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  • jscott
    jscizzle
    • Feb 2001
    • 25418
    #1

    Is this bad business?

    I hired a programmer over 2 months ago, and paid him half to do a job for me, i said there is no rush on it, and he said it'd take about a month in that case

    i waited waited waited, finally got contacted saying some shit went wrong and he lost all the work he's done, i said ok that sucks, when will it be done now? he said 2-3 more weeks, and that was over a month ago

    is this bad business or what? i think its bad. i mean, do i have to go nagging him for the work i paid for? shouldnt he hit me up telling me he's late again?

    i'm getting pissed, about to ask for refund and go with someone else
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    • Dirty F
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jul 2001
      • 59204
      #2
      Man, from all the people i worked with in the past programmers by far were the most difficult to deal with. They dissapear on you, have all kinds of excuses etc.

      Im not sure whats wrong with those people.

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        • fallenmuffin
          Confirmed User
          • Nov 2005
          • 8170
          #3
          Yeah, thats bad business. Ask him to show you what he currently has, a demo.. if he can't show you that then he has nothing demand a refund.

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            • Sarah - GTS
              Confirmed User
              • Jul 2003
              • 1656
              #4
              Yes this is bad business, I would ask for a full refund and find someone else.
              Good luck!


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                • jscott
                  jscizzle
                  • Feb 2001
                  • 25418
                  #5
                  yea but i think it's fucked up that he's late a 2nd time on getting the job done, and he doesnt even fucking contact me to let me know, HE should contact ME!

                  this is horrible!
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                    • JUSTB
                      Registered User
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 1740
                      #6
                      it's very bad business and unfortunately programmers are the absolute worst to get work out of

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                        • topshelfdesign
                          Confirmed User
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 930
                          #7
                          yup abd business!

                          hit me up
                          ill meet your deadline!

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                            • cyberstar
                              Confirmed User
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 1263
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Franck
                              Man, from all the people i worked with in the past programmers by far were the most difficult to deal with. They dissapear on you, have all kinds of excuses etc.

                              Im not sure whats wrong with those people.
                              yep, they are definitely a different kind of breed ;-)

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                                • RayVega
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Jul 2004
                                  • 4212
                                  #9
                                  Very bad business. I'd ask for a refund. Chances are he'll avoid you, But ask for one in any case maybe it'll put a flame under his ass.
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                                    • Sosa
                                      In Tushy Land
                                      • Oct 2002
                                      • 40149
                                      #10
                                      finding a good programmer is hard work.

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                                        • Barefootsies
                                          Choice is an Illusion
                                          • Feb 2005
                                          • 42635
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Sosa
                                          finding a good programmer is hard work.

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                                            • Adult Search Results
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                                              • Sep 2006
                                              • 608
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by jscott
                                              I hired a programmer over 2 months ago, and paid him half to do a job for me, i said there is no rush on it, and he said it'd take about a month in that case

                                              i waited waited waited, finally got contacted saying some shit went wrong and he lost all the work he's done, i said ok that sucks, when will it be done now? he said 2-3 more weeks, and that was over a month ago

                                              is this bad business or what? i think its bad. i mean, do i have to go nagging him for the work i paid for? shouldnt he hit me up telling me he's late again?

                                              i'm getting pissed, about to ask for refund and go with someone else
                                              Programmers are notorious for being lazy and postponing things until you basically threaten them or something.. I've had too many bad experiences with them.
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                                                • jscott
                                                  jscizzle
                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                  • 25418
                                                  #13
                                                  i dont know, i'll see what the new excuse is tomorrow (i'll hit HIM up about it) and if still being shady i'll hit one of ya'lls up for the programming

                                                  1. sucks if i'll have to re-explain everything
                                                  2. sucks since the job i was hoping to be done by August 1st is now gonna not be dont til like XMas
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                                                    • bdld
                                                      $100,000
                                                      • Dec 2001
                                                      • 11452
                                                      #14
                                                      looks like he's taking you for a ride

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                                                        • squishypimp
                                                          PostMaster General
                                                          • Aug 2006
                                                          • 10781
                                                          #15
                                                          yeah that is bad business on your programmers part....

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                                                            • Webby
                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                              • 14956
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by jscott
                                                              I hired a programmer over 2 months ago, and paid him half to do a job for me, i said there is no rush on it, and he said it'd take about a month in that case

                                                              i waited waited waited, finally got contacted saying some shit went wrong and he lost all the work he's done, i said ok that sucks, when will it be done now? he said 2-3 more weeks, and that was over a month ago

                                                              is this bad business or what? i think its bad. i mean, do i have to go nagging him for the work i paid for? shouldnt he hit me up telling me he's late again?

