This is not news, anyone halfway in the know, already knew that...

well put Duke, I couldn't have said it better myself.

Some people are slow and like to start up bs drama and hide behind their fake nicks because they are too much of a pussy to man upto their posts.

What a stupid thread. Nats have been flawless for us. I think you are just a pussy and can't even post under you real nick so I take this thread as complete bullshit.

Mark

I thought everyone already knew he owned Teen Dolls? It's no big secret.

Wanna Speak Out Buddy? Use Your Own Fucking Name!

John, you fucker!

After I did a reverse-ip listing I saw that you are the one that own the domain I wanted 6-7 years ago. I had to reg it with dashes instead :winkwink:

The world is a small place :)

What domain? :)

Clever use of half truths - its becoming a bit of a pattern.

how many affi programs run nats? WAY too many to list. everyone knows what a great product nats is, why dont you post on your normal nick.

or we just wait for a mod to find out what other ips are being used on the board.

someones gonna get outed soon.

51 reasons why using fake nicks don't work

damn, thats shady business

who cares what he owns, I'm not worried unless somehow the software is diverting traffic to him, and it doesn't so this thread sucks!

John created an affiliate program to run his affiliate programs... People liked his program and asked that he make it available to other affiliate programs.

Being the kind guy he is he allowed all of us to have his same gun and his same ammo... He could have said no and went on with his life. He was doing great and made lots of money but he decided to help out everyone else.

You bought NATS or lease it on your own without anyone strong arming you. If you didn't know he runs affiliate programs you must be a complete shithead. I mean you really must have NO CLUE... His fucking nick here is PBucksJohn... What did you think the PBucks meant?

The only people who seem to have a problem with it are the people who forgot that John shares his affiliate program with them because they wanted it. Usually they are the same people that fuck people over because they don't want to get fucked over first. They do horable in all of their relationships...

The real reason you didn't post this under your own nick is because you are affraid we will stop promoting your sorry paranoid ass!

This thread is useless.

If you don't like NATS don't use them, there's nothing in this thread that makes them look shady one bit.

the guy can poke around in everyone elses programs.
see stats, traffic sources etc etc.

and since he's a competitor, i dont see how that can be a good thing.

I'm just passing by.....

This is the weirdest thread.. :helpme

well, as they say, if you don't like it, don't buy it. If you have NATS and have been living with your head up your ass and never knew these things, switch to another piece of software... I don't see the dilema here *shrugz*

Yeah I did I double take too

NATS rulez now see sig

John owning another 2 programs is a bad thing?

Hell, I think it's a good thing. I think it makes NATS that much better of a product.

And it would be found out very quickly and would be the end of NATS / TMM.

Many NATS admin's are IP restricted. The NATS owner can lock us out of their install by not giving us a username/password if they want.

There are server logs that would show it.

Emails are mostly seeded by program owners.

If affiliates were hit up they would talk.

This industry has lots of ears. I would never access someone's data for my own benefit. If I did it would be known very quickly.

I have been in the industry since 1996. I have owend paysites for a long time, long before NATS was started, and as I said before I can't just close them down. The vast majority of TMM's revenue is reinvested right back into it.

Nothing has ever been done secretly. I am in the open about what I own and most of the industry and nearly all if not all of our clients know this. They trust us. 100s of programs large and small. I think that speaks much louder than an anonymous person posting public whois info on a subject everyone already knows about.

I <3 Nats

How many people here realize that John made a very nice living for himself long before the existence of NATS?

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No shit sherlock.. DUH!!

I can't believe this idiot didn't know that John owns TeenDolls , lol

I am 100% convinced the vast majority really are truly clueless.

Wow... what news... Next thing you know, He'll let us all know that the owner of Adult.com owns GFY as well!

Who gives a shit?

I swear 90% of these drama threads are started for sig spots

not if he posted under a proxy - hopefullyhe was smart enough to do this

Which brings me to the question. Am I too late for one? :winkwink:

If John divested of his paysites, do you think it would help him in the long term build NATS?

take a look at this thread... obviously hes not the smartes cookie in the jar... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

ya no kidding :(

Gogobar has carved himself out a niche in the business and conducts himself very professional.

How many companies do you know of that set up a booth at Internext classroom style? That presentation was worth my entire Vegas trip otherwise the rest of the show floor was an entire wash.

Find a better axe to grind.
That dog aint hunting here.

Now that's not like he was hiding it or something. And if he started to sneak up into the affiliate programs admins and tried to steal affiliates, it wouldn't take too long before the word got out.

ok face the facts... if you use any leased software that is priced based on the # of sales you get, the company that leases it to you will always know how your biz is doing. get a clue.

Nuh uh no way! The next thing you are going to tell me is that Playboy is in on it too!

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