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spacedog · 08-13-2006, 06:09 PM

forgot to add one thing ..

suppose I have flash movie labeled XXX Sex Movies..

p2p user downloads it off my machine..
now p2p user has it on his machine so now next person searching for XXX Sex Movies can download it from either me, or the other person,,, (as long as his p2p client is open & he's sharing it..)

It gets viral... several thousands of people could be sharing your same exact file...

Linguist · 08-13-2006, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

forgot to add one thing ..

suppose I have flash movie labeled XXX Sex Movies..

p2p user downloads it off my machine..
now p2p user has it on his machine so now next person searching for XXX Sex Movies can download it from either me, or the other person,,, (as long as his p2p client is open & he's sharing it..)

It gets viral... several thousands of people could be sharing your same exact file...

bro, not to rain on your parade, but it gets slightly more comlicated than that. I tried running several p2p clients on a machine and it doesn't work very well - that is unless you're happy wih less than 500 uploads a day.

mrkris · 08-13-2006, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Spudstr

not even, learn to use resources VPS + SAN ftw.

Spud knows his shit

spacedog · 08-13-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Linguist

bro, not to rain on your parade, but it gets slightly more comlicated than that. I tried running several p2p clients on a machine and it doesn't work very well - that is unless you're happy wih less than 500 uploads a day.

If 500 people download a file, then those 500 files are now on 500 other machines,,,,so now p2p users can now find the same file from 500 other people,,,,

It may be more complicated for others, such as those on slower PCs, or slower connections,,, (that's why you pay the p2pads people,, they can do it much faster...

In my case, I have a separate PC just for the p2p..

Digipimp · 08-13-2006, 06:27 PM

hook it up nukka

woj · 08-13-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

If 500 people download a file, then those 500 files are now on 500 other machines,,,,so now p2p users can now find the same file from 500 other people,,,,

It may be more complicated for others, such as those on slower PCs, or slower connections,,, (that's why you pay the p2pads people,, they can do it much faster...

In my case, I have a separate PC just for the p2p..

come on dude, admit it, you are full of shit... With your strategy you will pay more for electricity bill to keep your home computer running 24/7 than the traffic it brings in is worth...

marketsmart · 08-13-2006, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

run several p2p clients off your machine..

set up your pc so that only one specific directory can be shared..
fill this directory with encoded files that are linked to your site, or embedded with a popup.. html pages with image hosted on site, linked back to site... etc, etc

html pages with popups.. swf files are great for linking back to sites, sponsors, etc... alot of p2p users want movies.. convert your movies to flash based.. much easier to add links, redirects, popups etc to a flash file than fucking with a .mov .wmv etc...

You can run several p2p clients at same time if you have enough speed.. then the users on the p2p network will find your files if they are searching for terms you use,,,, IE: Jenna Jameson Sex Movies... if you have a .swf labeled Jenna Jameson Sex Movies, the p2p user searching this will find you & download it off your pc... if you have links or popups embedded into that .swf file, it generates traffic.. even if it were an image, a watermarked url generates type ins..

i hate to bust yuor bubble, but doing the above and you can get maybe 500-1000 uploads a day....

i know, before i had my own p2p app built, i was expirimenting with p2p using 10 servers and out of the box p2p apps....

spacedog · 08-13-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

i hate to bust yuor bubble, but doing the above and you can get maybe 500-1000 uploads a day....

i know, before i had my own p2p app built, i was expirimenting with p2p using 10 servers and out of the box p2p apps....

yeah, but the files are still accessable on the other machines because it is now shared on the other users machine..

Like I said in the other post, if 500 transfers take place, that file is now on 500 other machines & other users can now download it from 500 other people.. & so on & so on..

marketsmart · 08-13-2006, 06:32 PM

btw... 80-85% of users don't share....

Digipimp · 08-13-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

yeah, but the files are still accessable on the other machines because it is now shared on the other users machine..

