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Good luck guys.

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Contacting the company to rectify a discrepancy is of course normal. Is posting about it normal though? Something mentioned in the oral contract?

If the company had replied on the phone, "whoa, ok I'll be in the office in 3 days, I'll call you back", would the post still have been made?

I'm only curious since it's a 'hot topic'.

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Looking forward to seeing the outcome of this, as I plan on using Nats in the not to distant future!

50...The drama is getting out there :)

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Nice Responce TMM!.

Looks like lawyer bills are doing to start adding up, welcome to the real world.

Good call TMM. :)

i'm confused, exactly *what* is tmm suing xc for? i mean i understand the basic concept of filing countersuits, but what possible claim could tmm have against xc?

i understand why xc is suing tmm, defamation and breach of contract, those seem pretty clear.... but given that xc paid their bill in full i can't possibly see what damages tmm could hope to recover... and if it's just an information seeking lawsuit it seems silly since discovery in the other case will go both ways.

lawyers are the only ones who will profit from this one.

Whoa

Good luck John

Actually, and unfortunately, I think that NR Media might prevail and that sucks because I think Nats is a great piece of software and I've heard nothing but good things about the folks over there. I don't know anyone at NR or use their program so I can't comment on those folks...

That said, I think the gun was jumped a bit by coming to the boards and making public certain "issues" when the initial post regarding this drama was posted.

If the two parties had an issue and Nats had a legal right to discontinue access to the admin section - then they should have done so and kept the issue between the two parties private. At this point in time, Nat's software reputation was not under question or the issue public knowledge (that I'm aware of).

Had an affiliate not been paid or stats not updated and such an affiliate posted on the boards because of some "perceived problem" that occured because of the revoked privleges to the admin section, then the issue becomes public and there is a possible interpretation of a Nat's software problem or error and, given the community we do business in, creates a possible reputation issue.

At this point in time, and assuming the above conditions exists, Nats has every right to defend it's software by making a post that says something to the effect of:

"This is not a Nat's software issue. In accordance with section [blah- blah] of our licensing agreement with NR, we have terminated access to the admin section for the NR cash program owners. Such revocation shall remain in force for NR until such time as the issues that caused revocation remain unresolved."

This protects Nat's reputation and doesn't deflame NR. You've said what you did but not why you did it - and you don't owe it to webmasters to explain why you did - that's for NR to explain to its' affiliates. The upside to this approach would have been with their described frame of mind, it may have provoked a less than outright and impeccably honest answer from them and you would have had them on a slander suit too should they taken that approach toward a possible response :)

I would, if I owned Nat's, and if it doesn't already exist, code in the ability for revoked access program owners, to have just enough privleges to ensure all affiliates get paid if it doesn't already exist.

Best case scenario is for all of you guys to go bobbing for apples and let cooler heads prevail!

john is right here.
glad to see you guys take action here

read thru the original complaint filed and posted on every major adult news site. many things were said about nats in those complaints which carry a much bigger case for a defamation suit against NR media, imo a much stronger case than what they have relative to TMM.

in the original nats statement, they didnt say anything false. it was nothing more than a set of facts. if NR wants to sue someone, they should be suing the people/posters they cited in their complaint who made the assumption they were shaving and said it literally. john and crew are going to have their way with them imo, if i was NR media, i would drop everything immediately and not listen to lawyers who have a vested interest in telling them to sue, especially adult industry lawyers who operate on the business side.

I think this is going to get uglier than it ever needed to be.

Naked Rhino should sue their designer LOL

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this is going to be a long ass thread

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I agree. Good luck John and TMM.

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NATS post sure sounds like it was crafted by a lawyer. Can't wait to read their filiing.

Talking about spin control...

I guess since more people have a stake in NATS they will come to the defense of TMM, however that is not how the courts work.

Personally, I think both sides have made mistakes.

I'm predicting an out of court settlement. If these suits are finally determined in court, then it could go either way, since only then will all of the details be laid out.

However, since this is GFY, I'm expecting lots of chest beating speculation.

Let the games begin...

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I definitely agree with your point DD - sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

Edit: *I wouldn't call everyone 'fucks' though :1orglaugh But definitely the affiliates would not have been pleased to know something isn't adding up right and nobody is telling them why.

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I'm not a lawyer.. but I did spend the night at a Holiday Inn :1orglaugh

Who cares who is right or wrong here? I just can't wait for the discovery phase when all the dirty laundry becomes public record!

nats is a good product! good luck

90% of gfy posters are laywers :1orglaugh :upsidedow

I'm waiting to see how this turns out before I make up my mind.

Whoa, whoa, whoa Miss Lippy. The part of the story I dont like is that the little boy gave up looking for Happy after an hour. That little boy's gotta think, youve got a PET you've got a RESPONSIBILITY. When your dog gets lost, you dont look for an hour and call it quits, you get your ass out there and you find that fucking dog!

LOL! Ok, this post cracks me up!

I think next year I'll wait to see who wins the Super Bowl and then place a bet after the game is decided!

Page 2? I thought this would be on page 5 by now.

What a waste of money here....

I'm with you. I don't see the grounds for this lawsuit.