                                                              i'm getting pissed, about to ask for refund and go with someone else
                                                              Not good.

                                                              OK - shit can happen and code can get destroyed, but that is his problem and "may" be an indication of ineptitude. No programmer on this planet needs to lose a whole project even if media or whatever screws up - any programmer "should" have complete copies of their work at every stage.

                                                              He's now overdue for delivery again. Only my but suspect it's time for a generous 7 day ultimatum or a refund check in the post.
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                                                                • jscott
                                                                  jscizzle
                                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                                  • 25418
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Please hit me up if you are up for 1 programming project

                                                                  here is what i am looking for

                                                                  1. a deadline, a real fucking deadline, no bullshit, no personal problem excuses, no compute problems excuses, no my leg got cut off, i watched my son die, my dad got murdered, my pc blew up, my dog ate himself excuses please, just finish a job when you say you can finish

                                                                  2. quality, not quickness, i want this job perfectly done, from an experienced programmer, not overcharged, quality should be a MUST anyways if you consider yourself a "real" programmer

                                                                  3. please contact me, 130321510 or email webmaster AT nnboard.com

                                                                  thanks
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                                                                    • jayeff
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                      • 2944
                                                                      #18
                                                                      It is pathetic and okay, the money involved is hugely different but then so is the work. I used to bring in multi-million dollar IT projects on time (in fact usually early), which meant keeping everyone from in-house programmers to third-party suppliers on track.

                                                                      The point is it can be done and the reason most freelance programmers and designers earn themselves and their colleagues a bad reputation, is that the majority don't have the mindset to be their own bosses. Without someone riding them to work to schedule, they simply don't. On top of that, a lot have very little idea about quality control, and no clue about the potential damage it causes them when they simply leave clients high and dry.

                                                                      Then again, many of their unhappy clients are reluctant to speak up, so much of that potential damage is avoided. Ten years on, you would expect us collectively to have a much better idea about who to work with, who to avoid. And it's largely our own fault we keep getting stiffed by flakes.

                                                                      Price is another factor. Most of us want everything done on the cheap and a lot of programmers and designers are so anxious to work, they quote optimistically on already cheap rates. Instead of seeing this as a danger sign, many grab at the chance to save money, and end up hiring someone who realizes part-way through he made a bad deal. Often that person won't have enough ethical or business sense to learn for next time and see this job through.

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                                                                        • DaddyHalbucks
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                                                                          • Feb 2004
                                                                          • 18975
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by jscott
                                                                          I hired a programmer over 2 months ago, and paid him half to do a job for me, i said there is no rush on it, and he said it'd take about a month in that case

                                                                          You should have set a deadline, right upfront.
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                                                                            • jscott
                                                                              jscizzle
                                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                                              • 25418
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by DaddyHalbucks
                                                                              You should have set a deadline, right upfront.
                                                                              i said no rush, take your time, august 1st would've been 1 full month (more than enough time) and he agreed that it would for sure be done before Aug 1st

                                                                              so it wasnt supposed to take that long, but for sure we agreed before the 1st
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                                                                                • E$_manager
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                                                                                  • Apr 2006
                                                                                  • 13557
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  It is always the same thing with disigners
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                                                                                    • jscott
                                                                                      jscizzle
                                                                                      • Feb 2001
                                                                                      • 25418
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Cristie
                                                                                      It is always the same thing with disigners
                                                                                      my usual experiences with designers is usually great, let me know if you want i can refer you to 2 guys that have done great jobs for me on a consistent basis
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                                                                                        • darksoul
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Apr 2002
                                                                                          • 4997
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          I think its been discussed a few times before why this happens.
                                                                                          Like jayeff said, people are cheap.
                                                                                          Most of you freak out when you hear prices starting at $60-$80/h.
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                                                                                            • gooddomains
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                                              • 10127
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              always the same

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                                                                                                • Chio
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                                  • 8002
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  YARGH! Tell me about it. I'm getting tired of flakes, excuses, getting delayed on projects, getting the run around, excuses, the time/money lost, things that are supposed to be done, and aren't, and the waiting, and the the time/money lost, and the the time/money lost, and the the time/money lost.

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                                                                                                    • msan
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Jun 2006
                                                                                                      • 1336
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by jscott
                                                                                                      I hired a programmer over 2 months ago, and paid him half to do a job for me, i said there is no rush on it, and he said it'd take about a month in that case

                                                                                                      i waited waited waited, finally got contacted saying some shit went wrong and he lost all the work he's done, i said ok that sucks, when will it be done now? he said 2-3 more weeks, and that was over a month ago

                                                                                                      is this bad business or what? i think its bad. i mean, do i have to go nagging him for the work i paid for? shouldnt he hit me up telling me he's late again?

