You're sick. Some were in on it? So now you are saying that the innocent lives of people on that plane were in on it? That is just pathetic. There were children, families, mothers, fathers, sons, daughters on that flight. They were murdered in an act of terrorism. Show some respect for them and stop your ridiculous claims that "they were in on it".

Oh and something completely different. What according to all the freaks here would be the reason for Bush (?) to drop a missile in the Pentagon, plant bomb in the wtc, take down building 7 etc.

To start a war in Iraq?

2 planes flying in the wtc werent enough?

That guy is totally fucked in the head. As in seriously completely wacko.

Prove that 2 planes went into the WTC. All I saw was some holograms and fireworks. All the rescue stuff was filmed in a studio next to the one they filmed the moon landing on. Elvis and Tupac made cameos in it.

And why is it so fucking hard to believe a plane flew in the Pentagon. A plane was on its way to the capitol, 2 flew in the wtc towers. Why suddenly the pentagon one is really hard to believe?

The planes that hit the world trade centers were real, show me proof that a plane hit the pentagon and until then yes the US did make up a plane and people to have more reason to go to war

She me proof of a plane hitting the pentagon, and not the video of a low round missle about 10 feet from the ground, a 747 wouldnt be that low to the ground, Then you show me that proof then i will believe what the us idiots I mean government has to say about it

The proof is a plane leaving from an airport and the whereabouts of it being tracked to the Pentagon. Parts of the plane being found in the Pentagon. A giant hole in the Pentagon. Both black boxes coming from Flight 77 being found in the Pentagon, bodies that were identified with DNA by doctors that were on Flight 77 coming from the Pentagon, tons of witnesses who saw it happen, tons of witnesses who saw the wreckage, a video of it happening, independent scientific experts confirming it could happen, I could go on and on.

So you're stating that unless you have more proof than that, whatever you say happened. So I could say that the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima was not really a bomb but a smurf farting and until you prove me wrong, it should be recorded in history that a smurf having gas caused the lives of hundreds of thousands of people.

How about all the witnesses who saw the plane hit? Saw the wreckage? Collected the remains? Got the black boxes?

I can get you 50 witnesses that will tell you they saw a purple flying elephant, I'll get you a car tire and some toothpicks...

that doesn't mean that a purple elephant really flew into a car that shattered into toothpicks... does it?

But I can produce those things easily enough. Now a video it happening would be a little tougher.

All cia agents who are part of the conspiracy.

The funniest part about this statement is you calling the government idiots. The fact is, if your conspiracy theory was true, they would be the single most brilliant minds that have ever come upon human civilization. They would have effectively fooled almost every person in this world as well as every major media outlet that it was a plane. If they could pull off a hoax that large and that complicated with that many people involved, calling them idiots would seem hypocritical.

What about the plane parts, the bodies, the black boxes?

So all those people who saw a plane hit were delusional or in on the conspiracy too?

I agree that the government knows more than they're telling us and they COULD quell a lot of this conspiracy crap by releasing the full video of the plane hitting the pentagon instead of a few still frames (they're being their own worst enemy there). But I don't think for a minute that the government had a hand in 9/11.

What bothers me about conspiracy theorists is they take "evidence" that simply can't be explained or noone has an answer for and take that as concrete evidence.

Imagine a murder down the street from your house 8 months ago and you and you're neighbor are both being questioned by police at the same time. When asked about a specific day 8 months ago, your neighbor gives a full minute by minute account of his whereabouts for 24 hours. YOU on the other hand look at the cop and say, "For the love of god, that was 8 months ago man. Unless I was sick, I'm sure I was working during the day. Other than that I have no bloody idea."

Who looks more guilty? The guy with NO answers, or the guy with ALL the answers?

Those were inside the missle.

You don't seem to be able to distinguish between "conspiracy theorists" with full-blown alternatives to the official version of events, and people with often obvious questions about 911.

The secrecy issue alone has to raise more questions than it answers. Why exactly did the White House put so many roadblocks even in the way of sanctioned investigations? This isn't a police state or some private fiefdom.

As to the Pentagon itself: if that were any other hole in any other wall and someone tried to tell you that a plan crashed through it, I seriously doubt you would believe them without clear proof. Why do you demand lower standards from a government which has a solid record of lies and spin?

All those people? Any video/news article I've ever seen or read never even got close to 50 in the witness department.

