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stickyfingerz 09-11-2006 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by John69
where's the video tapes of this so called 757 plane ?

why did the FBI take all video tapes and not show the public ?

Again I know what happened. It WAS a missle, and they took barbwire, and duct tape to use to attach all the pieces of the plane.

Forget about the eyewitness reports that saw the play zipping by towards the pentagon.

pocketkangaroo 09-11-2006 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz
Again I know what happened. It WAS a missle, and they took barbwire, and duct tape to use to attach all the pieces of the plane.

Forget about the eyewitness reports that saw the play zipping by towards the pentagon.

Did they fill the missle with body parts that people said they were picking up in the wreckage?:1orglaugh

John69 09-11-2006 07:58 PM

limit any investigation into the events of 9/11. * The NTSB never held inquiries into any of the 4 plane crashes, as required by law.

* Both President Bush and Vice-President Cheney took extraordinary steps to
limit any investigation into the events of 9/11.
* The NTSB never held inquiries into any of the 4 plane crashes, as required by law,
and the FBI is withholding the data from the airliner's flight recorders.
* All of the steel from the Twin Towers was shipped out of the country
before any investigation was held.

directfiesta 09-11-2006 07:59 PM

PM:

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Chertoff said he was the "senior researcher" of the piece. When asked if he was related to Michael Chertoff, he said, "I don't know." Clearly uncomfortable about discussing the matter further, he told me that all questions about the article should be put to the publicist ? the one who never answers the phone.

Benjamin's mother in Pelham, New York, however, was more willing to talk. Asked if Benjamin was related to the new Secretary of Homeland Security, Judy said, "Yes, of course, he is a cousin."

article
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Guy doesn't know if he is related .... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

pocketkangaroo 09-11-2006 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by John69
* All of the steel from the Twin Towers was shipped out of the country
before any investigation was held.

I know I'm not crazy, but they just showed the steel from the World Trade Center on TV being stored in some giant hangar in New York. They also have the last piece that they hauled off in some climate controlled room because it was symbolic and signed by all the rescue workers.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

pocketkangaroo 09-11-2006 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by John69
* Both President Bush and Vice-President Cheney took extraordinary steps to
limit any investigation into the events of 9/11.

The 9/11 commission was one of the largest and most complex inquiries into any event in US history. It was done at the request of the President and Congress. :error

John69 09-11-2006 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo
I know I'm not crazy, but they just showed the steel from the World Trade Center on TV being stored in some giant hangar in New York. They also have the last piece that they hauled off in some climate controlled room because it was symbolic and signed by all the rescue workers.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

i just seen a show where they dredged the water to make room for the shipping barges.


now back to the "NTSB" EXPLAIN THAT ONE :thumbsup

i would love to hear this explanation.

they have investigated every crash to date:

John69 09-11-2006 08:06 PM

NTSB ... anyone ?

pocketkangaroo 09-11-2006 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by John69
* The NTSB never held inquiries into any of the 4 plane crashes, as required by law,
and the FBI is withholding the data from the airliner's flight recorders.

That is because it is not under their jurisdiction. They do not handle criminal cases like this but do assist the FBI in their findings.

John69 09-11-2006 08:08 PM

The NTSB can reconstruct a plane hitting a Florida swamp at 450 miles per hour and find out what caused the crash and recover the black boxes, now they did not do anything for the 4 planes on 9/11 ....WHY ??????


And again NTSB Folks explain it..

John69 09-11-2006 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo
That is because it is not under their jurisdiction. They do not handle criminal cases like this but do assist the FBI in their findings.


they handle "ALL AIR CRASHES"

stickyfingerz 09-11-2006 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo
Did they fill the missle with body parts that people said they were picking up in the wreckage?:1orglaugh

yes Bush is the devil. I think they took people out and shoot them on runway. Then chopped up the plane and tied pieces to a missle, and stuff peoples arms and legs and teeth in missle body. Then Bush push button to launch missle at pentagon. It all make sense right?

MediaGuy 09-11-2006 08:16 PM

Whatever.

I don't care about the who what all that shit that all the conspiracies claim.

I saw those buildings collapse and thought: brilliant, they built them with charges to blow them in case something disastrous might happen. When the second one went down it confirmed it - i was expecting the explosions that are right there on video.

No building ever collapsed vertically so perfectly by accident - most demolition jobs are imperfect or at least hard to predict anyway, which is why there's usually a half-mile security radius cleared all around. They have a hard time getting them to come down so straight.

