Not sure if I see your train of logic.
To me: "whore"=derogatory. And since we sometimes sell degradation fantasy, it makes to use it in marketing.

But just because a woman does it for money as part of the creation of product, doesn't mean she doesn't deserve respect (especially within an industry that does a whole lot for the money.)

A woman who does it for the money can be a performer, talent, porn actress, porn star, etc.
But the word "whore" has a negative conotation and using it in a business setting implies disrespect (and makes us look bad, quite frankly.)

Of course, You may *not* respect women who perfom in porn. Clearly many people here do not.

lol. I'm packing for Burning Man. Lets plan on it when I get back!

You have so much to learn my son. It's webmasters that put money into our pockets. :1orglaugh

I don't use the term "whore" or any other pejorative terms on any of my tours or on any of my sites. I have more respect for the performers I work with and depend upon, for my members, and for myself to do that.

This is because I feel that if I am doing so just to make money, then in fact I could be encouraging such attitudes in others, and therefore I am putting money above people and promoting negative attitudes and behavior, which is something I try not to do.

Many people in the adult industry apparently stake their livelihood on promoting misogyny and degrading people, that is not how I choose to conduct my business.

I love sex and I enjoy erotic roleplaying, but when this becomes obscured (particularly when it is deliberately done in the context of mistreating another person), that is where I draw a line.

I don't mind joking around, and such - that's all in good fun, but packaging entertainment that consciously caters to the worst in human attitudes and behavior is not how I want to make my living.

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Perfectly said.

forget for a second the morality of it; the use of degrading terms for your models is simply bad business. tain't professional.

if the shooter understands the psychology of the female he understands that to get the best images of her he must make her feel like she is a princess, that she is exciting, alluring, every man's fantasy.

lots of shooters treat girls like whores during the shoots, many POV shooters even.

and check how the girls' respond. lots of cum dodging, not much happiness from the girl. the chick just hates being there and it shows.

erotic?---let your surfer decide. there is a reason so many of these "content shooters" are having "blowout sales". surfers don't like that shit so much. most surfers like to see the girls having a good time. you don't usually get that response when you treat ANY girl like a whore.

and, i must say quantity does not = quality.

are they whores? of course they are. but a pro never lets the girl think that. the pro makes her think she is a goddess while she's getting boned in the ass. he does this so he can get GOOD content.

you do not get the best content when you degrade the model using ANY derogatory speech.

guys who think girls are whores are mostly guys that never got laid in high school. true, there is a niche for that, but it is not the biggest niche.

too much arguing about whores in this thread.

we're all fucking whores in some shape/fashion

Sure it's derogatory to call models/talent whores - and it's obvious the intent is to decry.

If anyone seriously considers otherwise - they need to find a job elsewhere, that attitude stinks and is highly unprofessional.

No industry decries the product they offer - whether that's butter or some useless crap offered on infocommercials.

Considering many webmasters promote what they define as "whores", they are pimps in the real sense.

Try flippantly describing any product in derogatory terms in any leading ad agency and ass would be hitting the sidewalk in seconds.

NO. I prefer calling them talents instead of that.

I think you make a good point. thing is if someone said i was a fat person they would be right and I most likely would not be offended, actually obese puts me off tremendously. Now if someone said you fat whore heyyy wait a minute lol ya know? it's all in the context of how "talent" is referred to.

We hired this dirty whore to shoot a scene for us the other day.

Or... we hired this model the other day. What a dirty whore she is in front of the camera.

i'm a man whore and love it!

Exactly.

There's some whores in this house, there's some whores in this house...

Hardcore models who have sex with strangers for money = yes
Softcore models = no

I'm calling it as it is.

A girl who lets someone like... say... Duke, throat gag her until she pukes is a whore. She may be a cool chick. A responsible girl. She may even be someone's wife or girlfriend, but she is still a whore.

Any girl who sucks cum out of another girls ass... is a whore.

Any girl who who will let multiple men blow loads inside her vagina... is a whore.

Any girl who claims on video that she is a whore... is a whore.

If a girl is a prostitute / escort in real life... whore.

Any girl that allows a man to write something on her forhead, eats cum from a spoon, gets gangbanged, walks around with cum on her face, is filmed accepting money, plays like she is picked off the street... ALL WHORES.

But I do not use the term "whore" to look down upon them. I use the term "whore" the same as I do the term "banker" or "doctor."

Girls who shoot for say Steve Lightspeed, Dean Capture, Playboy, Earl Miller, Donny, and so on. NOT WHORES. Though they may be whores in their personal lives, they do not appear to me as a whore while they work.

NOW...

If they chick hates doing what she is doing, trys to escape the pop shot or you can tell she does not want to be there. WHORE. A bad whore. This means she sold herself out for money. That indeed is the true meaning of a whore, and not much respect comes along with that. She has to look herself in the mirror every day after what she has done. She will live with it, she knows she is a whore.

BUT...

