elron

http://switch5.castup.net/frames/200...050wmv&ak=null


Very rare to hear such stuff from arab people saying their opnion about the islam .
very recommended .

KingK7

The religion of peace?

Grapesoda

boy . she is soooooo dead now

jigg

She lives in LA and NY Times says after that interview she's received death threats over the phone.

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elron

yeah , i dont think any insurance company will accept to make her life insurance policy

Worldnet

Wow! That was good! Guess she is doomed now.

Webby

This has been used a lot to justify one thing or another.

The content of this badly edited "movie" does not represent the material broadcast by Al-Jazeera TV, Qatar and has been regenerated by a Washington-based lobby group, MEMRI, who have aims which are fundamentally to "inform the debate over U.S. policy in the Middle East".

Bottom line - very badly edited material with an agenda - basic propaganda.

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DaddyHalbucks

It's very refreshing to hear her openness.

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elron

I dont get it , what exactly was edited ? and why would muslim media station as Al-Jazeera would create propaganda against them religion of their own country ?

Grapesoda

yes, good question . . I was a bit confused too

scottybuzz

may have been paid

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Webby

The program was badly edited by MEMRI - not Al-Jazeera and only shows a fraction of the actual programming - and with almost all opposing views removed to show a one-sided "discussion".

Can you see any comments from anyone other than the "star"?

She may have valid points - but this is not a reflection on the actual program content, just suitable media for the masses.

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Lazonby

I've seen the entire interview (sorry, no link. I don't save these things in my favourites) and she wiped the floor with the oponents of her views. The hatred they had for her was unsurprising, since the punishment for anyone who leaves or critises Islam is death. It was especially insulting for the men arguing with her that she was a woman. She should have been at home producing children and submitting to marital rape.

This edited video is a fair representation of the entire thing.

stickyfingerz

Hmm interesting. Sleeper cell much?

TheSenator

She made very good points....

"Have Jews ever burn down a Christian temple?"

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Grapesoda

she's the 'bill cosby' of islam . . whoa!

Webby

If this was in fact a straight "story", - there is no need to cut out all other content. The final version looks like it was edited on a $50 edit suite with obvious chunks pulled out.

I spent four years in a basement cinema watching stuff like this (propaganda) - some if can be good, others, not so good - and this is definately in the "not so good category". If that was ever in doubt - just look at the source and reasoning behind even bothering to purchase the material from Al-Jazeera and then go and hack it.

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elron

I still dont get it , you said "badly edited" . removing opposing views are the "badly edit" that you meant ? or did i miss here anything ?

Webby

Both man... the discussion has been edited out and the "technical cuts" are an abomination.

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Libertine

She conveniently forgot about the whole issue of zionist terrorism, though.

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elron

They cut out the opposite views because it's irrelevant . This entire interview was all about her opinion only .

Webby

Exactly the basis on which MEMRI would attempt to justify the hacking - "let's dump all else, we just want to show her doing the verbal. It serves our purpose". On that alone, all cred just disappears.

There's are "art" in editing - part of that does not include cherry-picking.

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elron

decide already , was it "badly edited" or there were just "technical cuts" ?

Libertine

When cuts destroy the discussion in favour of a single point of view, they aren't technical but political cuts

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elron

Yeah that's what they actually wanted , to show her doing the verbal because you dont hear arab who speak against the islam at the biggest arab media network every day .
How in the hell is that considered as hacking ?

elron

that wasn't a discussion from the first place . that's an interview of arab woman who says her opinion .

Webby

??? The orginal Al-Jazeera material showing an actual discussion was edited out to show a solo performance of one view. That immediately takes it out of balance and negates the credibility. A "discussion" has more than one view.

In addition the whole damned thing was run thru a $50 defective edit suite incapable of managing a sound track without clicks on every part they hacked.

Al-Jazeera's edit staff would be embarassed to produce crap like that

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Webby

Sure.. hear you - but her opinion don't mean shit when all other aspects have been removed. It's got to have cred and balance - else we might as well pick up any arab woman in the street to let her spew a diatribe.

If anything, they probably screwed her whole interview up by hacking the content - she did in fact have valid points - but the editing discredited her because there was no "other side".

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Bottom line here folks is, it does not fit Webby's agenda. His agenda is anti the President, anti America, and anti Americans. Just do a search on his babblings.

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BTW folks he is a broke ass person that lives in a third world country and is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, liar on this board.

Webby

Sure... and without getting into some political bullshit sada for one side or the other, - the US budget for propaganda in the Middle East has increased substatially and is now having an impact on Pakistan and India.

And.. without being cynical - who the fuck is this woman who may or may not be on the payroll? She may well be expressing her own views - and with good foundation, - but who the hell knows what's behind it?

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Webby

Stupid sicko lying old man who has little to offer than be a chatboard stalker.

