Lets compare gun violence stats between Holland and the US shall we? And see if more guns is less crime :1orglaugh

Wait, nevermind, every sane person knows the outcome.

you would pray to god for a gun, if a guy my size walked into your apartment at night

you will never understand till it happens to you

i got car jacked by 5 dudes....& beaten for over 5 minutes....kicked in the head repeatedly, & left for dead (they thought i was dead)

i'm lucky i didn't get killed....but it will never happen again....because i carry enough ammo to take out 5 people

Sorry, i dont live in the ghetto.

Think outside American for once weirdo. You think anybody here feels unsafe without a gun? You think this country is missing something by not allowing guns?

You have no clue do you. There is more out there than the US and even better places.

Ever try to fight off a guy who is 6ft + tall.....275lbs+, who's raging on amphetamine? We can throw a pittbull accross a room, snap its neck....be stabbed repeatedly with 6+ inch blades & keep coming.

Do you honestly think a knife or a baseball bat, or pepper spray would stop someone of that size, with the intent of hurting you?

But maybe your a good boxer....not that it means anything inside a house, in closed quarters. You'd be a dead man.

Just wait....maybe one day (and i certainly hope not, honestly) you might see the need for real protection.

Like the day i was almost killed by abunch of ghetto animals.

Thats one thing that scares me everytime i fly to the US. Knowing trigger happy idiots like you walk around with guns and some roadrage is enough to get a gun pointed at you.

Totally fucking insane.

The moment guns would be legal here and we get the same thing: people walking around with guns thats the moment im moving to another country.

That shit would make it a 100x more dangerous compared the very small chance you would ever need a gun here to protect yourself.

Once again:

Its more dangerous knowing half the people outside are walking around with guns and are ready to shoot like you. That is more likely to go wrong than some idiot on amps trying to beat you up.

But you dont want to hear this because to jack off to your gun, you dream about guns, your gun is your girlfriend. You dont want to hear anything negative about it.

All i'm saying Franck...is that....a guy your size....stands roughly a 5% chance of survival against someone like me in hand to hand combat. Even with a knife in your hand, & an attack dog protecting your home.

So let me ask you this....whats your contingency plan, if a giant crazed fucker corners you in an alley....blow a whistle?

Whats more likely to go wrong:

Half the people walking outside with loaded guns hoping they can use it, like you.
OR
Me suddenly being cornered in an alley.

Tell me honestly...

Cant wait for your answer :1orglaugh

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francks so hardcore....all he needs is one of these :thumbsup

Pro, which country is more safe? The US with ALL its guns. Or Holland with hardly any guns?

ANother question:

Do you think Holland would be more safe is suddenly everybody started buying guns? Hahaha

Sorry, just asking that already makes me feel stupid.

Pathetic. You know youre wrong so now you go this way.

Ok i know enough.

You are wrong and wont admit it because you are an idiot gun freak. One of the worst kinds. Someone you should avoid if you want to be safe.

If you go to any shows let me know because i for sure dont want to be anywhere NEAR someone like you. Someone who is waiting to use his gun. A few drinks, a small bar fight and there you go..
And i dont want to be near that when that happens.

People like you are the real danger. Not the criminal who you most likely wont ever see in your life. No, gun freaks like you who you bump in to in every day life. When walking outside, when driving, when going out.

Very scary.

I love holland....& if i ever moved to holland, i would never bother buying a weapon. Other than a knife....to fight off your large russian/arab population who find it neccessary to hassle every single tourist with their fake cocaine.

Right now i live in the murder capital of the world. And if sleeping next to an AK-47 puts me into R.E.M. faster @ night....whats the harm?

I don't carry a weapon when i consume alchohol. I havn't been in a fist fight since i was 19 years old. And everyone thats ever met me knows i'm very chill.

You happen to live in utopia in europe....i live in the murder capital of the world. So you wouldn't understand.

Quit calling me a gun nut...& put yourself in my position.

After all, people don't have criminal thoughts until the gun plants them in their mind.

You are starting to get more real. You went from more guns = more safe to where i live you need to carry a gun and where you live i wouldnt have one.

Big difference. And im happy you are finally changing your view.

More real = more realistic.

But you'd be a dead man in the first place if that guy attacking you had a gun, right?

Guns should be forbidden totaly and then will no be crime at all.

So funny thread....HAd to say it again....

Also funny how ppl mention: WHen I get robbed I can use my gun....

Here are hardly any guns...The advantage is, WHEN you get robbed, they don't use guns too...Okay, it still sucks(duh) But I prefer a smash on my head, than a bullet on the same place....

Bullshit.