All of this is based off of MY definition of a whore. It only becomes bad based on how it is used.

If I'm filming and I tell the girl, "suck it you filthy rice eating whore!", I do not mean anything by that.

If I'm walking down the street and some woman bumps into me, knocks my bag out of my hand and does not even stop to tell me sorry... I turn to her and say, "watch where you're going you stupid fucking whore!", then that is used in a hateful manner. That version of WHORE is a bad one, and is NOT the same WHORE that is used to when speaking to talent.

The best post in this thread. :2 cents:

funny you ask this, i made a blog post last night and referred to the girl as a 'whore' but once i typed it and stopped and debated whether i should use that term or not, would it deter the surfer from wanting to go further.

And i don't think they can have any arguments about that... :1orglaugh

Damn, thats the first 50-50% poll i think i've seen on here... ;-)

Tough question. If you fuck for cash then I'd say yes but if you
just posing nude I'd say no. Who the hell knows......all in all I love
all talent/models the same, what they do for money is there biz.
:)

I think a majority of the votes here might be from surfers LOL j/k damn its almost 50/50 on the votes wow

if she likes it yeah

If you are shooting porn the term "whore" is never a problem. Girls will refer to themselves as whores all the time. If you have not heard this then you have not spent much time around porn stars.:2 cents:

Girl - girl: Some call each other HOs instead of whores and not meant in a derogatory fashion. Casual man they might know - girl: Doesn't play.

Do you think of tASSy as a whore? Would many call her that, esp to her face? Would Vanillia and say Punker just talking call each other Hos sound derogatory? Maybe? Would you think anything of it? Now say anyone else,any well know industry man call either one a whore, it would be in poor tatste.

Dirty luv talk in the bedroom doesn't count.

Discussions within the industry... I've never seen a reason to label and degrade anyone like that. Yes, in ad copy, text link lingo, banner ad lingo, it is common and widely used and accepted.

Any chick can be labelled a whore or slut, but without these willing babes we'd all be doing real work, probably manual labor in most cases.

I agree.. :thumbsup

Actually I never use the word toward women. I just think is sounds stupid. My point is that the LA porn girls don't seem to have a problem with it.

in terms of business, talking to the girls, talking about the girls to other members of the industry i'd say it shouldn't be acceptable but it is. maybe not so much the first but definitely the latter. a lot of stuff in this biz happens that isn't really 'acceptable'. anyways, some girls get off on being degraded, called whores, etc in their personal life. degredation isn't always a male fantasy.

The word whore currently has a great deal of stigma attached to it. The majority of the world's population does not see it as a neutral word much less a positive word (or profession). Even as slang it has derogatory elements to it.

Earlier in my work I felt that words like whore and slut could be reclaimed by porn performers and other sex workers, but I have since moved away from that thinking. Misogyny is still a big part of so many cultures as well as pornography. I try to challenge it in different ways now. When I use certain words I do my best to make sure the context is one of sex positivity.

I also think having negative attitudes towards performers and models says more about the person in question than the performers and models themselves. If you hire a performer to do something involving degradation why judge her/him over their motivations? If they do it for sexual fufillment, to satisfy their emotional needs, or to pay the bills (or any combination there of), what do you care?

I often wonder why people get into the adult biz. For some I think it is because it reinforces their misogyny. Yet for others it is because it reinforces their respect and appreciation of women. Many say it is for the money or because they like being an outsider - I can appreciate that too. But how they carry themselves as they do their work speaks volumes.

/end my first controversial post at GFY :-)

Well, if the talent is a whore - why not?

I think that these two statements are 100% accurate.

I prefer to think of them as suppliers of a product that will later be sold, in a stable business relationship you don't generally call your supplier a whore. Now that doesn't mean that her personal life doesn't qualify for the term, but who am I do say it to her.

Sometimes I like to be called a whore.

Well said. Excellent perspective.

whores get paid to fuck.

therefor the answer is yes.

all talent is scum.

We have gone 10 years in this biz without using the word whore ... and pride ourselves on that.

Personally i would never call someone a whore that whithout them, i don't have a paycheck :2 cents:

xoxo,
Megan

no its not.
first off, we are all here cuz we choose this industry for our income. this is our job. you are supposed to have respect for the talent, other webmasters, companys you do biz with, etc. If you can't grow up and be mature about this industry, then you're still just a kid who thinks "hehe porn..COOL! hehe" Almost like Beavis and Butthead would say. Grow up.

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not to me however is 'talent' acceptable? what's the talent in the job? I prefer model

So..
If I make some guy cum, while talking on the phone for $2.99 a minute, am I a whore? I like to think of it as Advice With A Happy Ending!

"Performer" is my favorite of the bunch, I think. At least for Video. For photo, I agree, "model" is best.


Unless you are talking about Cytherea, for her "talent" is appropriate.

Talent is one of the back bones of our industry. They provide a service and are paid accordingly. We need them. My vote is no.

Mr. Romance