I agree with your response...but i think it could had been worded a bit less harsh for the poor girl. She's probably goint through a rough time and the last thing she needs is a kick while she's down.

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I'm not the only one thanks!


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That is exactly my point.

This is a business, and in business, you can't just shoot from the hip, ESPECIALLY if there are affiliates involved.

For example, let's say I have an 18 year old daughter who had a solo girl site and I found out. I don't care what paperwork she signed, if I want to make an issue of it, it is going to be expensive, FOR EVERYBODY.

First thing I would do is sue the site owner. But that would just be the first line of "defendant". Anyone want to guess what the next few hundred/thousand lines would be?

1 pussy, 1 laywer, easy to keep a secret.

Now you get the whole bikini team involved, too many witnesses for the ethics panel.

I'm curious as to how much counselling and preparation, if any, was done with this particular model before she was hired.

What steps do you plan on implementing prior to hiring models to prevent or reduce this type of thing from happening? Some the responsibility to avoid this is yours. Or is it not?

A lot of these girls are extremely naive as is clearly demonstrated in the email she sent you. Does this concern you at all?

Frankly, I think your attitude in your initial post is unprofessional and uncaring.

So, what you going to do to prevent these models from ruining their lives?

Exactly!

We've had maybe a half dozen flake after the fact. We offer them a buyout if they are that serious. Especially after they cash our check.

We will remove it IF they pay us for the shoot (or every one) they were in. So they pay for their fee, plus every other girl on that day(s), and the photographer. Obviously a hefty chunk o' change.

So it essentially is a, "No", but we gave them an option all the same. Which none of them take, and we avoid the mellow drama.

I guess what I am saying is, in this business if you produce any content, your name is your bond. Pissing people off will spread like wild fire. So be a bit more diplomatic in your, "No".

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well said, first thing that comes to mind is getting their ip addresses and doing tricks with .htaccess, #2 is geotracking tricks (maybe present a different site or version to people from a certain city or location

But you act like we can't counter sue.

We don't hire local girls, they don't just walk in our office and ask about the biz..we hire them via modeling sites, fly them here,pay them, feed them, house them...my 1 goal is to make as much of my investment back as fast as possible...I don't have time to baby sit and talk about life choices. They made the choice when they got on the plane and then dropped thier panties for the world..but honestly the worst models are the NN and tease models...that's why we stopped shooting them..ALL NUDE, ALL PORN, ALL GOOD!

btw..here's the model http://baileyboobies.com

Whats the point of this thread? Business is business, but why not keeping it that way instead of posting private matters in public? Its not the first time u people (ex-bgb) do this. Models AND affiliates. Very unproffesional.

You can always ask for her dads zip code and just block the ips on that area for a while. Would do good in pr and avoid angry dads making noice and giving us a bad name.

50......

Am I the only one that finds it creepy that someone's father and/or brother would be actively looking for naked pictures of the girl?

Yeah..you're right what's up with that shit?

good move

I'm sure they aren't looking so they can whack off to them.

Well, maybe the brother.

Hmm, maybe the father too.

Shit, never mind.

Point proven ;)

The gladly took the money when she did the shoots - she can deal with the content being up and online.

i don't see why this is anyones problem but the models. they make their own choices. they aren't children. its their life to fuck up. if a model is really that naive as to think no one is going to know what they are doing, they must be boarderline retarded.

the only sense of decency in this thread.

Either, Daddy and Bro will be real mad or real happy, ewww!

Can u block their state?

BTW: cute girl!

Of course you can counter sue.

And, should you prevail, you could file it in a folder called "moral victories" because that is the last light of day that judgement would ever see.

That's the problem with models who pay their legal fees on their backs and have no money....they have NOTHING to lose.

Just another risk that the site owners take on that the model does not understand.

The model release I use makes it clear that my company alone owns the content, and I may do with it as I wish.

With that said, I have pulled or delayed the release of content at the request of a model if I felt that they had a compelling reason for asking me to do so.

I usually make back my investment on content within days after posting it, so it is no biggie.

Fotunately, the issue rarely comes up, because I approach most of my projects as a collaboration with the models/performers, and they understand from the outset that I will only shoot what they are comfortable with.

I've been shooting long enough that I have seen models leave modeling to pursue other career or life goals, and it is nice knowing that they do not look back at their work with me with regret.

I'm in business to make money, but I try to put people before profits.

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Nice. You have a new fan.

That`s a good answer for me! Business is business

ninavain, I like your contact page:

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Thanks.

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reject her famillys' entrance.

