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elitegirls · 09-06-2006, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Already have. I stopped paying in 1999. Oh, and did I mention I routinely cheat on state sales tax too? You wouldnt belive the number and scope of the items I purchase for "farm use". The government lost the right to tax me when it stopped representing me. No taxation without representation.

No taxation without representation!!!

don't be fooled, don't pay!

elitegirls · 09-06-2006, 07:26 PM

9/11 what most likly happend click

sleeves · 09-06-2006, 07:37 PM

You'd have a hell of a fight on your hands to try and prove anything like that. A few years ago a friend of the family got caught after years of tax evasion.

He was a restaurant owner that had been cheating on his taxes for something like 20 years. He ended up having his house and cars seized and did 3 years in minimum security prison. He was a guy that worked in a cash business and never thought twice about pocketing most of it.

Now he's 66 years old and having to work a full time job because they took everything from him. Imo the gamble isnt worth the risk.

Chris Corn · 09-06-2006, 07:54 PM

Does anyone have any information regarding how this affects Canada specifically? Taxes or otherwise.

Webby · 09-06-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Corn

Does anyone have any information regarding how this affects Canada specifically? Taxes or otherwise.

Believe this is really a US issue over the "oversight" (or non-oversight) of private corps originally formed to collect taxes in the US which was prob illegal at the time - but may have become legitimized by a mish mash of legislation since that time. Least that's what the govt would argue.

Was a long time ago was reading about the history of this - involved some weirdo stuff and ranged from Puerto Rico to Washington and creating an "independent 'state' within a state" and the formation of private corps within that 'state" (in the Washington area) to ensure assets could not be attacked. There were obviously schemers (or scammers) at work then who would be in court on conspiracy charges if that ever happened in current times

Very unconventional conduct for a govt, but hey - it was the land of opportunity then

BradM · 09-06-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

The federal reserve is illegal, and income taxes are also illegal.

See "The 861 Evidence", mirrored here. The IRS has been busy shutting sites down that distribute this stuff.

http://web6.streamhoster.com/vinyasi...and/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_Revenue_Code_861

That was frightening.

Red Ezra · 09-06-2006, 09:19 PM

Green tea Makes you pee a lot

minusonebit · 09-07-2006, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Corn

Does anyone have any information regarding how this affects Canada specifically? Taxes or otherwise.

I dont think it does at all. If you have no presence here, they have no ability to tax you. Just like US residents dont have to pay Canada's VAT.

micker · 09-07-2006, 06:29 AM

wait a second elitegirls, you're not even in the us and you're trying to tell us what we should and shouldnt do as americans... go fuck yourself

elitegirls · 09-07-2006, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by micker

wait a second elitegirls, you're not even in the us and you're trying to tell us what we should and shouldnt do as americans... go fuck yourself

yeah i do so, because i know the rules, the laws and your mofos don't but you nearly all obey to what the IRS says.. so go fuck yourself first!

if you don't trust me, trust minusonebit, he knows i'm right.

Chris Corn · 09-07-2006, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

I dont think it does at all. If you have no presence here, they have no ability to tax you. Just like US residents dont have to pay Canada's VAT.

Not exactly what I meant. I was wondering if there were any laws in Canada like the US which makes it illegal fo collect taxes on income and if the system was from a federal reserve. As far as I know of the Canadian gov still prints the money at the mint which is owned by the government? Regarldess we still answer to the US and if the US has a recession so will we.

elitegirls · 09-07-2006, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Corn

Not exactly what I meant. I was wondering if there were any laws in Canada like the US which makes it illegal fo collect taxes on income and if the system was from a federal reserve. As far as I know of the Canadian gov still prints the money at the mint which is owned by the government? Regarldess we still answer to the US and if the US has a recession so will we.

You're so right :/

elitegirls · 09-07-2006, 10:28 AM

bump !!!

czarina · 09-07-2006, 11:26 AM

Only two things in life are certain. Death and taxes

wdsguy · 09-07-2006, 11:44 AM

taxes? what taxes?

Ron Bennett · 09-07-2006, 12:08 PM

Firstly, many people who advocate not paying U.S. Federal taxes earn so little income that the IRS likely doesn't even notice; if they do, won't bother pursuing the matter.

Secondly, the "elite" (people in power) make the rules ... the laws are smoke and mirrors for the average joe schmoe - giving people a sense they have protected rights when they often don't...

See how far the 4th amendment gets one if they are growing cannabis (marijuana) in the privacy of their own home ...

See how far the 1st amendment gets one who merely possesses (not even talking a producer) of "obscene" material, which itself isn't clearly defined; it's whatever the "elite" considers it to be for their convenience ...

