BIZ THREAD ---You notice alot of people jumping in and opening New Programs.... - GoFuckYourself.com

Juicy D. Links · 08-28-2006, 02:57 PM

You notice alot of people jumping in and opening New Programs....

without knowing the basics?

Internal traffic generation , Existing traffic already , and know how how to accomplish these?

Dont ya think having your own network of traffic is a essential and learning the basics (tgps, seo, blgos ) and so on is essential?

Thoughts?

pocketkangaroo · 08-28-2006, 02:58 PM

I think so. I wouldn't open a program without having a lot of traffic of my own that I could push toward it.

Solid Bob · 08-28-2006, 02:58 PM

Lifes a dance you learn as you go
Sometimes you lead, sometimes you follow
Don't worry bout what you don't know
Lifes a dance you learn as you go

L0rdJuni0r · 08-28-2006, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solid Bob

Lifes a dance you learn as you go
Sometimes you lead, sometimes you follow
Don't worry bout what you don't know
Lifes a dance you learn as you go

words of wisdom

MetaMan · 08-28-2006, 03:06 PM

i would think you would almost have to be insane to open a program without your own traffic souce, unless of course you had the $ amount to quickly build it.

i am not even thinking about developing my own program until i have a network of sites that can sustain a level of joins across the board and in different niches.

Violetta · 08-28-2006, 03:35 PM

It is for sure not easy to start an affiliate program! It takes shitloads of time and money! But for every affiliate you get, more traffic comes in!

Scott McD · 08-28-2006, 03:38 PM

Ok who hacked Juicy's password and made a serious thread ??

Klen · 08-28-2006, 03:39 PM

Hehe.Well i dont know i didnt notice new program in latest time

BradM · 08-28-2006, 03:42 PM

Yep. Gotta be nuts. There are too many newbs thinking this is the goldrush, and close up shop in a few months.

Tempest · 08-28-2006, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

You notice alot of people jumping in and opening New Programs....

without knowing the basics?

Internal traffic generation , Existing traffic already , and know how how to accomplish these?

Dont ya think having your own network of traffic is a essential and learning the basics (tgps, seo, blgos ) and so on is essential?

Thoughts?

I completely agree.

I've also seen some programs open up and although the tours look nice, the sites inside are utter crap and they don't do any of the things that are required to be a success at PPS (pop-ups, exits, upsells, cross sales etc. etc. etc.).

I've also noticed people putting together sites/programs and opening them up without having done any damn testing on their own or even debugging the damn thing.

I seem to be moving slowly to a smaller and smaller group of established programs because I just don't feel that 70%-80% of the new programs will have the legs to run for years..

stickyfingerz · 08-28-2006, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solid Bob

Lifes a dance you learn as you go
Sometimes you lead, sometimes you follow
Don't worry bout what you don't know
Lifes a dance you learn as you go

The appropriate words for this forum are as follows

Lifes a dance you learn as she blows
Sometimes she spits sometimes she swallows
Dont worry where the cums gonna go
Lifes a dance you learnnnn as she blows.

tenderobject · 08-28-2006, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solid Bob

Lifes a dance you learn as you go
Sometimes you lead, sometimes you follow
Don't worry bout what you don't know
Lifes a dance you learn as you go

nice one but do you think this is applicable on this biz?

WiredGuy · 08-28-2006, 03:48 PM

You definitely need your own traffic base just to establish payouts and fine tune the members area. I can't imagine opening a program blindly without refining the backend, especially if its going to be a PPS program.
WG

ChrisAnubis · 08-28-2006, 03:48 PM

Hell, that was the idea of getting into this in the first place. Learn how to wrangle traffic and push it towards my sites and build up a program.

But after almost a year at it, traffic is still my number one problem. I seem to convert ok, so the actual marketing of the sites don't seem to be a big problem. Just getting them to my sites is the biggest problem.

AmeliaG · 08-28-2006, 03:55 PM

I don't think it is a requirement, but it probably makes it easier. My first pay site had joins before it even went live, just from testing to make sure a banner rotation script was working on some of my traffic sources. I didn't open a proper affiliate program until way later. The only folks I initially gave real affiliate payouts to were my models. I might have made more dough having the program earlier though. Hard to tell. Honestly, the creative aspect was the biggest motivator to me, so I assume some people start sites more because they want to start sites than because they are ready to have a huge program. For some people who are awesome at generating traffic but not that interested in the creative side, it seems like it would make the most sense to promote existing programs, so I guess I don't think it follows that someone should have traffic to have a program, although traffic has to come from somewhere to have a successful paysite.

CIVMatt · 08-28-2006, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

You notice alot of people jumping in and opening New Programs....

without knowing the basics?

Internal traffic generation , Existing traffic already , and know how how to accomplish these?

Dont ya think having your own network of traffic is a essential and learning the basics (tgps, seo, blgos ) and so on is essential?

Thoughts?

You know thats intresting, I was just talking about this I'm getting ready to start something with a few paysites and solo girls I'm working on, but I'd never do it unless I knew what was up, I've been around for a while... I own several blogs, free sites, tgps, blah blah blah... and I STILL feel new at things, I see some of these programs that have NO idea what a affiliate might need or any clue to the workings of the online world.