Whatever the rest of the theories are, the planes, the pentagon, the passengers... when the press and the government came out and told us the buildings fell because of the fire and the planes... I laughed. I thought they would be ridiculed out of office or at least into getting an independant review.

Never happened. Not one, but three buildings defy the odds of gravity, and the logic of physics, to come crashing vertically down from the half-haphazard distribution of low-intensity hydrocarbon fuel that maybe softens steel beams if fed with enough of the right combustible material for hours, which is apparently not even probable, and everyone thinks its "natural"?????????????

That's like flipping a quarter in the air and having it land on its edge three times in a row. Im-fucking-possible.

They lied about the buildings, the government "scientists" or whoever it was - just plain came out and gave us a load of complete and utter bullshit. And since we're not scientists, we have to believe it?!?

I saw something ridiculous once about holographic planes flying into the towers, and you know what? I think I'd read the whole thing now if I saw that again, 'cause it makes a hell of a fucking lot more sense than the official Bush government conspiracy theory.

pocketkangaroo 09-11-2006 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by John69
they handle "ALL AIR CRASHES"

No they don't. The NTSB handles accidents, the FBI handles crimes.

I am not going to take sides on this issue or what you are trying to prove. But this is how things work.

NTSB = accidents as well as support for the FBI in case of criminal investigation
FBI = criminal investigation
TSA = criminal while the plane is in the air.

That is the jurisdiction. If you don't like it, you will probably have to contact your government officials and ask them to change it.

directfiesta 09-11-2006 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo
The 9/11 commission was one of the largest and most complex inquiries into any event in US history. It was done at the request of the President and Congress. :error

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

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(CBS) President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/...in509096.shtml
Why do you guys always make claims like if it is the truth, but omit to back it up with proof ....

He was dead against it, Condi refused to testify under oath, as well as Cheney and Bush ...

Sure, he signed the document creating the commission along with the 2 chairman ( one GOP, one DEM ), but because he was cornered ....

I am sure you enjoyed Path to 9/11 .... just your type of information :2 cents:

pocketkangaroo 09-11-2006 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
:
Why do you guys always make claims like if it is the truth, but omit to back it up with proof ....

He was dead against it, Condi refused to testify under oath, as well as Cheney and Bush ...

Sure, he signed the document creating the commission along with the 2 chairman ( one GOP, one DEM ), but because he was cornered ....

I am sure you enjoyed Path to 9/11 .... just your type of information :2 cents:

I have backed up everything I have stated with proof. Your friend is the one who doesn't know jurisdiction and stating the US shipped all the steel overseas when they have a giant hangar that stores a ton of it, including the historic front part of the building. Maybe they completely reconstructed the steel and made it look like it was part of the building, but to me it looked like they were showing steel from the WTC.

As for the 9/11 report, I have no doubt that Bush didn't want it. It made him and his moronic administration look like idiots. Just like it made Clinton and his administration look like idiots. It wasn't a Republican/Democrat issue, both sides fucked up and it cost Americans thousands of innocent lives. He stated that Bush and Cheney took extroadinary steps to not have it. I don't believe anything he did was extroadinary and he gave in and allowed it anyways.

directfiesta 09-11-2006 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo
I have backed up everything I have stated with proof. Your friend is the one who doesn't know jurisdiction and stating the US shipped all the steel overseas when they have a giant hangar that stores a ton of it, including the historic front part of the building. Maybe they completely reconstructed the steel and made it look like it was part of the building, but to me it looked like they were showing steel from the WTC.

I never addressed that ... please read again, and again, and again till you understand :2 cents:

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo
As for the 9/11 report, I have no doubt that Bush didn't want it. It made him and his moronic administration look like idiots. Just like it made Clinton and his administration look like idiots. It wasn't a Republican/Democrat issue, both sides fucked up and it cost Americans thousands of innocent lives. He stated that Bush and Cheney took extroadinary steps to not have it. I don't believe anything he did was extroadinary and he gave in and allowed it anyways.

so it is not as you had originally wrote:

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo
It was done at the request of the President and Congress.

that led to believe that Bush was gong-Ho on having that commission .... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

BTW, I don't believe that Bush or the actual gov masterminded the 9/11 attacks .. that is way to far out in the left field, even for me...

