Hmmm.... they didn't notice the extra income piling up due to rebills not being paid out to their affiliates.

The sound of axes grinding is almost deafening...

Whatever you choose to read into the original post, it was a carefully phrased statement of fact: discrepancies had been reported to NATS, they attempted to contact the client about the issue, were spoken to in abusive language and hung up on. They suspended the client's license.

By what possible logic are you turning Xclusive into the victim? Their reaction to NATS' call is what changed discrepancies into the perception of possible cheating. If they had behaved professionally and resolved the issue, there would have been no statement for NATS to make, let alone one which lent itself to a very negative interpretation.

cough cough.....I would imagine they did

TMM just saw another opportunity to promote themselves as the white knights of adult fighting against shaving.
Imagine you being an honest program-owner doing the best you can for every party involved and after a hard day you get a phonecall from some software develloper telling you "hey fucker you are shaving, we caught you and unless you suck up we are going to expose you" how would you react? We have no idea how the initial phonecall went. It's easy to put blaim and only listen to the side of the story that suits you. I believe it's very unresponible behavior of tmm of posting such accusations after 1phonecall without actually knowing themselves what happend. I hope for them they can make the accusations hard and otherswise all program owners should consider what TMM can do to their program.

Yeah...I'm sure John would call up them and say hey fucker you are shaving...

bit of a drama, hope it gets sorted

Okay lets put a twist on this...

John doesn't make a thread...He suspends their license and waits for Xclusive to figure out they are going to have to be professional to get things straight...

Later that day...Xclusive makes a thread on gfy "NATS LOCKED US OUT OF OUR SYSTEM!!!" Wow...This would have gone alot different eh?

Every webmaster would have jumped on NATS about them loosing income because Xclusive couldn't log in and do anything...All of the sudden all the heat is on NATS because they were doing the responsible thing...Not to mention im sure its in their original contract or terms of service with Xclusive...

John is protecting his products integrity and name...See how many licenses he has with different sponsors? Would he risk all that over one site? Certain things he can't say on GFY...Just because he didn't give us a 5 page report on what was said or what was done or what is seen. Doesn't mean he doesn't have the proof or the justice for this.

Xclusive makes it as if John called them and said they are shaving...and refused to show them the proof...Notice how he added all the crap before saying the phone call with John...what does that matter for this situation?

how does a 3rd party report discrepancies? only people with access to both the nats admin and ccbill stats would have the ability to see a discrepancy.

how is xclusivecash supposed to pay their affiliates without access to the admin?

this is curious indeed.

LOL...i always have to laugh at shit like this

yeah, a multi-million dollar a year company is going to play GFY drama queen and post shit on the boards without having any hard proof

yeah, right

You can't be serious.

Do realize how damaging this information would be for TMM and EVERY CLIENT of NATS if the info was released by an outside party?

I would venture to guess that is the least of their worries

in fact, i KNOW that is the least of their worries right now

my big question is actually this...how are they going to afford to pay affiliates the back pay from those rebills?

i was not expecting a statement saying: yeah. we shaved, i confirm it lol
so im not surprised

People run their mouth too much most of the time...Or a ton of rebills not rebilling...

Anything can lead to a simple investigation on NATS...If no one is guilty...then no issues checking things out to make sure.

That would have probably helped their case better

Okay Okay...we did it...we shaved...Whenever John hit me up...I was stressed from my trip...And I got frustrated because we got caught...It caught me totally off guard...I thought no one would know...Then out of the blue I got this call...Yeah I cussed at him and hung out...I feel really bad and unprofessional...Okay everyone we are sorry...We won't shave again...Here's a cookie lets just pretend this didn't happen...


Hey it worked for other GFY'ers

That is a good question. I'm sure TMM would have a limited access for payment or a dump of the payroll information. Inside NATS it's easy to dump the payroll information in multiple formats.

Though in all appearances it does not sound like correct affiliate payments were a big issue before. Affiliates of Xclusive sound like they'll be in for a nice windfall when/if this issue is cleared up, similar to the Mayors Money correction in May.

The principles of Xclusive should have a talk with Mayors Money to see how to correctly handle a situation like this. :2 cents:

P.S. Not saying ANYTHING negative against Mayors Money at all. They are an amazing program. :)

"Oh shit, there is a problem? Show me the figures/proof and we will get it sorted out." Not piss off and only talk to my lawyer. But that's just me I suppose.

That doesn't really sound to me like someone interested in getting the issue resolved quickly and affiliates paid. It looks more like someone stalling for time.

Yep... :Oh crap

Presuming they were innocent of 'shaving' this is another example of people in the porn business with no real idea on how to conduct themselves properly in a business environment.