$5 submissions · 08-28-2006, 03:57 PM

"Dont ya think having your own network of traffic is a essential and learning the basics (tgps, seo, blgos ) and so on is essential?"

I'd agree with this. However, if the program owner doesn't have existing traffic or heavy experience with traffic generation, he/she should at least have a very flexible system where the program can help affiliates with their specific needs. The latter scenario requires a lot of capital.

uno · 08-28-2006, 04:03 PM

A lot of programs were started on very little knowledge and do very well today. If you already know how to obtain traffic, you have that much more of a head start. If you keep on the program and keep up the efforts, you can add the tools Gene speaks of over time to help affiliates even further. Also knowing some people with major traffic and deals already in the works helps too.

spacedog · 08-28-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

A lot of programs were started on very little knowledge and do very well today. If you already know how to obtain traffic, you have that much more of a head start. If you keep on the program and keep up the efforts, you can add the tools Gene speaks of over time to help affiliates even further. Also knowing some people with major traffic and deals already in the works helps too.

how about converting better than 1:15k? Any ideas on why a program would have #s like that?

Busty · 08-28-2006, 04:19 PM

What happens it seems is someone sells an investor the dreams of owning a porn site and that person has no clue about the business. The operator gets a nice salary to open a program and the investor loses his money in the end. Sites are about retention, retention is addiction if you can't feed don't open it, you can fire all the traffic in the world at shitty site and get sign ups and pay out high PPS rates so webmasters support you but when your members quit you are fucked.

Its not the late 90's anymore if you are not a well rounded webmaster it is a hard business, if you are a well rounded webmaster you have to pay high PPS to keep webmasters happy since the % programs are not the big favorite anymore.

spacedog · 08-28-2006, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Busty

What happens it seems is someone sells an investor the dreams of owning a porn site and that person has no clue about the business. The operator gets a nice salary to open a program and the investor loses his money in the end. Sites are about retention, retention is addiction if you can't feed don't open it, you can fire all the traffic in the world at shitty site and get sign ups and pay out high PPS rates so webmasters support you but when your members quit you are fucked.

Its not the late 90's anymore if you are not a well rounded webmaster it is a hard business, if you are a well rounded webmaster you have to pay high PPS to keep webmasters happy since the % programs are not the big favorite anymore.

all true & good points, but sometimes it's the pps ones that are screwing their webmasters & seems many only opt to pay pps so they can get more traffic & seems their motivation is not selling memberships & retention but getting more traffic so they can sell it off their exits, etc.. But I understand they need to make $$ too, but it can look like their focus has become selling exits instead of memberships

Solid Bob · 08-28-2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tenderobject

nice one but do you think this is applicable on this biz?

I think it's applicable anywhere but I've always been like that. The best way to learn about a new business for me is to jump in that motherfucker and see what I can tear up. I don't like to fail so once I have it running I am going to make damn sure it flies. I understand some people are very analytical about stuff but I'd mortgage my house to start in a new industry and would never in a million years expect to lose it.

Juicy D. Links · 08-28-2006, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD

Ok who hacked Juicy's password and made a serious thread ??

I have been laying off the meds

ry0t · 08-28-2006, 05:25 PM

It's alright. The people who don't know what they are doing with a paysite will fail and waste a lot of money.

woj · 08-28-2006, 05:30 PM

I don't really see anything wrong with it, obviously you need to have a clue about how stuff works, but in my opinion people exaggerate the costs and the difficulty of setting up and running an affiliate program...

Juicy D. Links · 08-29-2006, 05:22 AM

nice nice

scottybuzz · 08-29-2006, 05:30 AM

Theres no way I would ever open up a program.

Jakke PNG · 08-29-2006, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacedog

how about converting better than 1:15k? Any ideas on why a program would have #s like that?

the affiliate promoting the site doesn't know what he's doing?

Paul Markham · 08-29-2006, 05:31 AM

This is how much traffic knowledge is essential to opening a paysite.

VERY LITTLE.

ASSUMING YOU HAVE OTHER TYPES OF RESOURCES, SKILLS AND KNOWLEDGE.

Yes if you are going to open a site that is like 99% of the other sites on the Net, you had better have a lot of traffic and affiliate skills. Because that's the only thing that will secure you a future.

However if you can build a site that appeals to surfers, converts and pays out, with some work the traffic will come. Simply because you can pay out more than the guys using the other route.

It's simple as this. Assuming the other things are equal, like traffic flow who do you send your traffic to A or B?

A pays you $10 per hour worked.

B pays you $20 per hour worked.

Now all the traffic guys will find 10,000 reasons why I'm wrong. While they send traffic to the best converting/paying sites.

Paul Markham · 08-29-2006, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

i would think you would almost have to be insane to open a program without your own traffic souce, unless of course you had the $ amount to quickly build it.

Having money to open a business is a given fact.

Except on the Internet???

Yes you need money.