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elron

That's right , we all wanted to see her own view , the oppositve which you call "views" would be to insult her , and defend the islam , that's not what we wanted to hear .
I still dont see why would this be considered as "$50 defective edit suite" .

Admit that her words are very sour to you , and by telling is that it was "edited" you turn the subject to a whole different matter - the propaganda of memri , so we wont discuss about islam , but on memri .

Isn't that what you wanted ?

Mr. Blue

Editing out the counterpoint isn't making it propoganda piece its only turned this into an editorial of her beliefs. Inserting the counterpoint doesn't change her beliefs and her beliefs are interesting. I don't see too many arabic women being able to express their opinions openly like that and even if it is edited into an editorial, it doesn't change the substance of what she said.

So, I'm not really sure why you're getting your shorts in a bunch over it...I'll see if I can find the full interview and post a link, but it won't change the editorial nature of what she said.

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Lazonby

This edited video is a fair representation of the entire thing.

Webby

"You" may want to hear her - fine. That does not make it a rational or balance view in any way. "We" may want to hear other than just one side - that is what fair and balanced editoring reporting is all about.

I really don't have any opinions to offer either for or against - when the material is hacked - it's hard to see any balanced view. My opinions don't matter a shit either way - I was simply pointing out the edited source of this material and that it has no credibility.

It has everything to do with the source - eg MEMRI - what do you expect from a Washington based lobby group with aims to place a good light on US policy in the Middle East? There is nada more need be said on that - it's clear as day - the source has no cred.

Sure.. if you want to watch one-sided unbalanced reporting of a TV program from the Middle East - it's a free world

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"It has everything to do with the source - eg MEMRI - what do you expect from a Washington based lobby group with aims to place a good light on US policy in the Middle East? "

Folks as I stated before it does not fit into Webby's anti America agenda and that is why it has his panties in a bunch.

Webby

I'd expect that to press the old sicko's buttons and get him stalking again - so predictable

Go away and grow up before posting again.

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elron

actually we do see that muslim preecher who calls her stupid and insults her as much as he can . Is that what you call "opposite view" ?

Webby

I have no interest whatsoever in participating in a boring old GFY "discussion" about "sides".

Whatever is said is better said in that a fair and balanced view is presented. If someone resorts to insults and bullshit - that reflects back on them.

To be honest, my only interest in this is in the quality of the media and balance (it's something from an early past training) - it's not about Lebanon or Israel, - only about fair and balanced footage.

That aside - sure, on a casual basis she sure has an interesting mouth - tho not unique, and makes good TV.

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Mr. Blue

http://aqoul.com/images/wafa_sultan.pdf

There's the transcript, I couldn't find the video so if anyone wants to do a little reading go ahead I personally liked this exchange at the end of the conversation between the host and Ibrahim al-Khouly

lol, go Wasa Sultan, it's too bad you're getting death threats for stating an opposing opinion.

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elron

Na you only interest was to change the whole subject from discussion about islam , to claiming that memri are hackers and bad editers and some other ridiculous arguments .

OG LennyT

your an idiot.

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sacX

you're an idiot, idiot.

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Libertine

And that is exactly how this video, presented in this way, is propaganda. That guy said a lot more, but this part was deliberately chosen, making him look even worse than he does in the interview as a whole.

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Webby

Totally wrong and absurd.

I was never discussing Islam and have no interest in discussing Islam or any other religion.

I was discussing the quality of a movie edited by MEMRI and what you purported to be the "Islam - The Actual Truth". It comprises of the verbal of one woman - and clearly is her opinion. It is not even a discussion on Islam or anything else.

Of course MEMRI are hackers - that is exactly their function, namely to "inform the debate over U.S. policy in the Middle East". The content is edited very badly - no doubts of that.

There are plenty govt based orgs and lobby groups - not just in the US, who also purvey what they claim to be fair and balanced reporting - including the "propagada department" of my own govt who churn out crap to suit the occasion. MEMRI is just one such organization. There was never a lobby group on this planet who never had an agenda - otherwise they serve no purpose.

Try all the side-tracking and deviancy on someone else - I got better things to spend time on that listen to justifications that may suit you or how MEMRI is an "independent news source".

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ronbotx

Agreed. As if Al-Jazeera is "fair and balanced" to begin with and not the official mouthpiece for Al-Qaeda and the rest of the Islamo-Nazis.

BTW you forgot to add anti-Israel and anti-military to the above list.

sacX

well that woman wasn't any of the above, maybe you have a point but this video certainly isn't it.

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Pleasurepays

although i applaud the speaker for everything she said and agree for the most part... i think that even a retarded monkey can see that the video is heavily edited, poorly edited and is not in any way a reflection of the actual interview in its entirety.


propaganda is propaganda... agreeing with it, doesn't make it something else.