At any stage of this it could have been resolved with no damage done, even after the initial thread. Both the initial reaction to the problem and following it up with lawyers has increased the damage to reputation 100 fold. Communicating with TMM at any stage and psoting that this has been resolved and was a simple mistake and understanding would have prevented almost any damage. It may even have been a good thing and given xclusivecash some high profile publicity.

As it stands though the speculation will continue for a very long time and nobody will benefit other than lawyers. Crazy.

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and the people who have lost rebills.

Any company that got caught shaving would bend over backwards to lie to make it seem like they had no idea what happend. I'm not saying that Xclusive Cash is doing that...its too early.

But don't expect them to be like... "Okay, we did it ...we're sorry"

John could post direct stat screen shots showing discrepancies and Xclusive Cash would probaby accuse TMM of tampering with it during the installation. Trust me, I'm in the software business and that wouldn't make a lick of sense :winkwink:

So true

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We are a fairly new program with NATS and we also had the rebill import problem which PBjohn speaks of. I cant say the exact date we made the fix, but it was fairly recent. I caught the rebill mistake after the first month, when it became quite noticable that NATS was not tracking rebills. I contacted TMM and we had the problem fixed that day. From what I remember it wasnt a tough fix and TMM was very helpful as ussual. The hard part was watching all those damn rebills roll in over the next week and having to whip out the old pocket book. :Oh crap

IMO NATS has been very professional with me and my program and Boris has been more than patient when having to deal me calling him all the time for help.

What is the reason for the discrepancies with the rebills? Why does it continue to happen?

Well two things here, NR said that they were in the middle of driving back or something. So it's safe to assume that they didn't have access to all of the ccbill/nats stats, at least not in a real usable form. Also, let's say they are the honest program owner as the person I was replying to stated, then they didn't know about the "honest" error. So in this case they would need the info from TMM either by voice or example.

I'm not sticking up for NR in the least bit, I'm 100% on the side of TMM and saying I would have handled it much differently if I were NR and it was an "honest" mistake.

its kind of funny actually.. nats wont do business with epiccash just because john doesnt like me.

he takes things VERY personal , and thinks with his heart not his head. you cant do that in business, as it will surely fail sooner or later. probably sooner.

I dont even know john, or really care about the whole deal.. Just wanted to let everyone know john doesnt do business with paying clients with large programs because of someones board persona.

heh like there are not alternative solutions out there anyways that wont hold your admin hostage on a whimb.

good luck getting it resolved, and when you do, switch to mpa3 asap or write your own backend.

you need to have total control of your business before you lose control of everything

I told Media when he first came to me that I had a problem with you. After speaking with him I told him it wasn't a problem and the programs were welcome to use NATS.

Do I have a problem with you? Yes. You attack people for no reason and look to just create problems. Sorry if you see it as strange that I might not want to do business with someone who looks to create problems and "drama" on a constant basis. However, as I said, I've overlooked that and enjoy working with Media & Jim.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that TMM can't write and say that that directly.

The only reason they couldnt say it directly is if they do not KNOW if it is in fact true - and thats the reason it shouldnt have come to the board.

if they knew it to be true and didn't come to the boards, then I would imagine affiliates could take action against them in some way

regardless, they have laywers advising them, so whatever they did was the correct legal course of action....and fact remains, once this entire situation is made public you will see how serious it is and why things were stated the way they were...it is a crazy fucked up situation and people will be going down, and seriously hard too

OK - I will hold my hands up - you obviously have some interest in this and know the inside scoop.

Im just trying to get a little balance into a very one sided debate, but I can only work with what I am given - ie. What is posted here.

Lol, how i said, principally it shouldn't need much IQ and Brain to realize that it was said "diplomaticly" to avoid eventually a lawsuit.

It's one thing that you are 110% sure that someone is shaving and another thing to explain/proof it on court for example.

However, i'am not going to waste my time with someone who can't come to the result of 4 after adding 2 + 2.

I suggest you send your traffic there and let us know how the rebills are :thumbsup

I just have a few questions regarding this part of it. So, Nats itself wasn't aware of any problem until someone came to you with the issue? If this someone didn't come to you, how long would have this issue existed before NATS caught on? How long did these discrepancies exist? 1 month? 2 months? 10 months?

If you think that the origional post wasnt enough for Xclusive to make a claim then you.......

Actually my post to jace before was meant to draw a line under this for me - We are just going in circles and personaly I think they may well have shaved - It just dosnt make for a very good and healthy debate if everyone is agreeing with each other does it.....

The Prophet has Returned to open the eyes of truth
 

My children, the prophet has returned to analyze and decode the fog messages as laid out by the leader of the lucifers of the greed that is NR Media.

