Is "WHORE" an acceptable term to use for "talent"? - Page 3 - GoFuckYourself.com

Shey · 08-23-2006, 12:27 PM

The first convention I ever went to almost two years ago, I found myself facing this dilema. I was talking to a webmaster that was there with his model and he started to talk about how much money she made for a "whore". Mind you I live with Marc so you know I am "VERY OPEN MINDED". But this really pissed me off. I walked away from the webmaster and from that moment, I had a bad image of him and his business. Now, two years and many conventions later, I still think it was fucked up forhim to talk like that about his models.

Treating other human beings like shit is never going to change the context/intent of your words.

Shey · 08-23-2006, 12:30 PM

BTW, thanks for posting theis thread Hal

tASSy · 08-23-2006, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBritt

I believe that it is only appropriate to speak to a man or woman and use that word if it is done in jest. To actually call somebody a whore and really mean it you better be ready for a fight as it is definitely derogatory.

i'll have to agree, my best friend/roommate and i are now not speaking because we *just* had an argument over the allowability of calling someone in our neighborhood, a friend within my circle of friends, by a slang term is not okay - even if that friend tells me it's okay.

GFY causing drama in real life? that's impressive!

in any case, my *other* roommate is a post-grad theology student so i asked him for the origin of the word "whore" because that sort of thing interests me.

for the sake of the thread i'll throw in the links he sent me:

etymology of the term whore

places in the bible where similar terms were used and what they were used for

davecummings · 08-23-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Depends if you are an asshole who has no respect for the talent or not.

I agree with your comment---same for use of the word "cu*t".

IMO, we need to innately feel and treat everyone nicely (including Adult Industry performers who contribute to us making a living).

The girls are human beings, not what those terms connote when one thinks of their local street-walkers!

Dave

Sveindt Beindt · 08-23-2006, 12:45 PM

At the start of a photosession we call them princes or so at the end it goodby

D · 08-23-2006, 12:53 PM

Every one of them might be, technically, a "whore"...

But I'm sure there are a lot of people who are, technically, "bastards"...

technically "fat"

technically "motherfuckers"

We don't refer to these people, on a regular basis (unless in a jesting kinda way), by these derrogatory terms because they're all terms that have negative connotations.

As has been said before... its' about respect.

DWB · 08-23-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by davecummings

The girls are human beings, not what those terms connote when one thinks of their local street-walkers!

Then they need to act like human beings instead of human cum dumpsters.

BlackCrayon · 08-23-2006, 01:05 PM

it seems most people at least agree that its ok to refer to them as such on sites to the general public but that doesn't that just re-enforce the idea that these women are whores to those viewing the sites? its ok to let them believe it as long as they are buying subscriptions?

phatbiatch · 08-23-2006, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Madame0120

However, there's not much change in the catty-greedy-bitch flavor of the PSO biz. It was a real shock, after working in adult for 2+ years, where the forums are actually helpful - to be plopped into Paranoia Central.

You aren't kidding about that! It's so bad over on that site, I've never seen anything like it, not even among camgirls. Lying, stealing, cheating, backstabbing.

Red Ezra · 08-23-2006, 01:37 PM

not a good idea to call talent whore unless you are a friend and using at a term of endearment - otherwise it's disrespectful

Big Red Machine · 08-23-2006, 01:37 PM

I'm not trying to get on my "High Whorse" ,but unless the cameras rolling and she has agreed to allow you to call her a whore I wouldn't. Then again theres some really cool girls that don't care and don't take offense to it.

DWB · 08-23-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Ezra

not a good idea to call talent whore unless you are a friend and using at a term of endearment - otherwise it's disrespectful

It is always a term of endearment when I say it.

tASSy · 08-23-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Halcyon

"Performer" is my favorite of the bunch, I think. At least for Video. For photo, I agree, "model" is best.

Unless you are talking about Cytherea, for her "talent" is appropriate.

or "pressure-washer"

that's definitely talent.

BlueWire · 08-23-2006, 01:53 PM

Is someone who has sex for money by definition a whore? YES

Does it make a difference that its for a movie or photo? NO

Is it okay to call ANYONE a whore who is respectful to you?

NO, not if they view it as desrespectful

Halcyon · 08-23-2006, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

it seems most people at least agree that its ok to refer to them as such on sites to the general public but that doesn't that just re-enforce the idea that these women are whores to those viewing the sites? its ok to let them believe it as long as they are buying subscriptions?

Except that porn is the selling of fantasy.
And MANY fantasies revolve around roll/power play and degradation.

You can call a lover a "whore" in the bedroom and still respect her to the core.
That is much different than thinking she *is* a whore.

That being said, I think it would be much more responsible, as an industry, to address the idea of fantasy and rollplay in porn (to surefers). Especially with "extreme" scenes.

xNetworx · 08-23-2006, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Halcyon

Do you mean within the industry? Or to surfers?

I agree that "whore" is an acceptable word to use in sales text, toyurs, etc. I'm more curious about business discussions within the industry.