Rights to a fair trial don't apply to all U.S. citizens; secret laws, secret trials, secret prisons ... all very spooky - sounds like the former U.S.S.R. and yet this is America 2006 ... and to be real, such shanagans isn't new, but has further expanded in the past 10 years; the Clinton administration were no saints either in that they allowed / supported such activities too.

In a nutshell, the law is what the "elite" (people in power) say they are to fit their agenda. All this talk about the U.S. Federal income tax being Constitutional or not doesn't mean diddly to them...

Sure occasionally a person here and there gets lucky challenging a law they disagree with, but that's about the same odds as winning the lottery, and it will likely cost that much too in time and effort - it's a gamble most people realistically aren't able to take and thus they are basically forced to tow the line ... ie. pay taxes as directed.

Ron

juz · 09-07-2006, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elitegirls

I live in Germany and pay my taxes here, I've to do so, because it's German law.

America has no law for income taxes!

Hmmm quite funny a foreigner telling us about our laws and how stupid we are for following something that isnt really a law...

Oh wait whats this? The US Constitution
I guess she forgot read the 16 Amendment

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

Next time do your own research instead copy and pasting some propaganda and taking it as fact

sixxxthsense · 09-07-2006, 03:14 PM

minusonebit is the only one with balls on this board!!!

minusonebit · 09-07-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Bennett

Firstly, many people who advocate not paying U.S. Federal taxes earn so little income that the IRS likely doesn't even notice; if they do, won't bother pursuing the matter.

Secondly, the "elite" (people in power) make the rules ... the laws are smoke and mirrors for the average joe schmoe - giving people a sense they have protected rights when they often don't...

See how far the 4th amendment gets one if they are growing cannabis (marijuana) in the privacy of their own home ...

See how far the 1st amendment gets one who merely possesses (not even talking a producer) of "obscene" material, which itself isn't clearly defined; it's whatever the "elite" considers it to be for their convenience ...

Rights to a fair trial don't apply to all U.S. citizens; secret laws, secret trials, secret prisons ... all very spooky - sounds like the former U.S.S.R. and yet this is America 2006 ... and to be real, such shanagans isn't new, but has further expanded in the past 10 years; the Clinton administration were no saints either in that they allowed / supported such activities too.

In a nutshell, the law is what the "elite" (people in power) say they are to fit their agenda. All this talk about the U.S. Federal income tax being Constitutional or not doesn't mean diddly to them...

Sure occasionally a person here and there gets lucky challenging a law they disagree with, but that's about the same odds as winning the lottery, and it will likely cost that much too in time and effort - it's a gamble most people realistically aren't able to take and thus they are basically forced to tow the line ... ie. pay taxes as directed.

Ron

Alot of this is true, but not the part about the IRS not coming after small cheats. Not too long ago, they came after someone over a few hundred bucks a couple of miles away from me. And the people in power think they are in power, but they really arent. They answer to the people if they would just excercise thier right to hold people accountable.

The fact of the matter is, the very first time that the government put some scam into play like a federal reserve bank or the income tax, the government should have been overthrown at once and the heads of state executed for treason. The problem today is no one wants to take drastic action, everyone wants to be a moderate and they would much rather have a few hundred circle jerk meetings than do anything sensible or productive like eliminate a problem once and for all.

Back in the old days, mayors and other comminity leaders worried about keeping enough people happy to stay alive. Because they knew that if they didnt, they'd be drug out into the streets and strung up, or gunned down or gotten rid of by an angry mob of citizens.

Chris Corn · 09-07-2006, 05:26 PM

Canadian information regarding the same topic:

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/newsroom/myths/menu-e.html#m1

Webby · 09-07-2006, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by juz

Hmmm quite funny a foreigner telling us about our laws and how stupid we are for following something that isnt really a law...

Oh wait whats this? The US Constitution
I guess she forgot read the 16 Amendment

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

Next time do your own research instead copy and pasting some propaganda and taking it as fact

I think you need to do a bit more research on your own

Nobody is contesting the Constitution. The issue is over "whatever source derived" where lawyers appear to be claiming the "source" is specified in tax regulations (foreign investments, interest blah) but they are unable to find any law passed by Congress which would apply to the average US citizen. When asked, the IRS are unable to point this law out and avoid the question.

elitegirls · 09-07-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by juz

Hmmm quite funny a foreigner telling us about our laws and how stupid we are for following something that isnt really a law...

Oh wait whats this? The US Constitution
I guess she forgot read the 16 Amendment

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

Next time do your own research instead copy and pasting some propaganda and taking it as fact

@ juz: and you should not copy & paste from wikipedia without reading few lines around your copied text:

Quote:

In the case of Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co.[6], the Supreme Court declared taxes on income from property under the 1894 Act to be unconstitutional unapportioned direct taxes. The Court reasoned that a tax on income from property should be treated as a tax on "property by reason of its ownership," and should therefore be required to be apportioned. The reasoning was that taxes on the rents from land, the dividends from stocks and so on burdened the property generating the income in the same way that a tax on "property by reason of its ownership" burdened that property.