Whaaat? That is why we have the "Age of Consent". It is not the job of the site owners or content producers to be the psychologist for models. If they are of legal age and sign the proper forms it is a done deal.

I am happy to see someone taking a logical stance. MANY program owners on this board could take a lesson on this very subject.

FULL MARKS Nina.

Interesting topic. Its much safer imo to work with girls who are already pornstars and who have told their family already.

I was asked a few weeks ago to take down a photoset, which I did, but there are circumstances where its not possible to remove the naked pictures completely.. because 1) they're already on usegroups, 2) in stores on a DVD or 3) downloaded by other webmasters as zips for promo content.

What happens if one of these cases has happened and the girl is angry and threatening to take action?

i bet she'll threaten to have her lawyer contact you now :)

I am going to sign-up now.....knowing nina is looking after her business and affiliates.

I don't get how so many people come to the defense of these girls. If the person in question was some 30-year old hairy guy who asked you to take down his pictures, would anyone be on his side?

What people need to realize is that this is business. Yes it's a form of entertainment, but in the end, many people here make their living, pay their bills, and support their families on these sites. Taking down a site because a girl made a mistake not only hurts the site owner who dedicated hours of labor, money, and reputation to build it, but affiliates who spent their time and money to build pages and links to promote the girl.

Should a content producer lay out the facts that their pictures are out there forever no matter who they date? YES. Are they required to? NO. Fact is that the business world doesn't revolve around what "your boyfriend says" or what "your dad found out". If the girl doesn't tell her parents and boyfriend, tough shit, it's her decision. They had no problem taking the money for the photo shoots.

Argghh... she is not even that attractive.

i'd love to hear what JMM considers 'ruining someone's life' - cuz i've discussed that with my partner and the only way a site would ever come down we've decided is if was a dying girl's last request - i can't think of any other moral dilemma where taking down a site would be justified.

do you think VIVID Video or any other video company will recall DVD's when a model's life is 'ruined'? What about Hustler or Penthouse magazine? Why is the website operator any different?

no girl's life is ruined by a website - the wheels of her ruination if there is any were put in place by her and whoever raised her long before she ever takes off her clothes for a camera.

if the ruination of a life is 'my parents are freaking out' 'my friends are calling me a slut' 'my boyfriend is upset and he's going to leave me' - one big fucking YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNN - there is no ruination of a life there - just an 18 year old learning to deal with consequences of her actions.

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well said MUTT

Another excellent point!!:thumbsup

You know thats theyre problem. They know what theyre getting into. Its not our job to make sure of anything. Except, "are my batteriescharged?", "is there enough life?" and "oh fuck, her make up looks like shit! Someone fix it!"
Thats our job. :thumbsup

There aren't a lot of intelligent people in this business so it isn't that easy to have an intelligent business discussion. However, Mutt, you are one of the intelligent ones, so I will respond.

I said earlier we took a girls sets off of one of our sites at her request. When we shot the girl, she was 18 and stupid. Most of them are 18 and stupid when they shoot. We paid her $500 for the shoot, we made that back in a couple of days. Fast forward 4 years. The girl is 22 and has just completed 2 years of training to become an EMT with the county fire department. 3 weeks before her graduation someone at the department stumbles across her sets. She is told point blank, if the pictures dont come down, you are out. Are you HONESTLY telling me that you would tell this girl to go fuck herself? Of course you wouldn't. And to be 100% honest, I would not want to know or do business with ANYONE that would tell her to go fuck herself in this situation. That is just my opinion.

Another case. Just recently, here in Austin, some FINE ART NUDES of a teacher were discovered on the net. There was nothing pornographic about them. This woman, who dedicated her life to teaching, will NEVER teach again. A little different situation of course, but it pretty much fucked up her life.

Those are just two examples. We could sit here all day and come up with a few hundred hypothetical scenarios. A website IS different than a magazine or a DVD. Magazines and DVD's have limited runs and limited lives. Sure, they hang around a long time in someones basement or under the mattress, but for the most part, they are on the stand for a month and then they are all but forgotten until they appear again 6 years later in a plastic wrapped 3 pack at the 7-11. Websites are NOW. As long as they are up, they will always be NOW. It is a big difference.

If a model came to me tomorrow and wanted to get out of her site, I would do everything I could to come up with a compromise where all parties, me, her, and the affiliates, are not harmed. I wouldn't simply have a blanket policy of NO. There are several things that can be done that wouldn't hurt my business or the affiliates. If it turned out that was not the case, well then the answer might very well be, I'm sorry, but NO.

what the hell has that got to do with anything?