There will always be crime. Guns or no guns.

I think this thread has gone a long why. Basically proving that the US is unsafe in many places because of their guns policy. But it IS possible to turn around. No pain no gain. I feel for people like pr0 who needs a gun to feel safe.

It shouldn't have to be like that, step up.

There wasn't always been such strict laws in Norway. Some people may have died in the "revolution" but the long term positive effect i am sure has far outweighted the small period of "unrest".

But frankly if we are going to start talking about what makes the streets unsafe we shouldn't just be talking about guns. I wouldn't be wandering around bad neighbourhoods in Oslo at night without being fully alert, but its not guns i am affraid of. As mentioned drugs are bad. (atleast when criminalized) It's a very long debate.

Don't worry about those 70 million new guns, most of them were bought up by my neighbors in case the assault weapons ban gets reinstated again.

Therefore crime on my street has been 0 for over 10 years, if you disregard a run over mailbox.

Hi Jenny.
No offence, but ofcourse your redneck pussy keeps the men in place. You are witnessing the solution. Make love not war ;) right

Sad though, men grow tired of singing, dancing, women and drink much sooner than war

That post contains no common sense.... I say this after looking furiously to find an ounce of it...

it's just like saying goes. "I would rather have one and not need it, then need one and not have it."

i carry health insurance too, and wear a seatbelt. i will be 25 in a couple months, and thankfully haven't ever needed either. funny how i've managed to live so long with utilizing either of those.

Pussy, not war, right.

My grandfather in law was in a real war in 1944/45. He told me the only men who like war are those who've never been in one. He also says in real battle, like Normandy, there are no atheists. If you go in a battle with a division of 20.000 men and you know only 8.000 are going to survive it's probably ruining your day really quick.

As for gun control, I personally don't like guns but do not agree with all arguments of the anti gun lobby either. I used to live in Switzerland, a country with one of the lowest (gun related) homicide rates. Every adult male Swiss citizen is required by law to have an assault rifle at home.

Intelligent woman here....she knows all about the swiss. Almost ZERO homicides related to guns per year....yet EVERY home by law is made to have one.

Let me tell you, they make a fine rifle....i have a swiss surplus :thumbsup

The swiss do have some strange traditions when it comes to weapons. Haven't seen that law though, seems a bit much. Anyway the death number isn't that low, it might be low based on how many guns there are, but still its only 1/8 of US numbers and US number is HUGE.

You can simply take the socialist/left view where you can let the government protect and take care of you, which doesn't seem to work ALL the time.... OR ... you can take personal responsibility and take the protection of home and family into your own hands.

I won't argue either scenario. I know what works for me. I'm happy to live in a free country where I have the choice.

Im happy to live in a country where i know its very unlikely that the person standing next to me has a gun on him.

You people scare me...seriously.

The only reason you have a gun to protect yourself is because you know the person you might have to protect yourself from also has a gun. Isnt that totally fucked up?

It is fucked up. You adapt to the world you live in.

Free country my ass. How free am I if I want to be a prostitute or smoke a joint, for example? No choice there. In some States a man fucking a man up the ass is a felony. Being topless on the beach is a crime in most parts of this free country. What about abortion?
Oh yes, I forgot, we are pro life, at least as long as it is unborn life. What about born life, means, our guys who bite the dust in the fucking desert right now.

As I said, I am not for guncontrol either, but what really sucks is that whenever someone in this country brings up things like free healthcare or guncontrol, or free education, another one throws in the words "socialist" or "communist".

What's communist if a woman can deliver a baby in a hospital without being billed to death by greedy scumbag doctors after? What's communist if a country choses to limit assault weapons, means weapons that have no other use than killing as many people as possible in a short amount of time?

Jenny is a smart little one.

I do not like our socialist regime because of so many things they are doing wrong, but still i value our right to free school, free hospital, free speech and no crazy ass big guns.

But i think we actually have come to a conclusion. As Anthony and pr0 are saying they adapt to the world they live in. The USA government / constitution has given them no other choice but to arm themselves.

well duuuuuhhhhhh

And also i forgot to mention, i value our prison sentances. They might often be unfair. But our longest sentance is 21 years in prison.


And for people that need an explanation:
I think that one of the greatest threats to democracy is life sentance. Just imagine how "easy" it is to put away someone simply because he is an inconvenience.

The mafia could pay their way OUT of a sentance, i'm sure certain people can pay (or fabricate evidence) to get someone convicted.

