

i got car jacked by 5 dudes....& beaten for over 5 minutes....kicked in the head repeatedly, & left for dead (they thought i was dead)

i'm lucky i didn't get killed....but it will never happen again....because i carry enough ammo to take out 5 people

Thats one thing that scares me everytime i fly to the US. Knowing trigger happy idiots like you walk around with guns and some roadrage is enough to get a gun pointed at you.

Totally fucking insane.

The moment guns would be legal here and we get the same thing: people walking around with guns thats the moment im moving to another country.

That shit would make it a 100x more dangerous compared the very small chance you would ever need a gun here to protect yourself.

Dirty F 09-24-2006 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0
Ever try to fight off a guy who is 6ft + tall.....275lbs+, who's raging on amphetamine? We can throw a pittbull accross a room, snap its neck....be stabbed repeatedly with 6+ inch blades & keep coming.

Do you honestly think a knife or a baseball bat, or pepper spray would stop someone of that size, with the intent of hurting you?

But maybe your a good boxer....not that it means anything inside a house, in closed quarters. You'd be a dead man.

Just wait....maybe one day (and i certainly hope not, honestly) you might see the need for real protection.

Like the day i was almost killed by abunch of ghetto animals.


Once again:

Its more dangerous knowing half the people outside are walking around with guns and are ready to shoot like you. That is more likely to go wrong than some idiot on amps trying to beat you up.

But you dont want to hear this because to jack off to your gun, you dream about guns, your gun is your girlfriend. You dont want to hear anything negative about it.

pr0 09-24-2006 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Franck
Thats one thing that scares me everytime i fly to the US. Knowing trigger happy idiots like you walk around with guns and some roadrage is enough to get a gun pointed at you.

Totally fucking insane.

The moment guns would be legal here and we get the same thing: people walking around with guns thats the moment im moving to another country.

That shit would make it a 100x more dangerous compared the very small change you would ever need a gun here to protect yourself.

All i'm saying Franck...is that....a guy your size....stands roughly a 5% chance of survival against someone like me in hand to hand combat. Even with a knife in your hand, & an attack dog protecting your home.

So let me ask you this....whats your contingency plan, if a giant crazed fucker corners you in an alley....blow a whistle?

Dirty F 09-24-2006 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0
All i'm saying Franck...is that....a guy your size....stands roughly a 5% chance of survival against someone like me in hand to hand combat. Even with a knife in your hand, & an attack dog protecting your home.

So let me ask you this....whats your contingency plan, if a giant crazed fucker corners you in an alley....blow a whistle?


Whats more likely to go wrong:

Half the people walking outside with loaded guns hoping they can use it, like you.
OR
Me suddenly being cornered in an alley.

Tell me honestly...

Cant wait for your answer :1orglaugh

pr0 09-24-2006 03:14 AM

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francks so hardcore....all he needs is one of these :thumbsup

Dirty F 09-24-2006 03:15 AM

Pro, which country is more safe? The US with ALL its guns. Or Holland with hardly any guns?

ANother question:

Do you think Holland would be more safe is suddenly everybody started buying guns? Hahaha

Sorry, just asking that already makes me feel stupid.

Dirty F 09-24-2006 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/...CLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

francks so hardcore....all he needs is one of these :thumbsup


Pathetic. You know youre wrong so now you go this way.

Ok i know enough.

You are wrong and wont admit it because you are an idiot gun freak. One of the worst kinds. Someone you should avoid if you want to be safe.

If you go to any shows let me know because i for sure dont want to be anywhere NEAR someone like you. Someone who is waiting to use his gun. A few drinks, a small bar fight and there you go..
And i dont want to be near that when that happens.

People like you are the real danger. Not the criminal who you most likely wont ever see in your life. No, gun freaks like you who you bump in to in every day life. When walking outside, when driving, when going out.

Very scary.

pr0 09-24-2006 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Pro, which country is more safe? The US with ALL its guns. Or Holland with hardly any guns?

ANother question:

Do you think Holland would be more safe is suddenly everybody started buying guns? Hahaha

Sorry, just asking that already makes me feel stupid.

I love holland....& if i ever moved to holland, i would never bother buying a weapon. Other than a knife....to fight off your large russian/arab population who find it neccessary to hassle every single tourist with their fake cocaine.

Right now i live in the murder capital of the world. And if sleeping next to an AK-47 puts me into R.E.M. faster @ night....whats the harm?

pr0 09-24-2006 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franck
Pathetic. You know youre wrong so now you go this way.

Ok i know enough.

You are wrong and wont admit it because you are an idiot gun freak. One of the worst kinds. Someone you should avoid if you want to be safe.

If you go to any shows let me know because i for sure dont want to be anywhere NEAR someone like you. Someone who is waiting to use his gun. A few drinks, a small bar fight and there you go..
And i dont want to be near that when that happens.

People like you are the real danger. Not the criminal who you most likely wont ever see in your life. No, gun freaks like you who you bump in to in every day life. When walking outside, when driving, when going out.

Very scary.

I don't carry a weapon when i consume alchohol. I havn't been in a fist fight since i was 19 years old. And everyone thats ever met me knows i'm very chill.

You happen to live in utopia in europe....i live in the murder capital of the world. So you wouldn't understand.

Quit calling me a gun nut...& put yourself in my position.

GrouchyAdmin 09-24-2006 03:24 AM

After all, people don't have criminal thoughts until the gun plants them in their mind.

Dirty F 09-24-2006 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0
I don't carry a weapon when i consume alchohol. I havn't been in a fist fight since i was 19 years old. And everyone thats ever met me knows i'm very chill.

You happen to live in utopia in europe....i live in the murder capital of the world. So you wouldn't understand.

Quit calling me a gun nut...& put yourself in my position.


