Is THIS The BIGGEST Example of Government Waste EVER? - GoFuckYourself.com

minusonebit · 09-09-2006, 08:19 PM

Future Be Warned: Keep Out!
By Vince Beiser| Also by this reporter
02:00 AM Sep, 07, 2006

A half-mile below the surface of the New Mexico desert, the federal government is interring thousands of tons of monstrously dangerous leftovers from its nuclear weapons program --plutonium-infested clothing, tools and chemical sludge that will remain potentially lethal for thousands of years to come.

It may be safely secured now, but how to keep our descendants centuries in the future from accidentally unearthing it?

Click here for images of the WIPP and proposed warning systems.
That's the question posed by the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant, the nation?s only underground repository for military-generated radioactive waste.

To address it, the Department of Energy convened a conclave of scientists, linguists, anthropologists and sci-fi thinkers to develop an elaborate system intended to shout "Danger!" to any human being for the next 10,000 years -- regardless of what language they speak or technology they use.

The resulting solution: an unprecedented and epic scale monument that's expected to take the next three decades and as much as $1 billion to complete. "Basically, we just want to make sure society doesn?t forget we're here," says Roger Nelson, WIPP's chief scientist.

It's going to be pretty obvious that something is there under the scrublands near Carlsbad. The waste site will be surrounded by a four-mile outer fence of dozens of 25-foot, 20-ton granite markers engraved with multi-lingual and pictographic warnings.

Inside that perimeter will be a massive earthen berm 33 feet high, forming a rectangle matching the footprint of the underground site.

The berm will be implanted with magnets and radar reflectors to make it obvious that it?s not a natural formation. A structure in the center of the space and two subterranean rooms will hold detailed information on the facility, and hundreds of super-hard disks printed with pictographic danger signs will be scattered throughout its 120 acres.

Construction of the full Stonehenge-like structure won?t start until WIPP is filled up, sometime in the mid-2030s. At that point, the underground site will be sealed and guarded for the next 100 years.

Prep work, however, is already underway.

"We looked at what messages had come from deep in time to the present, like the pyramids," explains David B. Givens, an anthropologist specializing in non-verbal communication who helped conceive the warning system. "It boils down to stones," he says -- the only medium so far to have established a track record of retaining messages for as long as 5,000 years.

That?s a good start, but still not enough. Scientists at WIPP are currently conducting tests to figure out whether they can develop materials that might last even longer.

Then there's the question of how to make the message itself comprehensible. Centuries from now, any modern language is likely to be as hard to understand as pre-medieval Pictish.

"Egyptian hieroglyphics lasted thousands of years, but it took us years of research to decipher them," says Givens. "We want ours to be self-explanatory."

That means pictures, as well as words.

The next step will be testing various pictograms on people from far-flung cultures to find some that are as universally legible as the "man" sign on an airport restroom.

Still, given the infinite unknowns of what society might look like millennia from now, there's every chance none of this will work -- and might even backfire.

"The pyramids were designed to keep people out, but wound up attracting them instead," points out Don Hancock, a spokesperson for the Southwest Research and Information Center, a New Mexico environmental group.

That's a particular concern, considering that there are probably large reserves of oil and natural gas underneath the waste site. "People are going to want to get to that, and markers are not going to keep them away," says Hancock.

Of course, there's one consolation. If the warning system doesnt work, none of us will be around to find out.

http://www.wirednews.com/news/culture/1,71724-0.html

nba4life2k · 09-09-2006, 08:29 PM

i read the first paragraph and thats it,, sorry bro just not very interested

KRL · 09-09-2006, 08:55 PM

Government waste is just a way to take money from the people's pockets and transfer that wealth to powerful multinational corporations and wealthy individuals who get government contracts bloated with enormous profits.

E$_manager · 09-09-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nba4life2k

i read the first paragraph and thats it,, sorry bro just not very interested

then why post here?

GrouchyAdmin · 09-09-2006, 09:32 PM

What? You think Yucca Mountain can hold all of it? My balls already glow in the dark - who needs a fucking night light? Just jerk until you get hard, and aim.

Really, for what we're paying, though - you have to wonder how long until they get the idea of firing it towards the heart of the sun. (and now our day's done, oooh-eee)

Webby · 09-09-2006, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cristie

then why post here?

It's just a mixture of the ostrich syndrome and could be a minor infection from patriotitus with a touch of nadaeducationitus thrown in.

PS.. But a need to be heard

Compdoctor · 09-09-2006, 09:39 PM

biggest waste was Bush and company

notabook · 09-09-2006, 09:45 PM

Space program: Biggest waste of money ever. It gave us 'space' blankets and Tang. That was totally worth the billions upon billions of dollars.

LiveDose · 09-09-2006, 10:04 PM

There are so many examples of government waste that would make you sick to your stomach. Those fuckers in Washington are a joke.

JD · 09-09-2006, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by toonpornblog

...My balls already glow in the dark...

DUDE! pics ASAP!

warlock5 · 09-09-2006, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KRL

Government waste is just a way to take money from the people's pockets and transfer that wealth to powerful multinational corporations and wealthy individuals who get government contracts bloated with enormous profits.

and in this case, also "sci-fi thinkers"

JOKER · 09-09-2006, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by KRL

Government waste is just a way to take money from the people's pockets and transfer that wealth to powerful multinational corporations and wealthy individuals who get government contracts bloated with enormous profits.

As in ... war?