You think the number of firearms decreased all those years before that? :1orglaugh

Another clear cut example of how groups will manipulate data to whichever way best presents their argument. :)

Keep basing your perception of reality on TV shows. That's all I can say. :1orglaugh

this thread is KILLER

You are way way off in left field. Criminals you'll never see? :1orglaugh

Franck and you other ridiculous outsiders looking in, you don't take into consideration a lot of variables when coming to your retarded conclusions.

I won't say anymore for now, I have some work to do but read this without your obvious bias and get a clue.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Pfft, we took those pics for this thread last night to get the rabid antigun nuts out and posting.

Thank you for playing!

:1orglaugh

Stats please.

Then, put the stats next too people who get cut while using knives.

Thanks.

You know, also i always hate putting this out there, because most people just think i am crazy. However, one of the main reasons we have a second amendment is not only for protection from other people, but from the government.

The founding fathers of this country realized how important it was to allow the people to have the ability, if needed, to overthrow their government.

Then what are you waiting for? If that is the reason why you have guns then you have my appologies. Now is the time to do the overthrowing though. I do not think you will get a better example (administration) when you should do it.

But read your post again and see how stupid it is. "Everyone should have a gun so that they can overthrow the government if they want" Imagine all the factions, the bloodbath... jeasus.

Smack, that wasn't directed as you.

Might be that the founding fathers had this smart idea. But it doesn't work anymore. We have to change as time changes.

Gun ownership is garunteed in the US Constitution not for protection from each other but protection from an out of control government that is no longer working in the best interest of the people or an invading army like say Nazi Germany. Thus far those two goals have been accomplished.

why do dutch and french people seem to get involved in every argument and are always annoying as fuck when doing so?

riiiiiiight.
and that happens every second of everyday in every town across the country. good point. guns cause psychotic idiots. and if they didnt have a gun they wouldn't be psychotic idiots.


i think these gun arguments are 100% retarded. first and foremost... i dont give a fuck who has a gun or if people are not allowed to have guns at all. for all i care, they can be banned tomorrow and i think i will still wake up and have my normal breakfast, get my normal work done.. spend the normal amount of time with my wife and keep doing all the things i normally do.

i DON'T believe the constitution gives anyone the right to own a gun. believe it or not dickheads, you are not a "well organized militia". "right to bear arms" doesn't mean you should carry a pistol in your pocket while wandering down the street or into a supermarket. and try to get this through your thick fucking skull... this is the year 2006... not 1776. this isn't the wild west... this isn't the new frontier anymore. its just another well deloped country. if you are so fucking completely out of your mind that you think that you need a personal weapon in the year 2006 because you are afraid of your government or because you think that somehow your meaninglesss, inbred, toothless, hillbilly existence is what is keeping the worlds most powerful, well funded and advanced military from vaporizing you from outerspace... then you should be in police custody anyway and you should be sterilized. the world has enough problems without dickheads like you incessantly babbling on about crop circles and alien abductions.

I grew up with a family that was a bunch of card carrying IRA idiots. The American Rifleman (which all members get) is one of the scariest pieces of propaganda i have ever read and i have spent 10 years in Eastern Europe. The arguments are weak and they are fucking lunatics. When you are reduced to arguing that amor piercing, "cop killing" bullets should be legal for ... for.... uhm.... well, for deer hunting... then you need to be taken into custody, deprogrammed, sterilized and placed under observation (for you own safety more than anything)

i come from a family of professional hunters and even though i used to own a ton of guns when i was young, growing up in alaska, i dont really see a point to it.

that being said... a person from another country can argue for ever and point fingers and assess blame and so on... but all the aguements don't acknowledge, one single, fundamental fact... there are cultural issues that determine violence and the level of violence in a society. having a gun or not having a gun does not. when Crack cocaine hit the streets in the late 80's and everything went sideways... the killings and gang fights and constant shootings IN THOSE FEW BAD AREAS would not have stopped. but then again... there is no way to prove that, just as there is no way it would have happened regardless of gun laws.

I know 1 person that has a concealed weapons permit and i am related him. He doesn't carry the gun with him.

So some of you stupid fucking idiot foreigners need to stop acting like every 3rd person in the USA is walking down the street has an Uzi under their jacket. Some people own guns that they have in their home for protection. Most people do not. I am sure some areas have many times more than others.
Turn off the micheal moore "documentaries", step away from the hate machine you call a television... you know, that thing that tells you all sides of a story and yet you insist on believing the side the supports your world view while you ignore the other.

also, please STOP comparing your fucking tiny, irrelevant, socialist country which has a population smaller than California and an economy several times that of California to a nation of 300,000,000 with many times the socio-economic diversity of yours to the USA. there are no comparison on any level whether its on economic, social issues, crime or anything else.

:2 cents:


that is all.

carry on.