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jscott · 09-22-2006, 08:02 AM

I hired a programmer over 2 months ago, and paid him half to do a job for me, i said there is no rush on it, and he said it'd take about a month in that case

i waited waited waited, finally got contacted saying some shit went wrong and he lost all the work he's done, i said ok that sucks, when will it be done now? he said 2-3 more weeks, and that was over a month ago

is this bad business or what? i think its bad. i mean, do i have to go nagging him for the work i paid for? shouldnt he hit me up telling me he's late again?

i'm getting pissed, about to ask for refund and go with someone else

Dirty F · 09-22-2006, 08:03 AM

Man, from all the people i worked with in the past programmers by far were the most difficult to deal with. They dissapear on you, have all kinds of excuses etc.

Im not sure whats wrong with those people.

fallenmuffin · 09-22-2006, 08:09 AM

Yeah, thats bad business. Ask him to show you what he currently has, a demo.. if he can't show you that then he has nothing demand a refund.

Sarah - GTS · 09-22-2006, 08:09 AM

Yes this is bad business, I would ask for a full refund and find someone else.
Good luck!

jscott · 09-22-2006, 08:10 AM

yea but i think it's fucked up that he's late a 2nd time on getting the job done, and he doesnt even fucking contact me to let me know, HE should contact ME!

this is horrible!

JUSTB · 09-22-2006, 08:12 AM

it's very bad business and unfortunately programmers are the absolute worst to get work out of

topshelfdesign · 09-22-2006, 08:30 AM

yup abd business!

hit me up
ill meet your deadline!

cyberstar · 09-22-2006, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Franck

Man, from all the people i worked with in the past programmers by far were the most difficult to deal with. They dissapear on you, have all kinds of excuses etc.

Im not sure whats wrong with those people.

yep, they are definitely a different kind of breed ;-)

jscott- if you do decide to go with someone else, don't hesitate to contact me. I have a great programmer on my team. He is fast and does it right the first time. Hit me up or email - star AT shockmedialab.com

RayVega · 09-22-2006, 08:50 AM

Very bad business. I'd ask for a refund. Chances are he'll avoid you, But ask for one in any case maybe it'll put a flame under his ass.

Sosa · 09-22-2006, 08:56 AM

finding a good programmer is hard work.

Barefootsies · 09-22-2006, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sosa

finding a good programmer is hard work.

TRUE DAT

Adult Search Results · 09-22-2006, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jscott

I hired a programmer over 2 months ago, and paid him half to do a job for me, i said there is no rush on it, and he said it'd take about a month in that case

i waited waited waited, finally got contacted saying some shit went wrong and he lost all the work he's done, i said ok that sucks, when will it be done now? he said 2-3 more weeks, and that was over a month ago

is this bad business or what? i think its bad. i mean, do i have to go nagging him for the work i paid for? shouldnt he hit me up telling me he's late again?

i'm getting pissed, about to ask for refund and go with someone else

Programmers are notorious for being lazy and postponing things until you basically threaten them or something.. I've had too many bad experiences with them.

jscott · 09-22-2006, 11:05 AM

i dont know, i'll see what the new excuse is tomorrow (i'll hit HIM up about it) and if still being shady i'll hit one of ya'lls up for the programming

1. sucks if i'll have to re-explain everything
2. sucks since the job i was hoping to be done by August 1st is now gonna not be dont til like XMas

bdld · 09-22-2006, 11:49 AM

looks like he's taking you for a ride

squishypimp · 09-22-2006, 11:51 AM

yeah that is bad business on your programmers part....

Webby · 09-22-2006, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jscott

I hired a programmer over 2 months ago, and paid him half to do a job for me, i said there is no rush on it, and he said it'd take about a month in that case

i waited waited waited, finally got contacted saying some shit went wrong and he lost all the work he's done, i said ok that sucks, when will it be done now? he said 2-3 more weeks, and that was over a month ago

is this bad business or what? i think its bad. i mean, do i have to go nagging him for the work i paid for? shouldnt he hit me up telling me he's late again?

i'm getting pissed, about to ask for refund and go with someone else

Not good.

OK - shit can happen and code can get destroyed, but that is his problem and "may" be an indication of ineptitude. No programmer on this planet needs to lose a whole project even if media or whatever screws up - any programmer "should" have complete copies of their work at every stage.