IMO, The term "whore" is only acceptable when it is in the script of a scene and the model is aware of it and complies or on the tour of a website. To simply refer to an adult performer as a "whore" is rude.

sandman! · 08-23-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Halcyon

I think that is an important distinction.

In my opinion "Whores" are the fantasy we sell a surfer.
It has a derogatory tone. And degradation is very often a part of fantasy.

But to use it with people you work with/do business with is clearly disrepectful.
If you don't mean to disrespect, then don't use the term.
If you *do* mean to disrepect, then you are an asshole.

ditto....

betabomb · 08-23-2006, 03:50 PM

if you say it with love

nico-t · 08-23-2006, 04:13 PM

talent? a girl thats getting fucked for cash, only dif with a whore is she's being recorded. So yes she's a whore. Nude models aint whores since they dont ride the cock.

Grapesoda · 08-23-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Halcyon

"Performer" is my favorite of the bunch, I think. At least for Video. For photo, I agree, "model" is best.

Unless you are talking about Cytherea, for her "talent" is appropriate.

good points. I consdier myself a photographer that will shoot video for money . . so I tend to think in terms of 'model' even when I get pissed at the models I never use sexualy orientated languge . . I stick with ass hole, dumb ass, dip shit, etc, those type terms . . I like women

Seska · 08-23-2006, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Halcyon

Except that porn is the selling of fantasy.
And MANY fantasies revolve around roll/power play and degradation.

You can call a lover a "whore" in the bedroom and still respect her to the core.
That is much different than thinking she *is* a whore.

That being said, I think it would be much more responsible, as an industry, to address the idea of fantasy and rollplay in porn (to surefers). Especially with "extreme" scenes.

I like to think that it is possible in the commercialization of sexuality that it is possible to consider context when it comes to fantasy - especially those fantasies that dwell in the darker areas. I know that some webmasters/pornographers/websites do that well and others do not.

Grapesoda · 08-23-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tASSy

etymology of the term whore

and I got the domain 'wanton' . . how fucking cool is that?

Dagwolf · 08-23-2006, 04:23 PM

It's all about marketing. I don't think they should be called that at industry functions, but if your site is a fantasy about whores, well...

Grapesoda · 08-23-2006, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueWire

Is someone who has sex for money by definition a whore? YES

Does it make a difference that its for a movie or photo? NO

Is it okay to call ANYONE a whore who is respectful to you?

NO, not if they view it as desrespectful

actually they are called 'providers' and the tricks are called 'hobbiest' and pimps are now called 'webmasters'

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08-23-2006, 12:27 PM	#101
Shey Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,654	The first convention I ever went to almost two years ago, I found myself facing this dilema. I was talking to a webmaster that was there with his model and he started to talk about how much money she made for a "whore". Mind you I live with Marc so you know I am "VERY OPEN MINDED". But this really pissed me off. I walked away from the webmaster and from that moment, I had a bad image of him and his business. Now, two years and many conventions later, I still think it was fucked up forhim to talk like that about his models. Treating other human beings like shit is never going to change the context/intent of your words. __________________ Regards, Shey <at> datePROFITS.com\| ICQ: 279858568 \| Skype: sheysworld \| Y!M: sheyla702 datePROFITS: Every Niche of ExGF Dating Sites!

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08-23-2006, 12:53 PM	#106
D Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Valley Posts: 7,412	Every one of them might be, technically, a "whore"... But I'm sure there are a lot of people who are, technically, "bastards"... technically "fat" technically "motherfuckers" We don't refer to these people, on a regular basis (unless in a jesting kinda way), by these derrogatory terms because they're all terms that have negative connotations. As has been said before... its' about respect. __________________ -D. ICQ: 202-96-31

08-23-2006, 01:05 PM	#108
BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	it seems most people at least agree that its ok to refer to them as such on sites to the general public but that doesn't that just re-enforce the idea that these women are whores to those viewing the sites? its ok to let them believe it as long as they are buying subscriptions? __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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Red Ezra redezra.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vegas Baby! Posts: 4,680	not a good idea to call talent whore unless you are a friend and using at a term of endearment - otherwise it's disrespectful

08-23-2006, 01:37 PM	#111
Big Red Machine Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: XXXBigRed@Twitter Posts: 9,586	I'm not trying to get on my "High Whorse" ,but unless the cameras rolling and she has agreed to allow you to call her a whore I wouldn't. Then again theres some really cool girls that don't care and don't take offense to it. __________________ ICQ:475437214

08-23-2006, 01:53 PM	#114
BlueWire Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,628	Is someone who has sex for money by definition a whore? *YES* Does it make a difference that its for a movie or photo? NO Is it okay to call ANYONE a whore who is respectful to you? NO, not if they view it as desrespectful

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Dagwolf President of Canada Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leaving Hell, Entering Limbo Posts: 23,141	It's all about marketing. I don't think they should be called that at industry functions, but if your site is a fantasy about whores, well... __________________ Sleep well, and dream of large women.