Originally Posted by General Cocksworthy

Gun ownership is garunteed in the US Constitution... (as) protection from an out of control government that is no longer working.

Originally Posted by Jenny S.

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Originally Posted by websiex

Can go slippery slope the other way too though: All weapons are allowed to be owned.

Day #1-3 - Civilians have access to all weapons available for sale by private business or government entities.

Day #3-15 - Terrorists, funded by organization money buy heavy firearms. Nuclear weapons are available and not regulated.

Days Ahead - Nuclear bombs are detonated in major US cities.

Originally Posted by England

Ofcourse i would shoot if someone entered my house and i knew the fucker was going to kill me. But, and listen to this. In Norway we got very strickt gun laws. Police are not even allowed to carry guns unless they are issued because of some really bad situation. This is something most people will not understand. Its because if the bad guys know the police are armed they are more likely to shoot. If the police got no weapons why the hell should they shoot them. Same thing goes for when someone robs a house, if they know people aren't gun touting loons they won't be shooting the first thing that moves.

Better to solve the grand larceny later than clean up murder.

Originally Posted by Anthony

Stats please.

Then, put the stats next too people who get cut while using knives.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Solid Bob

Franck and you other ridiculous outsiders looking in, you don't take into consideration a lot of variables when coming to your retarded conclusions.

Originally Posted by Franck

Thats because NOW its too late indeed to ban guns because your country is already totally fucked up when it comes to guns. Maybe they shouldnt have allowed guns in the first place.

Here in Holland we dont need to carry a gun because my neighbour doesnt have one either and the chances of someone entering your house with a gun is basically 0.

Originally Posted by Franck

Sorry, i dont live in the ghetto.

Think outside American for once weirdo. You think anybody here feels unsafe without a gun? You think this country is missing something by not allowing guns?

You have no clue do you. There is more out there than the US and even better places.

Originally Posted by Franck

2 totally different things. You cant avoid using knives, its an every day tool, guns however arent and accidents with guns can be stopped by not allowing guns.

Hard to understand i know.

Whats your next argument? Accidents with forks happen?

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

car accidents can be avoided by not driving
getting struck by lightnening can be avoided by not going outside
choking deaths from food can be avoided by not eating
drunk driving accidents (how my mother was killed) can be avoided by banning alcohol and cars

the bottom line is that accidents are accidents. you don't take away peoples freedoms because of accidents.

Originally Posted by Franck

I wonder how many died because of guns in Holland.

I *think* a little less.

Originally Posted by pr0

Ever try to fight off a guy who is 6ft + tall.....275lbs+, who's raging on amphetamine? We can throw a pittbull accross a room, snap its neck....be stabbed repeatedly with 6+ inch blades & keep coming.

Do you honestly think a knife or a baseball bat, or pepper spray would stop someone of that size, with the intent of hurting you?

But maybe your a good boxer....not that it means anything inside a house, in closed quarters. You'd be a dead man.

Just wait....maybe one day (and i certainly hope not, honestly) you might see the need for real protection.

Like the day i was almost killed by abunch of ghetto animals.

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

You're an ignorant clown.
As it stands any man or midsize animal who decided to take you and your wife and children would have no trouble doing so. All some clown needs is a steak knife or good fists and you're doomed.

But you won't learn until it is too late. Fools like you learn their lesson about a minute before someone stabs or shoots them to death.

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

i wonder how the population of holland compares to the population of the USA? i think it could be argued that you don't think at all. ;)

why do you care? you don't see Americans making arguments against dykes in holland because kids drown in canals. most people have better things to worry about than what is going on in another country on the other side of the planet.

Originally Posted by Franck

Thats one thing that scares me everytime i fly to the US. Knowing trigger happy idiots like you walk around with guns and some roadrage is enough to get a gun pointed at you.

Totally fucking insane.

The moment guns would be legal here and we get the same thing: people walking around with guns thats the moment im moving to another country.

That shit would make it a 100x more dangerous compared the very small chance you would ever need a gun here to protect yourself.

Originally Posted by Franck

Cars are needed in society. Guns arent. Cars are made to drive, guns are made to kill.

Stop comparing to TOTALLY different things, its pathetic.

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

All some clown needs is a steak knife or good fists and you're doomed.

Originally Posted by Franck

Once again:

Its more dangerous knowing half the people outside are walking around with guns and are ready to shoot like you. That is more likely to go wrong than some idiot on amps trying to beat you up.

But you dont want to hear this because to jack off to your gun, you dream about guns, your gun is your girlfriend. You dont want to hear anything negative about it.

Originally Posted by Franck

Per 1000 people. Per million people, whatever you want :1orglaugh

Same thing and you know it.

Originally Posted by pr0

All i'm saying Franck...is that....a guy your size....stands roughly a 5% chance of survival against someone like me in hand to hand combat. Even with a knife in your hand, & an attack dog protecting your home.