Like I said in the other post, if 500 transfers take place, that file is now on 500 other machines & other users can now download it from 500 other people.. & so on & so on..

yeah only problem is 495 of them will delete your file because it's just a short ad

spacedog · 08-13-2006, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Digipimp

yeah only problem is 495 of them will delete your file because it's just a short ad

And what, you think people are paying p2pads to upload full length movies, lol

Digipimp · 08-13-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

And what, you think people are paying p2pads to upload full length movies, lol

sure looks like you missed the point, good luck though

goldrush · 08-13-2006, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

i hate to bust yuor bubble, but doing the above and you can get maybe 500-1000 uploads a day....

i know, before i had my own p2p app built, i was expirimenting with p2p using 10 servers and out of the box p2p apps....

So you have a custom ap that shares on multiple p2p networks at the same time?

spacedog · 08-13-2006, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by goldrush

So you have a custom ap that shares on multiple p2p networks at the same time?

And they have several servers to do it off of too.. much faster than what I said.

marketsmart · 08-13-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by goldrush

So you have a custom ap that shares on multiple p2p networks at the same time?

yes..........

Juicy D. Links · 08-13-2006, 06:47 PM

my app is better but i keep it to myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

marketsmart · 08-13-2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

my app is better but i keep it to myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you do have a nice post bot... can i have it?

pr0 · 08-13-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

run several p2p clients off your machine..

set up your pc so that only one specific directory can be shared..
fill this directory with encoded files that are linked to your site, or embedded with a popup.. html pages with image hosted on site, linked back to site... etc, etc

html pages with popups.. swf files are great for linking back to sites, sponsors, etc... alot of p2p users want movies.. convert your movies to flash based.. much easier to add links, redirects, popups etc to a flash file than fucking with a .mov .wmv etc...

You can run several p2p clients at same time if you have enough speed.. then the users on the p2p network will find your files if they are searching for terms you use,,,, IE: Jenna Jameson Sex Movies... if you have a .swf labeled Jenna Jameson Sex Movies, the p2p user searching this will find you & download it off your pc... if you have links or popups embedded into that .swf file, it generates traffic.. even if it were an image, a watermarked url generates type ins..

spacedog, cmon man....for real

jay23 · 08-13-2006, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart

These are our conversions for the month of July with 8 randomly selected sponsors...

Sponsor #1 1 in 332
Sponsor #2 1 in 383
Sponsor #3 1 in 51 (Free Join-Dating)
Sponsor #4 1 in 2259
Sponsor #5 1 in 3180
Sponsor #6 1 in 416
Sponsor #7 1 in 63 (Free Join-Dating)
Sponsor #8 1 in 620

As some one who has been working on P2P for years, I love to know how you can get ratios like these. What I am seeing on my traffic is ratios like 1:30K, but since the band width is free I dont care.

Also if your ratios are this good then why not do this your self and make money insted of selling the traffic to others.

Jay

marketsmart · 08-13-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jay23

As some one who has been working on P2P for years, I love to know how you can get ratios like these. What I am seeing on my traffic is ratios like 1:30K, but since the band width is free I dont care.

Also if your ratios are this good then why not do this your self and make money insted of selling the traffic to others.

Jay

well... there are def a lot of ways to maximize your p2p traffic.... i will leave it at that...

marketsmart · 08-13-2006, 09:59 PM

also, i should mention that a took a sampling from 8 random sponsors... there are some sponsors that we didnt make a sale with and so they were dropped... p2p doesnt work for everyone, we know this..

jay23 · 08-13-2006, 10:02 PM

Even with SE traffic its hard to get 1:300, so if you can get that ratio on P2P then my hats off to you, but as some one who has made a living sending traffic to prgrams using P2P I still dont see how....goood luck

Jay

djscrib · 08-13-2006, 10:03 PM

I've seen roughly 1:700 conversions for P2P ads. Keep in mind, people in P2P are already grabbing free content so pay sites tend to convert poorly. I've seen the best ratios on dating sites, or those Toolbar installations.

Now this comes from the perspective of someone who supplies DRM services to other P2P advertisers.

