As much as I'd like to say I wouldn't, if someone called insinuating I cheated someone when I didn't I'd likely hang up on them as well. Do you really think they'd be suing if they were obviously shaving? You don't think it will be brought up?

Whos to say this is not to just scare NATS into settling and giving them say 50K and walking away. 5 million is a hefty sum of money but I highly doubt XC thinks this will make it to the courts.

"he publicly stated that he had suspended the NATS license for XclusiveCash, Naked Rhino?s affiliate program, because he believed the company was shaving, or altering sign-up and re-bill statistics in order to cheat affiliates"


I didn't read that entire thread, but the first two posts by NATS in it didn't say such a thing. They just stated that the CCBill stats and the affiliate stats were different.

You lose the amicably once XC gets allegedly caught doing something bad. Everything else gets solved on the boards at one point or another, why should this be any different? TMM tried to contact them, were told to go pound sand, and that's why we are on the boards now.

This is all just smoke an mirrors to deter people from wondering what the real story with the numbers are. If nothing was wrong, I'm sure at XC would have resolved it and been paying out affiliates as usual by now. Webmasters can forgive an 'oops' in a matter of weeks, but the more they delay it, the tougher it will be to crawl back.


Also, in that article notice they don't ever quote John as saying they shaved.

This thread is going to get huge unfortunately, Honestly Im not taking sides but I really hope Nats is OK because we use them for our program and I would hate for this to effect them in any way. Im sure they got millions to work with.

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do we need captain obvious to come to the rescue here?

the facts have obviously been laid out in the various threads, it is just up to you to decipher them

Says TMM.
Seriously I'm not taking sides but there are always two sides to a story and untill now we've only heard one. Saying that that is because XC has something to hide is just a bit to easy.

How will this affect their deal with Falcon Foto?

where is SonOfJesus to comfort us as the apocolypse nears?

Guys quit all the retard posts in this thread, the stupid comments really make you look like a newb.

if somebody locked me out of the admin that I had already paid for there would be hell to pay. My guess is that xc is taking the same attitude.

nats had no agreement with xc that gave them the right to disable the license that had been paid for.

The defamation is probably the smallest part of their suit. The breach is big thing imho.

Its tucker whos riding the front lines right now.

Atlest thats what I get. I emailed Chris and Brandi about payouts and got no responce so I sent the email again and waited a bit with no responce then Tucker sent me an email.

So one can only assume hes leader of the pack right now.

actually thats not necessarily true Jace. There is more information to this then you know, and how do i know.....because I know.....

I guess we must wait for the rebirth? :Oh crap

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I think TMM is in for a huge fight here that may cost more than it's worth. I personally think if you're going to breach someone in an agreement you do it with a certified letter from your attorney. You don't do it with a phone call that's very likely inadmissable. Who knows what was really said. I also think TMM posting anything at all on a site such as this is extremely silly. I can't believe they would give such ammunition away. Oh well, I hope they have the stones and the cash for the fight.

"he publicly stated that he had suspended the NATS license for XclusiveCash, Naked Rhino’s affiliate program, because he believed the company was shaving, or altering sign-up and re-bill statistics in order to cheat affiliates"

No he didn't.. I'd like to see them try and prove that in court.

Since Albright’s accusation, XclusiveCash has seen a mass exodus of affiliate traffic,

If they had actually dealt with the problem I doubt this would have happened. Instead, by letting speculation run rampant and by their own actions (or lack there of) they caused the exodus.

I really doubt this is somthing they can "win" in court.. Instead it feels more like some money hungry cheaters who got caught and now are trying to get some money out of NATs in way of a settlement since their reputation is pretty much ruined in this business.

"leave it to the lawyers"

and the $100,000+ in fee's :)

haha....ok

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Well Tuckers sig does say.. and I quote..

" Exploit it for cold hard cash! :thumbsup "

Sonds like a stand up guy to me.

Well, seems everyone will know a lot of answers as soon as this hits the courts, since it will all be public record. I'm not going to take sides but I do find this very interesting. Now, it's all just a wait and see, but 1 one of them is going to get thier asses handed to them over this issue. In don't think it was handled correctly, I don't know the whole story of course, just what I read on GFY, but bringing it to the boards in the fashion that transpired was wrong. This should have been worked out between the two companies in private to see if a solution could be reached or the issue solved.

1. Basically, Nat's "Claims" it's 100% unshavable. If that statement is true then NRM could not be shaving. IF they have been shaving... what does that really say about Nat's software.

2. IF NRM has been shaving the affilaites why would they take this to court and make all the records public. This would only further destroy thier company.

3. If this is an issue of NATS software not being installed correctly, and not tracking correctly- That will also be made public, and I would think that if it turns out to be the case NATS will loose.

I like the fact that this is going to court. It gets old with everyone yelling sue this sue that around here. At least when the smoke clears from this fire there will be answers.

5 mill, that rox. They may as well have thrown in New Hampshire.


We want 5 mill AND new hampshire!

Talk about a crew of dipshits trying to scare on out of court settlement out of em.

Just out of curiosity, where does TMM say nats is unshavable? I'm not saying they didn't, i just haven't seen where they say it.

Also, if NRM has been fucking with their nats install, don't you think it's going to be a little hard for them to prove fault on TMM? The team with the better geeks shall win :)

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I haven't seen the contract, but I'm guessing there are very few reasons TMM is allowed to suspend a license, either non-payment or shaving. It wasn't non-payment (to TMM anyhow :) so there's at least an argument that it was implied, hence the word 'believed', not 'knew' in the quote. Whether it's winnable or not, who knows.

If I read the article correctly they are going after Albright personally for defamation, that's going to make this all the more painful as he stands to lose everything, not just his company. It's a crappy bullshit move, but may be effective. Got to love this biz...

there have already been previous posts that program owners have made stating there was a glitch in the NATS software, which apparently happens from time to time, where NATS and CCBill aren't communicationg properly....thus creating a discrepency in the rebills data. Most program owners just call nats, or nats calls them, and it gets fixed instantly. It would seem, from what I have read on the boards, that NR didn't allow TMM to fix that issue a while back and rebills have been counting, but not showing up in NATS, because of one of these glitches

This is all just from what I am reading on the boards though

well, if you notice Tucker's sig, he is all about exploiting everything to make cash!

I'm sure with the right knowledge you can manipulate it(like anything) Its more that they don't stand for that behavior, and if you found stealing you'll be dealt with. So its more that they (TMM) won't turn a Blind Eye.

nats actions smelled fishy and good luck to all involved with a resolution. also, there were ccbill dos attack issues when that stuff all went down and there is no doubt in my mind that stats lags could have been caused by it.

hmmm interesting.

5 million! that's crazy

Please link everyone to the post where TMM said NATs is 100% unshavable