I'm not saying that it was or wasn't a plane, either which way.... I'm just saying, if I can drum up 50 people to swear they saw something, I wonder what the government could get.

are you referring to the plane and engine parts that the makes of said parts deny is theirs?

you know rolls royce flat out denying the engine came from the plane that supposedly crashed into the building?

those are the parts you mean?

Im guessing reading comprehension was not your strong suit in school..it is ok i will type slower for you.

Read what i wrote again moron...anyone that was in on it..was let to live..and even though it is beyond you..some people have no problem killing others

believe it...it aint all lollipops and candy out in the world

Can somebody answer this?

I will tell you why they have roadblocks. First, it's just standard procedure. Agencies don't like talking when they don't have to. They like being secretive. It sucks, it's wrong, but it's been our government for as long as we've had it. Secondly, there are a lot of people who look bad because of this. Whether it's being unprepared, missing obvious signs, or so on, they fucked up. These people don't want to lose their jobs and don't want the public shame that comes with having incompetent people in government.

I worked for the government out of college. I'm not going to get into where or what, but I will tell you that it is a huge beauracracy. Shit takes forever to get done. I kid you not, if you needed to change your address, it would have to go through 5 departments and take 2 months.

The people on top are not very smart. Most are political appointees or people who just made the right connections. You would be astonished at how little knowledge my superior had over what I did. I couldn't ask him questions because he simply didn't know the answers.

So I guess what I'm saying is that the US government is not smart enough to pull something off. Look at Katrina.

The plane looked like a missile! At over 500 miles an hour anyone close enough to actually see anything would only see a blur.The plane that stuck the pentagon didn't have flaps down and they were not rotated for a nice gentle 160 mph runway landing.

Go to a racetrack and sit in the stands, watch when a car goes by you at 180.
IF you can even tell what color it was you are doing very good.

did you know that Bobby said Boo

if you were behind this...would you take the chance that it might not be enough?
i mean the chance to take all the gold...like 180 billion of it
get a pipeline built in iraq..afghan etc
take down building 7 so all the SEC investigations and SS, and RICO investigations about you disappear...at least for a decade or so.

i mean if you had all that on the line...what would you do?

So which ones from the list were "in on it"? I mean I'm assuming you are making this assumption based on some factual evidence, right? Can you show me one family that didn't receive remains that were tested with DNA by doctors? Can you show me one of the people that were "in on it" and still alive somewhere? Can you tell me where the plane landed considering it's location when it went off radar?

Point me to some articles please that can explain all your certainties.

why were 3 videos (ALL pointing at the pentagon) seized and later released only 5 frames of footage....1 empty frame of the pentagon, then the next four frames an explosion emmitting fromt he side of the pentagon.....now if a 747 was flying into a building at those speeds, that first frame would have caught the plane on tape....


not to mention when the videos were taken people were "encouraged" to no speak about it...\



now fuck the pentagon....there was no plane period, and they suck at trying to make it look like it ...IE the vintage turbine.



but about WTC...

why would fire fighters fabricate their experiences. the people that were blown apart and injured in the FIRST FUCKIN FLOOR!!

the people in the basement feeling explosions directly over their head...



I remember the day off watching the news....who else remembers all the back peddling the news gave us....first they found black boxes, then 19 minutes later, they were all wrong....all boxes vaporised,,,,



back to the pentagon.....supposedly the plane vaporised....all turbines and wings and what not....yet....something like 16 bodies found....

why a 16' round hole?? no wing holes....no lawn difigurement.... the frickin lampposts werent even damaged...


I seen the loose change video and many others....a couple of them said that flight 77 was escorted to some NASA outfit where all passengers were taken away......


now lets get to the war... where are the WOMD ?? where is Osama? you think they are that good at hiding him and them?

only thing found or taken is lives and Oil....

only person caught was Saddam....why....to overthrow his "government" and form our own....for the sake of oil....Africa would just be too hard to take...


Dude,.....this is fuckin America....we can do what ever we want....\

Thats whats scary...

Who posted anything about a missile?

the other planes were going at the same relative speed....anyone 500 meters away or so could have seen the plane....anyone 1km away would certainly have seen it...anyone 2kms away would have certainly had time to watch it

you may not be able to freeze frame it in your mind...but i bet you can watch it come and go by you with no issues

Or why they wouldnt of just used the same plane if they were going to kill those people anyways... lol

Sorry but if you believe a plane did not hit the pentagon you have issues.

explain how a supposed plane just picks lampposts out of the ground and throws them on the ground..when in other instances it had a much much different effect.

look for it yourself

That is because the part was made by Honeywell. It's an auxillary turbine. Of course Rolls Royce said the part wasn't theres, because it wasn't.

nice of ABC to go against the clinton name as the demos might put a clinton to the forefront of the race coming soon

dont be so easily spun

You do realize that 180 billion dollars in gold is 80 billion dollars more than the ENTIRE US GOLD RESERVE. Not to mention that 180 billion dollars in gold would be 60% of the entire worlds gold.