He's now overdue for delivery again. Only my

but suspect it's time for a generous 7 day ultimatum or a refund check in the post.

jscott · 09-27-2006, 08:47 AM

Please hit me up if you are up for 1 programming project

here is what i am looking for

1. a deadline, a real fucking deadline, no bullshit, no personal problem excuses, no compute problems excuses, no my leg got cut off, i watched my son die, my dad got murdered, my pc blew up, my dog ate himself excuses please, just finish a job when you say you can finish

2. quality, not quickness, i want this job perfectly done, from an experienced programmer, not overcharged, quality should be a MUST anyways if you consider yourself a "real" programmer

3. please contact me, 130321510 or email webmaster AT nnboard.com

thanks

jayeff · 09-27-2006, 09:03 AM

It is pathetic and okay, the money involved is hugely different but then so is the work. I used to bring in multi-million dollar IT projects on time (in fact usually early), which meant keeping everyone from in-house programmers to third-party suppliers on track.

The point is it can be done and the reason most freelance programmers and designers earn themselves and their colleagues a bad reputation, is that the majority don't have the mindset to be their own bosses. Without someone riding them to work to schedule, they simply don't. On top of that, a lot have very little idea about quality control, and no clue about the potential damage it causes them when they simply leave clients high and dry.

Then again, many of their unhappy clients are reluctant to speak up, so much of that potential damage is avoided. Ten years on, you would expect us collectively to have a much better idea about who to work with, who to avoid. And it's largely our own fault we keep getting stiffed by flakes.

Price is another factor. Most of us want everything done on the cheap and a lot of programmers and designers are so anxious to work, they quote optimistically on already cheap rates. Instead of seeing this as a danger sign, many grab at the chance to save money, and end up hiring someone who realizes part-way through he made a bad deal. Often that person won't have enough ethical or business sense to learn for next time and see this job through.

DaddyHalbucks · 09-27-2006, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jscott

I hired a programmer over 2 months ago, and paid him half to do a job for me, i said there is no rush on it, and he said it'd take about a month in that case

You should have set a deadline, right upfront.

jscott · 09-27-2006, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

You should have set a deadline, right upfront.

i said no rush, take your time, august 1st would've been 1 full month (more than enough time) and he agreed that it would for sure be done before Aug 1st

so it wasnt supposed to take that long, but for sure we agreed before the 1st

E$_manager · 09-27-2006, 09:21 AM

It is always the same thing with disigners

jscott · 09-27-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cristie

It is always the same thing with disigners

my usual experiences with designers is usually great, let me know if you want i can refer you to 2 guys that have done great jobs for me on a consistent basis

darksoul · 09-27-2006, 09:29 AM

I think its been discussed a few times before why this happens.
Like jayeff said, people are cheap.
Most of you freak out when you hear prices starting at $60-$80/h.

gooddomains · 09-27-2006, 09:58 AM

always the same

Chio · 09-27-2006, 11:11 AM

YARGH! Tell me about it. I'm getting tired of flakes, excuses, getting delayed on projects, getting the run around, excuses, the time/money lost, things that are supposed to be done, and aren't, and the waiting, and the the time/money lost, and the the time/money lost, and the the time/money lost.

msan · 09-27-2006, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jscott

I hired a programmer over 2 months ago, and paid him half to do a job for me, i said there is no rush on it, and he said it'd take about a month in that case

i waited waited waited, finally got contacted saying some shit went wrong and he lost all the work he's done, i said ok that sucks, when will it be done now? he said 2-3 more weeks, and that was over a month ago

is this bad business or what? i think its bad. i mean, do i have to go nagging him for the work i paid for? shouldnt he hit me up telling me he's late again?

i'm getting pissed, about to ask for refund and go with someone else

Next time tell the programmer that the job is rush, set a deadline. Telling him it's no rush gives him freedom to slack off. When you finally nag him about the progress, he scrambles to find excuse why the work isn't done. It's best that you ask for refund and look for somebody else.

Violetta · 09-27-2006, 06:52 PM

Very bad business indeed

Mr_Wrong_Thread_Guy · 09-27-2006, 06:58 PM

Great Mexico pics, JFK!

tony286 · 09-27-2006, 07:00 PM

I would never pay the whole thing up front.

hoob · 09-27-2006, 08:05 PM

being a former programmer let me give you a tip. Never Ever give us a project to do without a deadline.

We are a different breed. We like to sit and think about things for a while. We like to write a bunch of shit down on paper making flow charts and stuff. And when we do finally get started on it... after we get half way done, we'll figure out a way to do it that would be so much cooler and then we'll start all over again.

Oh, and never trust us on time estimates. None of us are as good as we think we are. If we tell you it'll take 40 hours expect that to mean 60.

But when it's done it'll be cool.

OG LennyT · 09-27-2006, 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoob

being a former programmer let me give you a tip. Never Ever give us a project to do without a deadline.