You are starting to get more real. You went from more guns = more safe to where i live you need to carry a gun and where you live i wouldnt have one.

Big difference. And im happy you are finally changing your view.

pr0 09-24-2006 03:30 AM

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/876...r753559cx9.jpg

Dirty F 09-24-2006 03:31 AM

More real = more realistic.

Jennifer C 09-24-2006 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0
Ever try to fight off a guy who is 6ft + tall.....275lbs+, who's raging on amphetamine? We can throw a pittbull accross a room, snap its neck....be stabbed repeatedly with 6+ inch blades & keep coming.

Do you honestly think a knife or a baseball bat, or pepper spray would stop someone of that size, with the intent of hurting you?

But maybe your a good boxer....not that it means anything inside a house, in closed quarters. You'd be a dead man.

Just wait....maybe one day (and i certainly hope not, honestly) you might see the need for real protection.

Like the day i was almost killed by abunch of ghetto animals.

But you'd be a dead man in the first place if that guy attacking you had a gun, right?

Klen 09-24-2006 03:44 AM

Guns should be forbidden totaly and then will no be crime at all.

justsexxx 09-24-2006 03:53 AM

So funny thread....HAd to say it again....

Also funny how ppl mention: WHen I get robbed I can use my gun....

Here are hardly any guns...The advantage is, WHEN you get robbed, they don't use guns too...Okay, it still sucks(duh) But I prefer a smash on my head, than a bullet on the same place....

Dirty F 09-24-2006 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris
Guns should be forbidden totaly and then will no be crime at all.


Bullshit.

There will always be crime. Guns or no guns.

England 09-24-2006 04:32 AM

I think this thread has gone a long why. Basically proving that the US is unsafe in many places because of their guns policy. But it IS possible to turn around. No pain no gain. I feel for people like pr0 who needs a gun to feel safe.

It shouldn't have to be like that, step up.

There wasn't always been such strict laws in Norway. Some people may have died in the "revolution" but the long term positive effect i am sure has far outweighted the small period of "unrest".

But frankly if we are going to start talking about what makes the streets unsafe we shouldn't just be talking about guns. I wouldn't be wandering around bad neighbourhoods in Oslo at night without being fully alert, but its not guns i am affraid of. As mentioned drugs are bad. (atleast when criminalized) It's a very long debate.

Jenny S. 09-24-2006 04:46 AM

Don't worry about those 70 million new guns, most of them were bought up by my neighbors in case the assault weapons ban gets reinstated again.

Therefore crime on my street has been 0 for over 10 years, if you disregard a run over mailbox.

England 09-24-2006 06:26 AM

Hi Jenny.
No offence, but ofcourse your redneck pussy keeps the men in place. You are witnessing the solution. Make love not war ;) right

Sad though, men grow tired of singing, dancing, women and drink much sooner than war

stickyfingerz 09-24-2006 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by websiex
Can go slippery slope the other way too though: All weapons are allowed to be owned.

Day #1-3 - Civilians have access to all weapons available for sale by private business or government entities.

Day #3-15 - Terrorists, funded by organization money buy heavy firearms. Nuclear weapons are available and not regulated.

Days Ahead - Nuclear bombs are detonated in major US cities.

That post contains no common sense.... I say this after looking furiously to find an ounce of it...

smack 09-24-2006 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB
I hate to burst you bubble, but I'll be 38 in December and never have owned a gun and have never needed the use of one. Funny how I've managed to live so long without a gun.


it's just like saying goes. "I would rather have one and not need it, then need one and not have it."

i carry health insurance too, and wear a seatbelt. i will be 25 in a couple months, and thankfully haven't ever needed either. funny how i've managed to live so long with utilizing either of those.

Jenny S. 09-24-2006 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by England
Hi Jenny.
No offence, but ofcourse your redneck pussy keeps the men in place. You are witnessing the solution. Make love not war ;) right

Sad though, men grow tired of singing, dancing, women and drink much sooner than war

Pussy, not war, right.

My grandfather in law was in a real war in 1944/45. He told me the only men who like war are those who've never been in one. He also says in real battle, like Normandy, there are no atheists. If you go in a battle with a division of 20.000 men and you know only 8.000 are going to survive it's probably ruining your day really quick.

As for gun control, I personally don't like guns but do not agree with all arguments of the anti gun lobby either. I used to live in Switzerland, a country with one of the lowest (gun related) homicide rates. Every adult male Swiss citizen is required by law to have an assault rifle at home.

pr0 09-24-2006 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jenny S.
Pussy, not war, right.

My grandfather in law was in a real war in 1944/45. He told me the only men who like war are those who've never been in one. He also says in real battle, like Normandy, there are no atheists. If you go in a battle with a division of 20.000 men and you know only 8.000 are going to survive it's probably ruining your day really quick.

As for gun control, I personally don't like guns but do not agree with all arguments of the anti gun lobby either. I used to live in Switzerland, a country with one of the lowest (gun related) homicide rates. Every adult male Swiss citizen is required by law to have an assault rifle at home.

Intelligent woman here....she knows all about the swiss. Almost ZERO homicides related to guns per year....yet EVERY home by law is made to have one.

Let me tell you, they make a fine rifle....i have a swiss surplus :thumbsup

England 09-24-2006 09:26 AM

The swiss do have some strange traditions when it comes to weapons. Haven't seen that law though, seems a bit much. Anyway the death number isn't that low, it might be low based on how many guns there are, but still its only 1/8 of US numbers and US number is HUGE.

ronbotx 09-24-2006 10:45 AM

You can simply take the socialist/left view where you can let the government protect and take care of you, which doesn't seem to work ALL the time.... OR ... you can take personal responsibility and take the protection of home and family into your own hands.

I won't argue either scenario. I know what works for me. I'm happy to live in a free country where I have the choice.


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