So let me ask you this....whats your contingency plan, if a giant crazed fucker corners you in an alley....blow a whistle?

Originally Posted by Franck

Whats more likely to go wrong:

Half the people walking outside with loaded guns hoping they can use it, like you.
OR
Me suddenly being cornered in an alley.

Tell me honestly...

Cant wait for your answer :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

you fucking retard.. ."per million people" doesn't mean shit when you are comparing the country with a population thats the size of a the crowd at a minor league football game and a country of 300,000,000

Originally Posted by Franck

Pathetic. You know youre wrong so now you go this way.

Ok i know enough.

You are wrong and wont admit it because you are an idiot gun freak. One of the worst kinds. Someone you should avoid if you want to be safe.

If you go to any shows let me know because i for sure dont want to be anywhere NEAR someone like you. Someone who is waiting to use his gun. A few drinks, a small bar fight and there you go..
And i dont want to be near that when that happens.

People like you are the real danger. Not the criminal who you most likely wont ever see in your life. No, gun freaks like you who you bump in to in every day life. When walking outside, when driving, when going out.

Very scary.

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

yet you compare your tiny, 1/2 submerged, statistically irrelevant country to the USA as if it is a rational comparison.

Originally Posted by Jennifer C

But you'd be a dead man in the first place if that guy attacking you had a gun, right?

Originally Posted by Franck

Huh? Are you fucking retarded? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Dude per million is per million

Holy shit, you really are mentally challenged.

Originally Posted by England

I think this thread has gone a long why. Basically proving that the US is unsafe in many places because of their guns policy. But it IS possible to turn around. No pain no gain. I feel for people like pr0 who needs a gun to feel safe.

It shouldn't have to be like that, step up.

There wasn't always been such strict laws in Norway. Some people may have died in the "revolution" but the long term positive effect i am sure has far outweighted the small period of "unrest".

But frankly if we are going to start talking about what makes the streets unsafe we shouldn't just be talking about guns. I wouldn't be wandering around bad neighbourhoods in Oslo at night without being fully alert, but its not guns i am affraid of. As mentioned drugs are bad. (atleast when criminalized) It's a very long debate.

Originally Posted by ronbotx

You can simply take the socialist/left view where you can let the government protect and take care of you, which doesn't seem to work ALL the time.... OR ... you can take personal responsibility and take the protection of home and family into your own hands.

I won't argue either scenario. I know what works for me. I'm happy to live in a free country where I have the choice.

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

oh really? per million fortune 500 executives and per million ghetto gangbangers is the same when you are talking about violent crimes? you got too much tattoo ink in your bloodstream.

Originally Posted by Franck

Im happy to live in a country where i know its very unlikely that the person standing next to me has a gun on him.

You people scare me...seriously.

The only reason you have a gun to protect yourself is because you know the person you might have to protect yourself from also has a gun. Isnt that totally fucked up?

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell

It shocks one to realise how many idiots want to be babysat no matter how old they manage to live to be.

Out of Texas, of course you know and understand that.. . here in the states it is all about personal responsibility.

Originally Posted by Jenny S.

Free country my ass. How free am I if I want to be a prostitute or smoke a joint, for example? No choice there. In some States a man fucking a man up the ass is a felony. Being topless on the beach is a crime in most parts of this free country. What about abortion?
Oh yes, I forgot, we are pro life, at least as long as it is unborn life. What about born life, means, our guys who bite the dust in the fucking desert right now.

As I said, I am not for guncontrol either, but what really sucks is that whenever someone in this country brings up things like free healthcare or guncontrol, or free education, another one throws in the words "socialist" or "communist".

What's communist if a woman can deliver a baby in a hospital without being billed to death by greedy scumbag doctors after? What's communist if a country choses to limit assault weapons, means weapons that have no other use than killing as many people as possible in a short amount of time?

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

oh really? per million fortune 500 executives and per million ghetto gangbangers is the same when you are talking about violent crimes? you got too much tattoo ink in your bloodstream.

Originally Posted by pornopete

This supports my theory that ugly people carry guns because it makes them believe they are 'cool' or have an increased appeal to the opposite sex.

I also have a theory that the number of closet fags amoung gun carriers is extremely high.

Originally Posted by smack

You know, also i always hate putting this out there, because most people just think i am crazy. However, one of the main reasons we have a second amendment is not only for protection from other people, but from the government.

The founding fathers of this country realized how important it was to allow the people to have the ability, if needed, to overthrow their government.

Originally Posted by England

Then what are you waiting for? If that is the reason why you have guns then you have my appologies. Now is the time to do the overthrowing though. I do not think you will get a better example (administration) when you should do it.

But read your post again and see how stupid it is. "Everyone should have a gun so that they can overthrow the government if they want" Imagine all the factions, the bloodbath... jeasus.

Originally Posted by General Cocksworthy

Gun ownership is garunteed in the US Constitution not for protection from each other but protection from an out of control government that is no longer working in the best interest of the people or an invading army like say Nazi Germany. Thus far those two goals have been accomplished.