We are a different breed. We like to sit and think about things for a while. We like to write a bunch of shit down on paper making flow charts and stuff. And when we do finally get started on it... after we get half way done, we'll figure out a way to do it that would be so much cooler and then we'll start all over again.

Oh, and never trust us on time estimates. None of us are as good as we think we are. If we tell you it'll take 40 hours expect that to mean 60.

But when it's done it'll be cool.

not his fault the programmer is still a fucking degenerate deadbeat

hoob · 09-27-2006, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dvd316

not his fault the programmer is still a fucking degenerate deadbeat

I never intended it to sound like it was. I'm just saying make sure to give the programmer a firm deadline. The phrase "no hurry" is the same as saying "fuck around with it as much as you want" in most programmers minds.

madawgz · 09-27-2006, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockatansky

Very bad business indeed

very true

jscott · 09-28-2006, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Wrong_Thread_Guy

Great Mexico pics, JFK!

your idea is lame

Nookster · 09-28-2006, 04:51 AM

Coming from a programmers perspective (mine) I have to agree with many here that when you state "no rush" it surely does mean that we can fuck around with it...but a deadline is a deadline. I always keep my deadlines. I have not once been late on ANY of my deadlines, and never will. I know what I'm capable of, the time it will take me to do so (I even factor in time spent fixing errors and such...and even time spent learning new things), and give a time schedule of when the project is projected for completion. You're definitely dealing with a slacking programmer.
Get a refund and get yourself a real programmer.

Nookster · 09-28-2006, 04:57 AM

And another thing...any competent computer savvy individual keeps back-ups of valuable files...specially programmers! He's definitely bs'in you man.

Dvae · 09-28-2006, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jscott

I hired a programmer over 2 months ago, and paid him half to do a job for me, i said there is no rush on it, and he said it'd take about a month in that case

i waited waited waited, finally got contacted saying some shit went wrong and he lost all the work he's done, i said ok that sucks, when will it be done now? he said 2-3 more weeks, and that was over a month ago

is this bad business or what? i think its bad. i mean, do i have to go nagging him for the work i paid for? shouldnt he hit me up telling me he's late again?

i'm getting pissed, about to ask for refund and go with someone else

My advice, learn to program yourself. Nothing like being able to put features in as you go along.
This can be a curse though as it never seems to end.

.

09-22-2006, 08:02 AM	#1
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	Is this bad business? I hired a programmer over 2 months ago, and paid him half to do a job for me, i said there is no rush on it, and he said it'd take about a month in that case i waited waited waited, finally got contacted saying some shit went wrong and he lost all the work he's done, i said ok that sucks, when will it be done now? he said 2-3 more weeks, and that was over a month ago is this bad business or what? i think its bad. i mean, do i have to go nagging him for the work i paid for? shouldnt he hit me up telling me he's late again? i'm getting pissed, about to ask for refund and go with someone else

09-22-2006, 08:09 AM	#4
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09-22-2006, 08:50 AM	#9
RayVega Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York ICQ#348007554 Posts: 4,212	Very bad business. I'd ask for a refund. Chances are he'll avoid you, But ask for one in any case maybe it'll put a flame under his ass. __________________ Ray "The Don" Vega Managing Director Private Equity Fund [email protected]

09-22-2006, 11:51 AM	#15
squishypimp PostMaster General Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 10,781	yeah that is bad business on your programmers part.... __________________ Signature For Sale

09-27-2006, 09:21 AM	#21
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09-22-2006, 08:03 AM	#2
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Man, from all the people i worked with in the past programmers by far were the most difficult to deal with. They dissapear on you, have all kinds of excuses etc. Im not sure whats wrong with those people.

09-22-2006, 08:09 AM	#3
fallenmuffin Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 8,170	Yeah, thats bad business. Ask him to show you what he currently has, a demo.. if he can't show you that then he has nothing demand a refund.

09-22-2006, 08:10 AM	#5
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	yea but i think it's fucked up that he's late a 2nd time on getting the job done, and he doesnt even fucking contact me to let me know, HE should contact ME! this is horrible!

09-22-2006, 08:12 AM	#6
JUSTB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: tampa Posts: 1,740	it's very bad business and unfortunately programmers are the absolute worst to get work out of

09-22-2006, 08:30 AM	#7
topshelfdesign Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 930	yup abd business! hit me up ill meet your deadline!

09-22-2006, 08:56 AM	#10
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	finding a good programmer is hard work.