As for the guy saying you can do P2P ads with your home PC, nice try. While you can probably make a few bucks per month, the truth is your files are very rarely re-shared and the bulk of your traffic will all come from your server. Thus 1 server will cap out your home bandwidth quickly. I do think a home PC with a decent DSL line might be able to make a couple hundred bucks/month though if they really get lucky.

What the P2P guys do is basically build their own network of interconnected P2P "supernodes" and then modify the software so that any search term returns one of their files as a result. (instead of only returning your shared files in the results). Also by interconnecting the nodes they work to get it so taht all their servers are only a couple "hops" away from the vast majority of surfers.

So overall it's more complex than just sharing a bunch of files on Limewire if you want to make real money at it. Unless you have a hardcore programmer up your sleeve it's gonna cost you a lot less overall to use them than try building your own solution.

And as a shameless plug for my DRM service, we'll give anyone free DRM capabilites (to pop up html windows when users try playing downloaded wmv files) in exchange for 15% of the traffic to display our own ads. Keep in mind, users very often try playing the file multiple times after seeing a popup so even though we rake 15%, something like 95% of people still see your ad.

[email protected]

marketsmart · 08-13-2006, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by djscrib

I've seen roughly 1:700 conversions for P2P ads. Keep in mind, people in P2P are already grabbing free content so pay sites tend to convert poorly. I've seen the best ratios on dating sites, or those Toolbar installations.

Now this comes from the perspective of someone who supplies DRM services to other P2P advertisers.

As for the guy saying you can do P2P ads with your home PC, nice try. While you can probably make a few bucks per month, the truth is your files are very rarely re-shared and the bulk of your traffic will all come from your server. Thus 1 server will cap out your home bandwidth quickly. I do think a home PC with a decent DSL line might be able to make a couple hundred bucks/month though if they really get lucky.

What the P2P guys do is basically build their own network of interconnected P2P "supernodes" and then modify the software so that any search term returns one of their files as a result. (instead of only returning your shared files in the results). Also by interconnecting the nodes they work to get it so taht all their servers are only a couple "hops" away from the vast majority of surfers.

So overall it's more complex than just sharing a bunch of files on Limewire if you want to make real money at it. Unless you have a hardcore programmer up your sleeve it's gonna cost you a lot less overall to use them than try building your own solution.

And as a shameless plug for my DRM service, we'll give anyone free DRM capabilites (to pop up html windows when users try playing downloaded wmv files) in exchange for 15% of the traffic to display our own ads. Keep in mind, users very often try playing the file multiple times after seeing a popup so even though we rake 15%, something like 95% of people still see your ad.

[email protected]

you are 100% correct... plus a few other things added....

again, in terms of conversions, we do some creative things.. nothing magical, but we have figured out how to maximize the traffic and get higher conversions ratios...

c-lo · 08-13-2006, 10:48 PM

A lot of good dialogue in this thread.

I've always been interested in taking advantage of P2P apps but haven't yet. Maybe when I come to my senses I'll shoot one of you guys an email.

Good luck fellas,
c-lo

Linguist · 08-13-2006, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jay23

As some one who has been working on P2P for years, I love to know how you can get ratios like these. What I am seeing on my traffic is ratios like 1:30K, but since the band width is free I dont care.

Also if your ratios are this good then why not do this your self and make money insted of selling the traffic to others.

Jay

Hey Jay,

If your ratios off p2p traffic are at 1:30k then you should take a look at how you present the surfer with the ad. Just throwing an ad up will not make them buy things. As Mark from p2pads wisely said a while back, you have to "work with the surfer". They are very specific audience, but they DO have credit cards and they WILL buy things. It just takes a bit of work from the marketing point of view, but ratios like posted by marketsmart are not unrealistic - but granted they are quite good.

Purple Haze · 08-13-2006, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

run several p2p clients off your machine..

set up your pc so that only one specific directory can be shared..
fill this directory with encoded files that are linked to your site, or embedded with a popup.. html pages with image hosted on site, linked back to site... etc, etc

html pages with popups.. swf files are great for linking back to sites, sponsors, etc... alot of p2p users want movies.. convert your movies to flash based.. much easier to add links, redirects, popups etc to a flash file than fucking with a .mov .wmv etc...