                                                                                                      i'm getting pissed, about to ask for refund and go with someone else
                                                                                                      Next time tell the programmer that the job is rush, set a deadline. Telling him it's no rush gives him freedom to slack off. When you finally nag him about the progress, he scrambles to find excuse why the work isn't done. It's best that you ask for refund and look for somebody else.
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                                                                                                        • Violetta
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                                                                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                                                                          • 28735
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Very bad business indeed

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                                                                                                            • Mr_Wrong_Thread_Guy
                                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                                                                              • 87
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Great Mexico pics, JFK!

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                                                                                                                • tony299
                                                                                                                  lurker
                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                  • 57021
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  I would never pay the whole thing up front.

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                                                                                                                    • hoob
                                                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                                                      • May 2006
                                                                                                                      • 47
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      being a former programmer let me give you a tip. Never Ever give us a project to do without a deadline.

                                                                                                                      We are a different breed. We like to sit and think about things for a while. We like to write a bunch of shit down on paper making flow charts and stuff. And when we do finally get started on it... after we get half way done, we'll figure out a way to do it that would be so much cooler and then we'll start all over again.

                                                                                                                      Oh, and never trust us on time estimates. None of us are as good as we think we are. If we tell you it'll take 40 hours expect that to mean 60.

                                                                                                                      But when it's done it'll be cool.

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                                                                                                                        • OG LennyT
                                                                                                                          Wall Street Pimp
                                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                          • 14345
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by hoob
                                                                                                                          being a former programmer let me give you a tip. Never Ever give us a project to do without a deadline.

                                                                                                                          We are a different breed. We like to sit and think about things for a while. We like to write a bunch of shit down on paper making flow charts and stuff. And when we do finally get started on it... after we get half way done, we'll figure out a way to do it that would be so much cooler and then we'll start all over again.

                                                                                                                          Oh, and never trust us on time estimates. None of us are as good as we think we are. If we tell you it'll take 40 hours expect that to mean 60.

                                                                                                                          But when it's done it'll be cool.
                                                                                                                          not his fault the programmer is still a fucking degenerate deadbeat
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                                                                                                                            • hoob
                                                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                                                              • May 2006
                                                                                                                              • 47
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by dvd316
                                                                                                                              not his fault the programmer is still a fucking degenerate deadbeat
                                                                                                                              I never intended it to sound like it was. I'm just saying make sure to give the programmer a firm deadline. The phrase "no hurry" is the same as saying "fuck around with it as much as you want" in most programmers minds.

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                                                                                                                                • madawgz
                                                                                                                                  8.8.8.8
                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2006
                                                                                                                                  • 30509
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Rockatansky
                                                                                                                                  Very bad business indeed

                                                                                                                                  very true
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                                                                                                                                    • jscott
                                                                                                                                      jscizzle
                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 25418
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Mr_Wrong_Thread_Guy
                                                                                                                                      Great Mexico pics, JFK!
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                                                                                                                                        • Nookster
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed IT Professional
                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                          • 3744
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Coming from a programmers perspective (mine) I have to agree with many here that when you state "no rush" it surely does mean that we can fuck around with it...but a deadline is a deadline. I always keep my deadlines. I have not once been late on ANY of my deadlines, and never will. I know what I'm capable of, the time it will take me to do so (I even factor in time spent fixing errors and such...and even time spent learning new things), and give a time schedule of when the project is projected for completion. You're definitely dealing with a slacking programmer.
                                                                                                                                          Get a refund and get yourself a real programmer.
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                                                                                                                                            • Nookster
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                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                              • 3744
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              And another thing...any competent computer savvy individual keeps back-ups of valuable files...specially programmers! He's definitely bs'in you man.
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                                                                                                                                                • Dvae
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                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                  • 5326
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by jscott
                                                                                                                                                  I hired a programmer over 2 months ago, and paid him half to do a job for me, i said there is no rush on it, and he said it'd take about a month in that case

                                                                                                                                                  i waited waited waited, finally got contacted saying some shit went wrong and he lost all the work he's done, i said ok that sucks, when will it be done now? he said 2-3 more weeks, and that was over a month ago

                                                                                                                                                  is this bad business or what? i think its bad. i mean, do i have to go nagging him for the work i paid for? shouldnt he hit me up telling me he's late again?

                                                                                                                                                  i'm getting pissed, about to ask for refund and go with someone else

                                                                                                                                                  My advice, learn to program yourself. Nothing like being able to put features in as you go along.
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