That part of you movie was de-bunked, and the makers of Loose Change took it out in the next version when they learned it was factually impossible. :winkwink:

please show us how much moneyis in the gold reserve...lol

no gov agency has been let into there since it was signed over to private interestes by Woodrow Wilson

HISTORY

also..it was gold belonging to many countries not just the usa

If no one has been in there and knows, how did you know it was 180 billion?

You do realize that 180 billion is 60% of all the worlds gold. Besides it being impossible to move, there has not been a single claim of missing gold.

You do also realize that the reserve DOESN'T OWN THE GOLD. They hold it for people and OTHER COUNTRIES. Do you not think other countries would be pissed to find out that their gold was missing? Also, don't you think the gold market would be a tad messed up if HALF THE GOLD IN THE WORLD WAS STOLEN.

Come on, use some common sense. Even the guys at Loose Change admitted this mistake and took it out of the video.

Watched the video still don't see a plane. Dosen't look like the planes hitting the world trade center. They fucking brought the thing down. The Pentagon had a little fucking hole in it. I know that was a piece of shit security cam that caught the supposed plane crash on, but still did not look like a plane.

http://www.rediff.com/money/2001/nov/17wtc.htm

You can find a similar article from almost every major news source in the world on the same topic.

Can you show me the articles of those claiming they lost their gold? I mean 180 billion in gold missing, someone would have to be pissed.

And for stats on gold, here is the World Gold Council. I do hope they aren't in on the conspiracy too.

http://www.gold.org/value/stats/stat...rve/index.html

Ya don't need similar crashes to apply the most basic of physics..

Kinda strange that the point of impact was where the nose of the plane supposedly stuck.. Where a hole in a bomb resistent building was made by a nose made of very thin metal, yet 2, 6 ton engines.. both away from the hole, didn't even leave a mark..

If this was such a bomb resistent buidling, there shouldn't have been a hole at all..

and just to toss this in.. the report says the impact was on the first floor... no way in Hell a 757 could enter a bldg. that low.. The fuselage itself is higher than the first floor even sitting on the ground..

WHy is is that every question i have you answer with a question. You have absolutely no answers whatsoever. Youre an idiot.

Phoenix:

Lets say the goverment is behind this. Why they let 2 planes hit the WTC and for the pentagon they use a missile and covered it up with a plane. Made up 60 passengers and their lives and their families. Made up the whole fucking plane etc. Why not just let the plane hit the Pentagon, just like the WTC. Wouldve been way easier wouldnt it?

So were almost at page 3 and like i said nobody can answer where that plane and its passengers went.

Only loose change this and loose change that blah blah

How pathetic.

Cant you see that the fact that you cant explain where that plane went says way more than 10 hours of that idiotic video and 100 of your stupid theories?

Yes please listen to him, his initial post in this thread was directed towards conspiracy wack jobs such as yourself.

Seeing as Pratt & Whitney also builds engines for 757s, it's not so hard to believe that Rolls-Royce would deny building an engine that P&W built...

Didnt leave a mark? do you recall what the pentagon looked like?

Bomb-resistant is not the same as bomb-proof, meaning that if this plane crashed into your house the result would be alot worse.

meh.. the diameter of a 757 fuselage is less than 13' (http://www.boeing.com/commercial/757...technical.html, so, it's not hard to believe that the majority of the plane clould enter on the first floor.

Yep.. This is a pic showing just left of the impact point... Nowhere can you see where a wing or engine would have struck..

There was a 6' high cable spool in the path of the supposed plane.. The spool wasn't touched, which means the plane would had to have flown over it; putting the top of the fuselage at least 20' off the ground.. well into the second story..

Some rather interesting information here if one would actually take the time to read it.. Much more involved than a losely written, "official report"..

OK it was a plane that hit the Pentagon ??? where did the plane wreckage and passengers go...?????

hey franck - aliens exist and freemasons run the world.

Frank read this from todays MSNBC

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14723997/