Should IP addresses be PROPERTY or not? - GoFuckYourself.com

SplitInfinity · 09-19-2006, 03:37 PM

I am looking for anyone who has input on possibly the largest case
regarding internet numbering ever. This lawsuit may change the way
IP's are governed and adminstered.

For those interested, you may read this lawsuit here:
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:...s&ct=clnk&cd=1

I'm not so sure IP's should be property, but im also not sure of how they are being managed globally right now.

baddog · 09-19-2006, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SplitInfinity

I am looking for anyone who has input on possibly the largest case
regarding internet numbering ever. This lawsuit may change the way
IP's are governed and adminstered.

For those interested, you may read this lawsuit here:
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:...s&ct=clnk&cd=1

I'm not so sure IP's should be property, but im also not sure of how they are being managed globally right now.

your link sucks

squishypimp · 09-19-2006, 03:41 PM

bump for ARIN Reg's and their bastard ways.

GrouchyAdmin · 09-19-2006, 03:42 PM

You have your own ASN, and a bad link. Obviously you have portable netblocks, and are just trying to stir up shit in a vapid attempt to do another plug for your shitty service.

But, no, no, nonportable netblocks aren't property, and portable ones are.

squishypimp · 09-19-2006, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toonpornblog

You have your own ASN, and a bad link. Obviously you have portable netblocks, and are just trying to stir up shit in a vapid attempt to do another plug for your shitty service.

lol

Daruma · 09-19-2006, 03:44 PM

if they are property maybe you can sell them off to pay the bill for your next award ??

chaze · 09-19-2006, 03:46 PM

The link doesn't work.

SplitInfinity · 09-19-2006, 03:46 PM

Stir up shit?

UH, dork.

Anyways, this link may work better:
http://www.internetgovernance.org/pd...20vs%20arin%22

SplitInfinity · 09-19-2006, 03:49 PM

That is a big case people.... talk shit about me if you like, but the point I bring up is large. If this lawsuit succeeds it could change the way everything is on the net with IP's.

"But, no, no, nonportable netblocks aren't property, and portable ones are."
Uh, portable ones ARE NOT Property according to ARIN and the way it "is".

Read the filing, then come back when you are done talking shit and post your honest opinion of this. It's sorta scary how things "are".

TheJimmy · 09-19-2006, 04:06 PM

I'd think IPs should be 'property' as much as domains. It's basically a leased item. If you stop renewing the lease someone can auction or pick it up if you're not using it or you haven't sold or passed it along to another entity.

Thanks for the link though, I'll definitely take a read. I admit to being pretty clueless on the actual details behind IPs other than I like lots of them

and IPv6 is not nearly as cool as the old skool numbers...

SplitInfinity · 09-19-2006, 04:12 PM

The thing I dont like is how they force you to disclose VERY sensitive information just to obtain IP addresses. Like for example, they want your customer lists??? thats FUCKED up for them to ask for that. I have heard of lots of people having to do that.

TheJimmy · 09-19-2006, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SplitInfinity

The thing I dont like is how they force you to disclose VERY sensitive information just to obtain IP addresses. Like for example, they want your customer lists??? thats FUCKED up for them to ask for that. I have heard of lots of people having to do that.

I wonder how the canadian hosts handle that, I hear Canada has some VERY strict privacy laws.

SplitNinja · 09-19-2006, 04:39 PM

I dont know about Canada, but lacnic (we have a datacenter in latin america for offshore hosting) was very strict as well (finally, through a long process, we have got what we wanted) but they have many, many strict laws regarding ip addresses and property.

GrouchyAdmin · 09-19-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SplitInfinity

Uh, portable ones ARE NOT Property according to ARIN and the way it "is".

Read the filing, then come back when you are done talking shit and post your honest opinion of this. It's sorta scary how things "are".

It's never going to happen. Remember, they were trying to rid the world of ARIN, only to fall back upon it. The only thing this would do is make it so impossible that any asshole with a /32 gets/has to have it routed because it's 'personal'. That will never, ever, ever happen. Never.