After Shock Media · 09-10-2006, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by notabook

Space program: Biggest waste of money ever. It gave us 'space' blankets and Tang. That was totally worth the billions upon billions of dollars.

If you really think that then you may wish to actually pick up a book or at very least do some online research.

godisdead · 09-10-2006, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by notabook

Space program: Biggest waste of money ever. It gave us 'space' blankets and Tang. That was totally worth the billions upon billions of dollars.

This is not true! You also had a guy on the moon. I guess it was pretty exciting for him. Uhm, and they brought some rocks from the moon. Hmmm, what else ... teflon! Also don't forget these cool things that rotate you up to multitudes of g and make you vomit.

There's a nice essay called "What you can see and what you can't see." It's about how people only see what the government does with the money it gets. Like building schools and housing, but you don't see (and you never will) what else could have been done with that money. Usually private money is put to better use than government money. At least in general, and if not it's none of your business anyway, because it's not your money.

notabook · 09-10-2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

If you really think that then you may wish to actually pick up a book or at very least do some online research.

Oh excuse me. The space program also gave us Velcro. Oh dear god, where would we be without the Velcro????!!? WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN AND OLD PEOPLE? What would they do without Velcro for their shoes! Thanks multi billion dollar space program, you have saved us from shoe strings!

scottybuzz · 09-10-2006, 04:05 PM

not cool

PerrieBelle · 09-10-2006, 04:06 PM

wo.. that's a lot of writing! :|

Scootermuze · 09-10-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

If you really think that then you may wish to actually pick up a book or at very least do some online research.

Yeh really.. how ridiculous...
Tang already existed.. They just used the fact that astronauts used it to pump their marketing.. Geesh! how could that not be known.... ??

Matt 26z · 09-10-2006, 06:36 PM

How is this a waste? Believe it or not, almost all traces of American society will eventually be gone. The day would come when people from the future try to develop that land and unearth this deadly material we left behind.

BuggyG · 09-10-2006, 08:07 PM

hey.. why pay only $0.25 for roll of toilet paper
when they can pay 100$/roll

or however they spend it and pay exoberant fees for things "NORMAL" people would laff at the price

09-09-2006, 08:19 PM	#1
minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	Is THIS The BIGGEST Example of Government Waste EVER? Future Be Warned: Keep Out! By Vince Beiser\| Also by this reporter 02:00 AM Sep, 07, 2006 A half-mile below the surface of the New Mexico desert, the federal government is interring thousands of tons of monstrously dangerous leftovers from its nuclear weapons program --plutonium-infested clothing, tools and chemical sludge that will remain potentially lethal for thousands of years to come. It may be safely secured now, but how to keep our descendants centuries in the future from accidentally unearthing it? Click here for images of the WIPP and proposed warning systems. That's the question posed by the Waste Isolation Pilot Plant, the nation?s only underground repository for military-generated radioactive waste. To address it, the Department of Energy convened a conclave of scientists, linguists, anthropologists and sci-fi thinkers to develop an elaborate system intended to shout "Danger!" to any human being for the next 10,000 years -- regardless of what language they speak or technology they use. The resulting solution: an unprecedented and epic scale monument that's expected to take the next three decades and as much as $1 billion to complete. "Basically, we just want to make sure society doesn?t forget we're here," says Roger Nelson, WIPP's chief scientist. It's going to be pretty obvious that something is there under the scrublands near Carlsbad. The waste site will be surrounded by a four-mile outer fence of dozens of 25-foot, 20-ton granite markers engraved with multi-lingual and pictographic warnings. Inside that perimeter will be a massive earthen berm 33 feet high, forming a rectangle matching the footprint of the underground site. The berm will be implanted with magnets and radar reflectors to make it obvious that it?s not a natural formation. A structure in the center of the space and two subterranean rooms will hold detailed information on the facility, and hundreds of super-hard disks printed with pictographic danger signs will be scattered throughout its 120 acres. Construction of the full Stonehenge-like structure won?t start until WIPP is filled up, sometime in the mid-2030s. At that point, the underground site will be sealed and guarded for the next 100 years. Prep work, however, is already underway. "We looked at what messages had come from deep in time to the present, like the pyramids," explains David B. Givens, an anthropologist specializing in non-verbal communication who helped conceive the warning system. "It boils down to stones," he says -- the only medium so far to have established a track record of retaining messages for as long as 5,000 years. That?s a good start, but still not enough. Scientists at WIPP are currently conducting tests to figure out whether they can develop materials that might last even longer. Then there's the question of how to make the message itself comprehensible. Centuries from now, any modern language is likely to be as hard to understand as pre-medieval Pictish. "Egyptian hieroglyphics lasted thousands of years, but it took us years of research to decipher them," says Givens. "We want ours to be self-explanatory." That means pictures, as well as words. The next step will be testing various pictograms on people from far-flung cultures to find some that are as universally legible as the "man" sign on an airport restroom. Still, given the infinite unknowns of what society might look like millennia from now, there's every chance none of this will work -- and might even backfire. "The pyramids were designed to keep people out, but wound up attracting them instead," points out Don Hancock, a spokesperson for the Southwest Research and Information Center, a New Mexico environmental group. That's a particular concern, considering that there are probably large reserves of oil and natural gas underneath the waste site. "People are going to want to get to that, and markers are not going to keep them away," says Hancock. Of course, there's one consolation. If the warning system doesnt work, none of us will be around to find out. http://www.wirednews.com/news/culture/1,71724-0.html

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