Chris Corn · 09-07-2006, 05:39 PM

I hate tax.

elitegirls · 09-07-2006, 06:04 PM

yes me too.. then move to USA there you don't have to pay tax!

tranza · 09-07-2006, 06:21 PM

I thought everyone out there, in the whole world, had to pay taxes.

Am I wrong here?

elitegirls · 09-07-2006, 06:30 PM

there no taxes in dubai, hong kong, monaco, on the bvis, all have flat taxes, eg 500 bucks / year.

other countries have flat taxes, 10% everybody.

but the us constitution 16. amendment states that no one never should take direct taxes from labour! ones one labour must be free. otherwise your just a SLAVE. so no direct income tax for normal workes. (no taxes on wages/labor)
and no taxes without represantation.

thats it.. don't pay unless they show you the law, where it says you have to!

ry0t · 09-07-2006, 06:32 PM

If you do not pay taxes and live in the US get the fuck out of my country.

Webby · 09-07-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tranza

I thought everyone out there, in the whole world, had to pay taxes.

Am I wrong here?

Prob in most countries tranza - and at least to the level of some form of sales tax. But no, - there are several fine countries where it's possible to legally not pay corporate and personal taxation. I've never paid personal taxes or any taxation on any corps for years. Just takes some organizing and making yourself "free" to enable this.

minusonebit · 09-07-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ry0t

If you do not pay taxes and live in the US get the fuck out of my country.

YOUR country? And what the fuck have you done, if I may ask, to have the right to proclaim this to be YOUR country? Have you made any contributions other than being a sheeple and mindlessly following the establishment like a lost puppy?

Scootermuze · 09-07-2006, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by juz

Hmmm quite funny a foreigner telling us about our laws and how stupid we are for following something that isnt really a law...

Oh wait whats this? The US Constitution
I guess she forgot read the 16 Amendment

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

Next time do your own research instead copy and pasting some propaganda and taking it as fact

Perhaps you should do a bit of research yourself...

The 16th amendment gave Congress no new taxation powers as it is limited by Article I, Section 2, Clause 3:

Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States?.

And Article I, Section 9, Clause 4:

No Capitation, or other direct Tax, shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration?.

Info

Ya can't just pull little paragraphs out of the constitution.. Ya gotta.... reasearch... Laws are tied together with other laws..

tony286 · 09-07-2006, 08:47 PM

I pay, when I pay I think about my older relatives and parents that benefit from it. To fight the government is a losing battle.

Scootermuze · 09-07-2006, 08:51 PM

What is really funny is the conflict on interest when it comes to tax courts...

The federal prosecutor is an employee of the client.. as is the judge..

Definitely no bias involved there..

CDSmith · 09-07-2006, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by elitegirls

thats it.. don't pay unless they show you the law, where it says you have to!

If anyone is dumb enough to actually listen to your advice and they refuse to pay their taxes they will end up getting arrested.

Good plan.

Got any investment advice?

elitegirls · 09-08-2006, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

I pay, when I pay I think about my older relatives and parents that benefit from it. To fight the government is a losing battle.

no one benefit from yout taxes, all taxes of the american citizens are going to pay the interest on your debt!

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

The estimated population of the United States is 299,462,987
so each citizen's share of this debt is $28,496.97.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.75 billion per day since September 30, 2005!

elitegirls · 09-08-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

If anyone is dumb enough to actually listen to your advice and they refuse to pay their taxes they will end up getting arrested.

Good plan.

Got any investment advice?

CDSmith, you're now officially a dumb ass

elitegirls · 09-08-2006, 12:36 PM

bump 4 all the silly tax p4y3r5

Lykos · 09-08-2006, 12:48 PM

always

cosis · 09-08-2006, 01:06 PM

pay your taxes, it will eventually catch up to you and you will be fucked for life

Forest · 09-08-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fallenmuffin

Florida doesn't have income tax...so its all groovy baby

No state income tax

but you still have to pay the feds

Forest · 09-08-2006, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by micker

wait a second elitegirls, you're not even in the us and you're trying to tell us what we should and shouldnt do as americans... go fuck yourself

Thank You!

Forest · 09-08-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sixxxthsense

minusonebit is the only one with balls on this board!!!

LOL

coming from a canadian

Do u pay your taxes in canada?

CDSmith · 09-08-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by elitegirls

CDSmith, you're now officially a dumb ass

What, you think people won't be arrested for refusing to pay their taxes?

Who's the dumbass again?