Yeah, I attacked you this time; I was waiting for your 'But we'll fight this, with our 2509, until the end of time' as you cram a fufme into an orifice while listening to Rock You Like a Hurricane. My bad, this time.

kacy · 09-19-2006, 05:55 PM

We did not have to show our customers information, only that the IP's were being used by different customers. Yea, they do want alot of information, but I can see why with all the scammers on the net and fraud that goes on.

SplitInfinity · 09-20-2006, 05:15 PM

"Yeah, I attacked you this time; I was waiting for your 'But we'll fight this, with our 2509, until the end of time' as you cram a fufme into an orifice while listening to Rock You Like a Hurricane. My bad, this time."

VERY Respectable. :-)

09-19-2006, 03:37 PM	#1
SplitInfinity Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,047	Should IP addresses be PROPERTY or not? I am looking for anyone who has input on possibly the largest case regarding internet numbering ever. This lawsuit may change the way IP's are governed and adminstered. For those interested, you may read this lawsuit here: http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:...s&ct=clnk&cd=1 I'm not so sure IP's should be property, but im also not sure of how they are being managed globally right now.

09-19-2006, 03:41 PM	#3
squishypimp PostMaster General Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 10,781	bump for ARIN Reg's and their bastard ways. __________________ Signature For Sale

09-19-2006, 03:42 PM	#4
GrouchyAdmin Now choke yourself! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 12,085	You have your own ASN, and a bad link. Obviously you have portable netblocks, and are just trying to stir up shit in a vapid attempt to do another plug for your shitty service. But, no, no, nonportable netblocks aren't property, and portable ones are. __________________ AIM: GrouchyGfy

09-19-2006, 03:44 PM	#6
Daruma Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: PandaLand™ Posts: 3,494	if they are property maybe you can sell them off to pay the bill for your next award ?? __________________ RIP TD

09-19-2006, 04:06 PM	#10
TheJimmy ICQ- five seven 0 2 5 5 0 Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,747	I'd think IPs should be 'property' as much as domains. It's basically a leased item. If you stop renewing the lease someone can auction or pick it up if you're not using it or you haven't sold or passed it along to another entity. Thanks for the link though, I'll definitely take a read. I admit to being pretty clueless on the actual details behind IPs other than I like lots of them and IPv6 is not nearly as cool as the old skool numbers... __________________ Investor with 5m - 15m USD to invest. Do you have a site or network of sites earning 50k - 200k a month income? Email your contact and preliminary data to: domain.cashventures (at) gmail.com....Please...no tire kickers...serious offers and inquiries only.

09-19-2006, 03:46 PM	#7
chaze Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 9,752	The link doesn't work.

09-19-2006, 03:49 PM	#9
SplitInfinity Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,047	That is a big case people.... talk shit about me if you like, but the point I bring up is large. If this lawsuit succeeds it could change the way everything is on the net with IP's. "But, no, no, nonportable netblocks aren't property, and portable ones are." Uh, portable ones ARE NOT Property according to ARIN and the way it "is". Read the filing, then come back when you are done talking shit and post your honest opinion of this. It's sorta scary how things "are".

09-19-2006, 04:12 PM	#11
SplitInfinity Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,047	The thing I dont like is how they force you to disclose VERY sensitive information just to obtain IP addresses. Like for example, they want your customer lists??? thats FUCKED up for them to ask for that. I have heard of lots of people having to do that.

09-19-2006, 04:39 PM	#13
SplitNinja Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: San Diego Posts: 98	I dont know about Canada, but lacnic (we have a datacenter in latin america for offshore hosting) was very strict as well (finally, through a long process, we have got what we wanted) but they have many, many strict laws regarding ip addresses and property. __________________ SplitInfinity Networks - Smarter, Reliable Web Hosting. 2455 Otay Center Drive #118-21 San Diego, CA 92154 USA Aim: splitninja

09-19-2006, 05:55 PM	#15
kacy Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: So Cal Posts: 877	We did not have to show our customers information, only that the IP's were being used by different customers. Yea, they do want alot of information, but I can see why with all the scammers on the net and fraud that goes on. __________________ ~Kacy

09-20-2006, 05:15 PM	#16
SplitInfinity Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 3,047	"Yeah, I attacked you this time; I was waiting for your 'But we'll fight this, with our 2509, until the end of time' as you cram a fufme into an orifice while listening to Rock You Like a Hurricane. My bad, this time." VERY Respectable. :-)