What I do believe is :

- The New Century project was active
- Their goal was/is to " reformat " the middle east

- CIA agents were infiltrated in various terrorist organisations.
- Just as with the Florida bust, those operatives supplied means ( $$$ ) and facilitated the actual plan ( flight school, expired visas, etc ...) including possible targets
- Once the plan was executable, certain hawks of the admin let it play, to benefit from the aftermath
- When they were notified by many countries ( Mainly France and Saudia Arabia), the administration ignored those warnings

Bush didn't orchestrate this, he can't even orchestrate a simple sentence ....

Scootermuze 09-11-2006 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SwordFish

And that has what to do with my link?

pocketkangaroo 09-11-2006 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta
that led to believe that Bush was gong-Ho on having that commission .... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I'm sorry if you interpreted it that way. The 9/11 commission was technically requested by Congress and the President. Whether they were cornered into it, didn't want to, or cried as they did it, I was simply stating that they did ask request for it. I'm sorry if you felt I was trying to say he was gung-ho, as I'm certain he wasn't. I was more or less trying to say that his use of the word extroadinary was not right.

John69 09-11-2006 08:51 PM

http://www.debunking911.com/

this site is full of shit, good job on the goverments part to make it.

pocketkangaroo 09-11-2006 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta
BTW, I don't believe that Bush or the actual gov masterminded the 9/11 attacks .. that is way to far out in the left field, even for me...

What I do believe is :

- The New Century project was active
- Their goal was/is to " reformat " the middle east

- CIA agents were infiltrated in various terrorist organisations.
- Just as with the Florida bust, those operatives supplied means ( $$$ ) and facilitated the actual plan ( flight school, expired visas, etc ...) including possible targets
- Once the plan was executable, certain hawks of the admin let it play, to benefit from the aftermath
- When they were notified by many countries ( Mainly France and Saudia Arabia), the administration ignored those warnings

Bush didn't orchestrate this, he can't even orchestrate a simple sentence ....

I will agree that Bush is a moron, but I think we've all known he is really just a puppet for the neocons.

As for the conspiracy, I just don't think it happened. I truly think that the government is way too incompetent to pull anything like that off. We have seen what has gone on with Katrina and now Iraq. We have seen them go from terrorists to hunting down porn producers and internet gambling company owners. They are just that stupid.

I guess their sheer incompetence is the best defense for any sophisticated conspiracy they may have hatched.

Scootermuze 09-11-2006 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SwordFish
Those claims are completely untrue and have been thoroughly debunked.

http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

Dayem!!! Are you on M&M's or somethin??

I was refering to a plane that hit the wtc.. you give me a link to junk on the lawn of the pentagon..

ColourMeHuman 09-11-2006 09:45 PM

TOTAL AND COMPLETE PROOF 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB:

200+ 9/11 Smoking Guns (Found In the Mainstream Media)
http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html

TerrorStorm - A History Of Government Sponsored Terrorism

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...&q=terrorstorm

911 is not debatable after you learn the truth!

stickyfingerz 09-11-2006 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ColourMeHuman
TOTAL AND COMPLETE PROOF 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB:

200+ 9/11 Smoking Guns (Found In the Mainstream Media)
http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html

TerrorStorm - A History Of Government Sponsored Terrorism

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...&q=terrorstorm

911 is not debatable after you learn the truth!

Oh crap the cat is *mmmmeeeoooooowwww* out of the bag now. Your proof will change the world..... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

pocketkangaroo 09-11-2006 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz
Oh crap the cat is *mmmmeeeoooooowwww* out of the bag now. Your proof will change the world..... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Shit! Someone alert the presses!!!!!!!!1111eleven!!!!!11

Kevsh 09-11-2006 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodGuy
No conspirancy at all..

What we saw was real and simple. Bush attacked his own country like a fucking coward and killed more than 2000 innocent americans.. Of course there were some bad capitalist guys who died there too.. but most were innocent people killed by their own president.

No conspirancy, but FACT.

After all, this was all done to keep the DOLLAR strong, and thus the american economy strong. Nowadays the DOLLAR is greowing everyday. This was the best year for the DOLLAR, and it will probably keep growing. IF the 911 had never existed, today we would have 1 euro = 4 dollars at lest.

It's all about money.


You are so far in left field I don't know where to begin. But hey, people like you are why conspiracy theories get so much attention ... something about "one being born every minute"?

:upsidedow

1200mics 09-12-2006 07:26 AM

it's politicians fault,they should work for the people not for themselves ...


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