09-22-2006, 11:05 AM	#13
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	i dont know, i'll see what the new excuse is tomorrow (i'll hit HIM up about it) and if still being shady i'll hit one of ya'lls up for the programming 1. sucks if i'll have to re-explain everything 2. sucks since the job i was hoping to be done by August 1st is now gonna not be dont til like XMas

09-22-2006, 11:49 AM	#14
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	looks like he's taking you for a ride

09-27-2006, 08:47 AM	#17
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	Please hit me up if you are up for 1 programming project here is what i am looking for 1. a deadline, a real fucking deadline, no bullshit, no personal problem excuses, no compute problems excuses, no my leg got cut off, i watched my son die, my dad got murdered, my pc blew up, my dog ate himself excuses please, just finish a job when you say you can finish 2. quality, not quickness, i want this job perfectly done, from an experienced programmer, not overcharged, quality should be a MUST anyways if you consider yourself a "real" programmer 3. please contact me, 130321510 or email webmaster AT nnboard.com thanks

09-27-2006, 09:03 AM	#18
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	It is pathetic and okay, the money involved is hugely different but then so is the work. I used to bring in multi-million dollar IT projects on time (in fact usually early), which meant keeping everyone from in-house programmers to third-party suppliers on track. The point is it can be done and the reason most freelance programmers and designers earn themselves and their colleagues a bad reputation, is that the majority don't have the mindset to be their own bosses. Without someone riding them to work to schedule, they simply don't. On top of that, a lot have very little idea about quality control, and no clue about the potential damage it causes them when they simply leave clients high and dry. Then again, many of their unhappy clients are reluctant to speak up, so much of that potential damage is avoided. Ten years on, you would expect us collectively to have a much better idea about who to work with, who to avoid. And it's largely our own fault we keep getting stiffed by flakes. Price is another factor. Most of us want everything done on the cheap and a lot of programmers and designers are so anxious to work, they quote optimistically on already cheap rates. Instead of seeing this as a danger sign, many grab at the chance to save money, and end up hiring someone who realizes part-way through he made a bad deal. Often that person won't have enough ethical or business sense to learn for next time and see this job through.

09-27-2006, 09:29 AM	#23
darksoul Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: /root/ Posts: 4,997	I think its been discussed a few times before why this happens. Like jayeff said, people are cheap. Most of you freak out when you hear prices starting at $60-$80/h. __________________ 1337 5y54\|)m1n: 157717888 BM-2cUBw4B2fgiYAfjkE7JvWaJMiUXD96n9tN Cambooth

09-27-2006, 09:58 AM	#24
gooddomains Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10,127	always the same

09-27-2006, 11:11 AM	#25
Chio Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ICQ: 39-183769 Posts: 8,002	YARGH! Tell me about it. I'm getting tired of flakes, excuses, getting delayed on projects, getting the run around, excuses, the time/money lost, things that are supposed to be done, and aren't, and the waiting, and the the time/money lost, and the the time/money lost, and the the time/money lost. __________________ I seo'd my hair yesterday and today it's pr7! RIP Texas Dreams Are you a content producer or program owner sick of tube sites? Contact me on ICQ: 39-183769

09-27-2006, 06:52 PM	#27
Violetta Affiliate Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 28,735	Very bad business indeed __________________ M&A Queen

09-27-2006, 06:58 PM	#28
Mr_Wrong_Thread_Guy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Go Fuck Yourself Posts: 87	Great Mexico pics, JFK!

09-27-2006, 07:00 PM	#29
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I would never pay the whole thing up front.

09-27-2006, 08:05 PM	#30
hoob Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 47	being a former programmer let me give you a tip. Never Ever give us a project to do without a deadline. We are a different breed. We like to sit and think about things for a while. We like to write a bunch of shit down on paper making flow charts and stuff. And when we do finally get started on it... after we get half way done, we'll figure out a way to do it that would be so much cooler and then we'll start all over again. Oh, and never trust us on time estimates. None of us are as good as we think we are. If we tell you it'll take 40 hours expect that to mean 60. But when it's done it'll be cool.

09-28-2006, 04:51 AM	#35
Nookster Confirmed IT Professional Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 3,744	Coming from a programmers perspective (mine) I have to agree with many here that when you state "no rush" it surely does mean that we can fuck around with it...but a deadline is a deadline. I always keep my deadlines. I have not once been late on ANY of my deadlines, and never will. I know what I'm capable of, the time it will take me to do so (I even factor in time spent fixing errors and such...and even time spent learning new things), and give a time schedule of when the project is projected for completion. You're definitely dealing with a slacking programmer. Get a refund and get yourself a real programmer. __________________ The Best Affiliate Software, Ever. Last edited by Nookster; 09-28-2006 at 04:53 AM..

09-28-2006, 04:57 AM	#36
Nookster Confirmed IT Professional Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 3,744	And another thing...any competent computer savvy individual keeps back-ups of valuable files...specially programmers! He's definitely bs'in you man. __________________ The Best Affiliate Software, Ever.