You can run several p2p clients at same time if you have enough speed.. then the users on the p2p network will find your files if they are searching for terms you use,,,, IE: Jenna Jameson Sex Movies... if you have a .swf labeled Jenna Jameson Sex Movies, the p2p user searching this will find you & download it off your pc... if you have links or popups embedded into that .swf file, it generates traffic.. even if it were an image, a watermarked url generates type ins..

Sounds like the right way to track to see if the P2P is working for you.

Purple Haze

08-13-2006, 06:27 PM	#55
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08-13-2006, 10:03 PM	#73
djscrib Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 147	I've seen roughly 1:700 conversions for P2P ads. Keep in mind, people in P2P are already grabbing free content so pay sites tend to convert poorly. I've seen the best ratios on dating sites, or those Toolbar installations. Now this comes from the perspective of someone who supplies DRM services to other P2P advertisers. As for the guy saying you can do P2P ads with your home PC, nice try. While you can probably make a few bucks per month, the truth is your files are very rarely re-shared and the bulk of your traffic will all come from your server. Thus 1 server will cap out your home bandwidth quickly. I do think a home PC with a decent DSL line might be able to make a couple hundred bucks/month though if they really get lucky. What the P2P guys do is basically build their own network of interconnected P2P "supernodes" and then modify the software so that any search term returns one of their files as a result. (instead of only returning your shared files in the results). Also by interconnecting the nodes they work to get it so taht all their servers are only a couple "hops" away from the vast majority of surfers. So overall it's more complex than just sharing a bunch of files on Limewire if you want to make real money at it. Unless you have a hardcore programmer up your sleeve it's gonna cost you a lot less overall to use them than try building your own solution. And as a shameless plug for my DRM service, we'll give anyone free DRM capabilites (to pop up html windows when users try playing downloaded wmv files) in exchange for 15% of the traffic to display our own ads. Keep in mind, users very often try playing the file multiple times after seeing a popup so even though we rake 15%, something like 95% of people still see your ad. [email protected] Last edited by djscrib; 08-13-2006 at 10:04 PM..

08-13-2006, 10:48 PM	#75
c-lo Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: On search pages, on ICQ @ 308 7 43669, and in the U.S. Posts: 925	A lot of good dialogue in this thread. I've always been interested in taking advantage of P2P apps but haven't yet. Maybe when I come to my senses I'll shoot one of you guys an email. Good luck fellas, c-lo __________________ The AlphaPhaze Network Traffic & Hardlink Trades \| Sponsors \| Resources The adult marketing network you can trust Last edited by c-lo; 08-13-2006 at 10:49 PM.. Reason: grammatical error

08-13-2006, 06:09 PM	#51
spacedog Yes that IS me. Bitch. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 14,149	forgot to add one thing .. suppose I have flash movie labeled XXX Sex Movies.. p2p user downloads it off my machine.. now p2p user has it on his machine so now next person searching for XXX Sex Movies can download it from either me, or the other person,,, (as long as his p2p client is open & he's sharing it..) It gets viral... several thousands of people could be sharing your same exact file...

08-13-2006, 06:32 PM	#59
marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	btw... 80-85% of users don't share....

08-13-2006, 06:47 PM	#66
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	my app is better but i keep it to myself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

08-13-2006, 09:59 PM	#71
marketsmart HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sunnybrook Institution for the Criminally Insane Posts: 20,419	also, i should mention that a took a sampling from 8 random sponsors... there are some sponsors that we didnt make a sale with and so they were dropped... p2p doesnt work for everyone, we know this..

08-13-2006, 10:02 PM	#72
jay23 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,444	Even with SE traffic its hard to get 1:300, so if you can get that ratio on P2P then my hats off to you, but as some one who has made a living sending traffic to prgrams using P2P I still dont see how....goood luck Jay