You must be fucking kidding. And 150 or 200 or whatever.

"disallowed the software"

Phrased to imply actions taken to cause nats problem ???????

was this already resolved ?

I have a feeling you didn't read much on both threads, right?
Your comment is just as much as a joke.

Then why haven't they defended themselves more? Why haven't they provided screenshots of CCBill numbers that they paid? Why hasn't this been sorted out?

I would think if I were accused of shaving, I would have proof I didn't as quickly as possible. I would be on the phone non-stop to get it straightened out and prove that I wasn't a thief. Why are we almost a week into this without a response with substance?

well said

Nice, there are always 2 sides of the story.

you're confusing me with xclusive again :error

daym tucker good luck man if there is anything we can do to help let me know...

it does make you wonder doesn't it?

There is nothing to 'wonder' about my children.

The holy NATS has exposed these lucifers. They are hiding, planning the next move, beware being bitten twice by the snake of poisonous greed.

bump to the top again

Hmm, its been 3 days and not one reply yet. You'd think with claims as damaging as this to a company, that they would be trying to respond to questions and offering explainations pronto !

Yep fucked up for sure... Me thinks they are trying to be tricky and the situation will take an intresting turn.

I hate the smell of jacked rebills in the morning

Ditto, and the smell just keeps getting worse the longer this goes on without resolution

Not even a resolution... how about a responce, I think they have had more then enough time to look "into" the issue and come back with a yep there was an issue here is your money or nope no issue your all crazy please carry on! The longer it goes unanswerd the more it hurts their own reputation... They think NATS did damage? HA making a thread like this and never comming back just pretty much put the gun to your own head! :Oh crap

i sure hope SonofJesus' posts are :1orglaugh

as a NATS customer the whole thing did kind of scare me that they have such power, but as an affiliate it made me feel warm and fuzzy.

Did I just see a post from John in here about how they verified this as true? I don't have any horse in this race, but I did spend two years as one of the VP's at CCBill, and back then, our contract was with the MERCHANT. Not with any third party software vendor.

What does that mean, some of you may be asking yourselves right about now? Well, that means that other than the NR folks, NO ONE would have access to their CCBill account UNLESS they had given them access to it. I can't, in any real sense, imagine that CCBill has changed their contract to allow others to access accounts that don't belong to them.

In that case, did NATS have access to NR's CCBill account at some point? And was that access limited to whatever they needed in the install process? Or is there something in the NATS terms that say you have to give them ongoing access to your processing accounts?

And the fact that NATS is basically holding sales hostage so that no affiliates get paid at the moment is what this appears to be in my eyes.

As I said above, I don't have any particular interest in either party... and I'm not saying that either party is right, or that either party is telling the whole story. I just find this odd beyond belief that something could be verified through CCBill without the account owner allowing access either on an unlimited basis or specifically at different times and it doesn't really sound to me as if Chris, on his drive from FL to NC, would have called up CCBill and authorized NATS to access his account. Nor does it sound like he would have given NATS a user pass to that account if he was angry and hung up on them.

I'm sure there's ALOT more to this story than meets the eye.

I am pretty sure at this point that they shaved..


The piling up of rebills not being notice is BULLSHIT!

what's the outcome of this ?

they be snakes on a plane muffukah!

NATS can tell from simply looking at the billers logs on the server that NATS keeps and then checking the # of rebills that shows up in the admin of the sponsors NATS install.

there's no way CCBILL gave em access to the webmaster CCBILL account, never happened, no freakin way, if they did CCBILL would get sued so fast.

also NATS probably discovered all this when the sponsor either needed something fixed, or when NATS went on the sponsors server to update NATS (they do periodic updates).

NATS would have the billing logs handy for every program they process for if they wanted to peruse them?

I'm stunned.

you'll learn something new every day

unless there was a supoena involved, in which ccbill would have to turn over the #'s

yes, you are correct, I don't believe there were any subpoenas here though :thumbsup

what you don't know CAN hurt you ;)

well, maybe not you directly...LOL

are you saying that TMM subpoenaed CCBIll to see their stats? If you think that I'd suggest you stick to your tinfoil hat club ;)

I never said that :winkwink:

i don't know anything

seriously

ok, I believe you

I'd imagine a subpoeanas wouldnt be needed, I mean if I was NRM would be pulling my CCbill stats and compare to what NATS has.. if numbers match up... there's no problem, and if there's nothing to hide it wouldn't take a supoena or 3 days to get that done

Unless your trying to buy time? :Oh crap

yeah, but in my experience the only people that try and buy time after an accusation like this, are the guilty ones

sadly I have to agree

any news about this ?

Bump for an informative thread!

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Great post KimmyKim and I agree there is a whole lot more to this story than what's in the thread. Something stinks here beyond the surface. This to me appears to be part of a larger picture...

well, now that it has been days and there hasn't been any resolution, I imagine there is WAY more to this story than what we are seeing

if I was a company accused of shaving, I would want to clear it up ASAP....doesn't seem lik xclusive is even trying to clear it all up

The assumptions people are making seem funny to me.

Especially you Jace given the quote in your sig. The idea that somebody is guilty just because they aren't on gfy rolling in the mud seems ludicrous.

For all anybody here knows, their lawyer told them that it would be a bad idea for them to post about the subject as they prepare their suit.

Do you assume every person who gets involved in a legal battle and says "No comment" is secretly saying "I'm guilty" ? Of course not, anything they say can be brought up in court.

I have NO idea what happened in the situation, I haven't talked to anybody about it, but what I do know is that one person (john) posted one thing in a thread, the gfy witch hunt started, and lawyers got involved.

There is nothing xclusivecash can post here to help themselves out here. If they say "we didnt do it" everybody will scream that they are liars. If they say "we did it on accident" everybody will scream that they are liars. If they say "we did it on purpose" everybody will scream that they are theives.

This is really a lot like the witch hunts, throw them in the water... if they float their witches, if they drown they werent. Until I hear a recording of the phone call I'm not going to assume that the guy was "rude" and screamed profanity before hanging up.

You keep indicating that you know a lot more than you're letting on... so if you have more information then why not share it instead of just pouring gas on the fire and participating in a witch hunt.

I hate witch hunts

good luck getting it resolved

The Dingo Ate Your Baby!

eat my poopy

I just noticed something about this statement that I guess I didn't catch before.....but Chris didn't say once in that statement that "we are working with NATS to have this issue resolved immediately"....

Because they're not... They cared more about sueing NATs than making sure their affiliates got/get paid.

You noticed that too eh? It speaks volumes.