Let's all laugh at the dumbass

minusonebit · 09-09-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

I pay, when I pay I think about my older relatives and parents that benefit from it. To fight the government is a losing battle.

What about the government contractors who get fat? Do you think of them, too? Because for every penny you put into your parents and relatives pockets, you're putting $100 into thiers.

elitegirls · 09-09-2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

What, you think people won't be arrested for refusing to pay their taxes?

Who's the dumbass again?

Let's all laugh at the dumbass

you're a typical dumb amercian idiot, don't knowning the constitution of the land he lives in. so stfu and die or wake up and save your country you're maybe so proud of?!

okay?! thx

enough said!

bdld · 09-09-2006, 03:08 PM

i'll be paying and i'll be sure to pay extra just in case like i always do.

quiet · 09-09-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by elitegirls

you're a typical dumb amercian idiot, don't knowning the constitution of the land he lives in. so stfu and die or wake up and save your country you're maybe so proud of?!

okay?! thx

enough said!

cd, you stupid fucking american!

"I am from Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada"

CDSmith · 09-09-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by quiet

cd, you stupid fucking american!

"I am from Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada"

Elitegirls ---
So... are you really saying a person in the US won't be arrested if they refuse to pay their taxes?

2nd question: Are you older or younger than 15? :D

Dvae · 09-09-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Already have. I stopped paying in 1999. Oh, and did I mention I routinely cheat on state sales tax too? You wouldnt belive the number and scope of the items I purchase for "farm use". The government lost the right to tax me when it stopped representing me. No taxation without representation.

You look good in prison. To your right is a cell for Webby.
Bubba's got fresh meat, life is good.

.

elitegirls · 09-10-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

Elitegirls ---
So... are you really saying a person in the US won't be arrested if they refuse to pay their taxes?

2nd question: Are you older or younger than 15? :D

So you admit, CDsmithy, that you don't know the constitution of the land you live in?

Webby · 09-10-2006, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dvae

You look good in prison. To your right is a cell for Webby.

Moi?? I'm a good boy and do legal stuff and don't live in a police state

We can't all have this good fortune - keep working and paying your taxes

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sleeves Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 324	You'd have a hell of a fight on your hands to try and prove anything like that. A few years ago a friend of the family got caught after years of tax evasion. He was a restaurant owner that had been cheating on his taxes for something like 20 years. He ended up having his house and cars seized and did 3 years in minimum security prison. He was a guy that worked in a cash business and never thought twice about pocketing most of it. Now he's 66 years old and having to work a full time job because they took everything from him. Imo the gamble isnt worth the risk. __________________ [email protected] icq: 202-550-839

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Ron Bennett Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,653	Firstly, many people who advocate not paying U.S. Federal taxes earn so little income that the IRS likely doesn't even notice; if they do, won't bother pursuing the matter. Secondly, the "elite" (people in power) make the rules ... the laws are smoke and mirrors for the average joe schmoe - giving people a sense they have protected rights when they often don't... See how far the 4th amendment gets one if they are growing cannabis (marijuana) in the privacy of their own home ... See how far the 1st amendment gets one who merely possesses (not even talking a producer) of "obscene" material, which itself isn't clearly defined; it's whatever the "elite" considers it to be for their convenience ... Rights to a fair trial don't apply to all U.S. citizens; secret laws, secret trials, secret prisons ... all very spooky - sounds like the former U.S.S.R. and yet this is America 2006 ... and to be real, such shanagans isn't new, but has further expanded in the past 10 years; the Clinton administration were no saints either in that they allowed / supported such activities too. In a nutshell, the law is what the "elite" (people in power) say they are to fit their agenda. All this talk about the U.S. Federal income tax being Constitutional or not doesn't mean diddly to them... Sure occasionally a person here and there gets lucky challenging a law they disagree with, but that's about the same odds as winning the lottery, and it will likely cost that much too in time and effort - it's a gamble most people realistically aren't able to take and thus they are basically forced to tow the line ... ie. pay taxes as directed. Ron __________________ Domagon - Website Management and Domain Name Sales

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elitegirls Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 962	there no taxes in dubai, hong kong, monaco, on the bvis, all have flat taxes, eg 500 bucks / year. other countries have flat taxes, 10% everybody. but the us constitution 16. amendment states that no one never should take direct taxes from labour! ones one labour must be free. otherwise your just a SLAVE. so no direct income tax for normal workes. (no taxes on wages/labor) and no taxes without represantation. thats it.. don't pay unless they show you the law, where it says you have to! __________________

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ry0t So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 4,160	If you do not pay taxes and live in the US get the fuck out of my country.

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Scootermuze Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,513	What is really funny is the conflict on interest when it comes to tax courts... The federal prosecutor is an employee of the client.. as is the judge.. Definitely no bias involved there..

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