Originally Posted by Franck

Have you ever heard about averages you fucking retard? Any idea how statistiscs are made? Do you even know how to breathe on your own?

Jesus, PLEASE shut the fuck up.

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

riiiiiiight.
and that happens every second of everyday in every town across the country. good point. guns cause psychotic idiots. and if they didnt have a gun they wouldn't be psychotic idiots.


i think these gun arguments are 100% retarded. first and foremost... i dont give a fuck who has a gun or if people are not allowed to have guns at all. for all i care, they can be banned tomorrow and i think i will still wake up and have my normal breakfast, get my normal work done.. spend the normal amount of time with my wife and keep doing all the things i normally do.

i DON'T believe the constitution gives anyone the right to own a gun. believe it or not dickheads, you are not a "well organized militia". "right to bear arms" doesn't mean you should carry a pistol in your pocket while wandering down the street or into a supermarket. and try to get this through your thick fucking skull... this is the year 2006... not 1776. this isn't the wild west... this isn't the new frontier anymore. its just another well deloped country. if you are so fucking completely out of your mind that you think that you need a personal weapon in the year 2006 because you are afraid of your government or because you think that somehow your meaninglesss, inbred, toothless, hillbilly existence is what is keeping the worlds most powerful, well funded and advanced military from vaporizing you from outerspace... then you should be in police custody anyway and you should be sterilized. the world has enough problems without dickheads like you incessantly babbling on about crop circles and alien abductions.

I grew up with a family that was a bunch of card carrying IRA idiots. The American Rifleman (which all members get) is one of the scariest pieces of propaganda i have ever read and i have spent 10 years in Eastern Europe. The arguments are weak and they are fucking lunatics. When you are reduced to arguing that amor piercing, "cop killing" bullets should be legal for ... for.... uhm.... well, for deer hunting... then you need to be taken into custody, deprogrammed, sterilized and placed under observation (for you own safety more than anything)

i come from a family of professional hunters and even though i used to own a ton of guns when i was young, growing up in alaska, i dont really see a point to it.

that being said... a person from another country can argue for ever and point fingers and assess blame and so on... but all the aguements don't acknowledge, one single, fundamental fact... there are cultural issues that determine violence and the level of violence in a society. having a gun or not having a gun does not. when Crack cocaine hit the streets in the late 80's and everything went sideways... the killings and gang fights and constant shootings IN THOSE FEW BAD AREAS would not have stopped. but then again... there is no way to prove that, just as there is no way it would have happened regardless of gun laws.

I know 1 person that has a concealed weapons permit and i am related him. He doesn't carry the gun with him.

So some of you stupid fucking idiot foreigners need to stop acting like every 3rd person in the USA is walking down the street has an Uzi under their jacket. Some people own guns that they have in their home for protection. Most people do not. I am sure some areas have many times more than others.
Turn off the micheal moore "documentaries", step away from the hate machine you call a television... you know, that thing that tells you all sides of a story and yet you insist on believing the side the supports your world view while you ignore the other.

also, please STOP comparing your fucking tiny, irrelevant, socialist country which has a population smaller than California and an economy several times that of California to a nation of 300,000,000 with many times the socio-economic diversity of yours to the USA. there are no comparison on any level whether its on economic, social issues, crime or anything else.

:2 cents:


that is all.

carry on.

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

yeah... my thoughts exactly.

someone please tag that person so that he can be collected and taken to a government sterilization center.

the day he thinks he is actually going to get into a military gun battle (and actually thinks he can win) and have to shoot his own sons and daughters and friends and family serving in the US military in CatFart Illinois, is the day my "out of control government" has my permission to sneak up behind him and fulfill his own prophecy with a .22 bullet in the back of his head.

someone needs to go back to their Halo2 tournaments, Renaissance fairs, Dungeons and Dragons conventions and Civil War Reinactments while the adults run the world.

Originally Posted by Franck

2 totally different things. You cant avoid using knives, its an every day tool, guns however arent and accidents with guns can be stopped by not allowing guns.

Hard to understand i know.

Whats your next argument? Accidents with forks happen?

Originally Posted by Franck

What retarded conclusions? That i live in a country where we are safe from guns? Yeah thats sooo retarded. I cant believe how retarded that is. Thats like the most retarded thing ever.

No guns here and we dont need them...how retarded can it get.

Originally Posted by Franck

Children and Gun Violence
In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)

I wonder how many died because of guns in Holland.

I *think* a little less.

Originally Posted by Franck

FACT: While handguns account for only one-third of all firearms owned in the United States, they account for more than two-thirds of all firearm-related deaths each year. A gun in the home is 4 times more likely to be involved in an unintentional shooting, 7 times more likely to be used to commit a criminal assault or homicide, and 11 times more likely to be used to attempt or commit suicide than to be used in self-defense.