Paul Markham · 08-29-2006, 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Busty

What happens it seems is someone sells an investor the dreams of owning a porn site and that person has no clue about the business. The operator gets a nice salary to open a program and the investor loses his money in the end. Sites are about retention, retention is addiction if you can't feed don't open it, you can fire all the traffic in the world at shitty site and get sign ups and pay out high PPS rates so webmasters support you but when your members quit you are fucked.

Not only do they fuck themselves by putting up a shitty site, they fuck other sites other affiliates by making the surfer think it's best to stick to Free Sites for porn. The surfer is no longer the naive newbie he was. Ripping him off for short term gain is not any good for anyone.

fris · 08-29-2006, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

the affiliate promoting the site doesn't know what he's doing?

no kidding if you are getting numbers like that. your source of traffic is garbage

free4porn · 08-29-2006, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Not only do they fuck themselves by putting up a shitty site, they fuck other sites other affiliates by making the surfer think it's best to stick to Free Sites for porn. The surfer is no longer the naive newbie he was. Ripping him off for short term gain is not any good for anyone.

Totally agree. This is just hurting the biz

wizhard · 08-29-2006, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

Theres no way I would ever open up a program.

Same here - I just couldn't be doing with the 24/7/365 hassle of it.

As Mel Gibson said in the movie Braveheart - "You can shave my sales but you will never take away my FREEEEEEDOM" *

*- or something like that

Juicy D. Links · 08-29-2006, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spacedog

how about converting better than 1:15k? Any ideas on why a program would have #s like that?

your traffic must be really bad yo, are you sending chinese 404 popunder popover up down reverse traffic?

Martin · 08-29-2006, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

I don't really see anything wrong with it, obviously you need to have a clue about how stuff works, but in my opinion people exaggerate the costs and the difficulty of setting up and running an affiliate program...

I agree.

RoCkMaN · 08-29-2006, 09:18 AM

I'm sure I'll be recieving more Bankruptcy Paperwwork through the mail soon.

Paul Markham · 08-29-2006, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

I don't really see anything wrong with it, obviously you need to have a clue about how stuff works, but in my opinion people exaggerate the costs and the difficulty of setting up and running an affiliate program...

How hard can it be if I did it?

08-28-2006, 02:57 PM	#1
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	BIZ THREAD ---You notice alot of people jumping in and opening New Programs.... You notice alot of people jumping in and opening New Programs.... without knowing the basics? Internal traffic generation , Existing traffic already , and know how how to accomplish these? Dont ya think having your own network of traffic is a essential and learning the basics (tgps, seo, blgos ) and so on is essential? Thoughts?

08-28-2006, 02:58 PM	#3
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08-28-2006, 03:35 PM	#6
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08-28-2006, 03:38 PM	#7
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08-28-2006, 03:48 PM	#13
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,482	You definitely need your own traffic base just to establish payouts and fine tune the members area. I can't imagine opening a program blindly without refining the backend, especially if its going to be a PPS program. WG __________________ I play with Google.

08-28-2006, 02:58 PM	#2
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	I think so. I wouldn't open a program without having a lot of traffic of my own that I could push toward it.

08-28-2006, 03:06 PM	#5
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	i would think you would almost have to be insane to open a program without your own traffic souce, unless of course you had the $ amount to quickly build it. i am not even thinking about developing my own program until i have a network of sites that can sustain a level of joins across the board and in different niches.

08-28-2006, 03:39 PM	#8
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	Hehe.Well i dont know i didnt notice new program in latest time

08-28-2006, 03:42 PM	#9
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Yep. Gotta be nuts. There are too many newbs thinking this is the goldrush, and close up shop in a few months.

08-28-2006, 03:48 PM	#14
ChrisAnubis Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,263	Hell, that was the idea of getting into this in the first place. Learn how to wrangle traffic and push it towards my sites and build up a program. But after almost a year at it, traffic is still my number one problem. I seem to convert ok, so the actual marketing of the sites don't seem to be a big problem. Just getting them to my sites is the biggest problem. __________________ I'm still making money with Mayor's Money, Pimproll & jaYMan Cash . Thunder-Ball.net - Member ICQ:276-917-507

08-28-2006, 03:55 PM	#15
AmeliaG Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,565	I don't think it is a requirement, but it probably makes it easier. My first pay site had joins before it even went live, just from testing to make sure a banner rotation script was working on some of my traffic sources. I didn't open a proper affiliate program until way later. The only folks I initially gave real affiliate payouts to were my models. I might have made more dough having the program earlier though. Hard to tell. Honestly, the creative aspect was the biggest motivator to me, so I assume some people start sites more because they want to start sites than because they are ready to have a huge program. For some people who are awesome at generating traffic but not that interested in the creative side, it seems like it would make the most sense to promote existing programs, so I guess I don't think it follows that someone should have traffic to have a program, although traffic has to come from somewhere to have a successful paysite. __________________ GFY Hall of Famer AltStar Hall of Famer Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com Babe photography portfolio

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08-28-2006, 04:03 PM	#18
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08-28-2006, 05:25 PM	#24
ry0t So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 4,160	It's alright. The people who don't know what they are doing with a paysite will fail and waste a lot of money.

08-28-2006, 05:30 PM	#25
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08-29-2006, 05:22 AM	#26
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08-29-2006, 05:31 AM	#29
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