Let us begin .. paragraph by paragraph:

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In the last few days there has been a lot of misinformation posted on this and other boards. It is my hope to shed some light on what is taking place. Due to the security issues at the airport I missed my flight and was forced to drive back from Florida to North Carolina. It was during this drive that I received a call on my cellular from John of Too Much Media. John informed me that he had reason to believe that CCBill rebills were not being tracked in the NATS Software. From that moment through now, I was and have not been provided an email or data to support what I was being told and was not instructed on how to see what John was referring to.
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Provided an email or data to support? SonofJesus believes the increase in their personal profit checks and the decrease of monies being issued to the hard working servers of the interwebs is proof enough. This, the business of businesses, has strange numbers but you choose to ignore as you were the receiver of the cheated funds. SonofJesus believes that had NATS been double paying affiliates and cutting you by 50% it .. please excuse my term .. would sure as HELL .. been investigated. Sinner, please save yourself through prayer.

The light you aim to shed is filtered through your blackened heart. Please post honest screen captions from NATS and your CCBILL statistics for the public judges to view.

Sickened and saddened already, but sonofjesus must continue for the sake of opening the hearts of the people.

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We have always paid affiliates the amounts that were reported by NATS as this was the tool we used to track sales and payout information. As of Thursday we were locked out of NATS by Too Much Media. I was unable to do any research when I finally got to the office after driving all night. NATS did our install as they do for others and they admin their software. If there was an oversight as a result of this, it will be revealed and rectified.
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Mister Lucifer, please discontinue spinning your wheel of positive publicity. The peoples of the open hearts can see past your statement of paying "what was shown in NATS" .. we know that, we want to know why you disallowed the NATS software to update the data of the processor, CCBILL.

It is not the responsibility of the hard worker, the purveyor of porn, the affiliate to double check your numbers. You enjoyed the extra earnings shaven from the backs of your hardest workers. Retribution is coming as Judgement day is here.

As well sinner, please please please cease with the sob stories, as your tears are blackened by greed. Someone with concern for the monies of their partners in the field would have investigated the claims, not slept on it for a few days. Where was your greedy partner? The overseer of the finances? Saddened are the servants who have found out the ship is being piloted by two blind bats.

Let us pray .. and then continue

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Brandi and I have always done what we thought was right. We would have never intentionally kept what was not rightfully ours. We maintain personal relationships with our affiliates and have always gone out of our way to assist them in working our program. If the data was presented wrong then obviously payouts are due. Once we have been able to assess the situation we will determine what if anything has transpired and will work to resolve any issues that may have occurred.
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Of course you have been doing what is right! It is a matter of doing what was right for who? You and your finances .. not the hardest worker of workers, the webmaster, the generator of your incomes.

You are now backed into a corner, surrounded by the greed in your hearts and the cancer that eats at your stomach. It is not guilt, but rather fear of returning to the life of McDonalds cash worker, no longer the porn barons.

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For the time being we have been informed by several affiliates and not NATS that affiliate links are still being tracked and webmasters are being credited for their sales and rebills even though we have no way for us as the program owner to see any of that as the admin panel has been shut off. Affiliate login appears to still be working.
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Thankfully the NATS, the blessed owners of the system that brought this light of honest upon your shady back alley operation, has discontinued your access. One can only hope and pray the checks will be issued. Food for the children is needed, will you deny them their nutrients greedy lucifer?

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We will not be adding to the posts or participating in a public discussion on this issue until all of the facts have been looked at.
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Return to your cave lucifer. Hide from the sonofjesus, for the truth is being revealled. Opened hearts see through your shanningans and hoodwinking tactics.

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We believe that we are not alone in this situation as other programs have previously and quite publicly expressed similar experiences.
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What programs do you speak of that have intentionally disallowed the holy software of NATS to properly pay out webmasters by collecting rebill data from the processor CCBILL? Please allow us to also bring those cheaters to light.

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Bottom line is that we look forward to figuring this out and dealing with it.
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Lucifer, the bottom line is you telling us why the statistics were modified to allow you earnings increase while the webmasters and their children suffer without nutrients. Greed has brought the light of honesty towards you, the open hearts will avoid the black plague you distribute. Please pay the workers and part from the lands. Return to anonimity.

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Thank you to our affiliates and know that we are still standing in front of our program and will provide you with the same personalized attention in this matter as we have in the past as soon as is possible.
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Greedy Lucifers, your thanks is the same thanks given after someone has been stabbed in the back. Friendly support, while stealing from the back wallet is not the actions of a friend. Traffic levels deflating, your life is vanishing, your days in the business of adult are ending. Greed has taken your lifestyle out at the knees.

Open your hearts my children. See through the false statements and coy responses. Calculated actions, disguised by the innocence of a childen is not acceptable as professionals in the business, of businesses.

God bless those who see the truths.

Son Of Jesus has spoken.

The SonOfJesus would also like to add the thought of how hilarious it will be when the lucifers quit playing coy and correct the CCBILL/NATS issue. At this point sales will return to normal for the hard working webmasters.

How then will they pretend to play dumb numbers, dollars, cents, coins, return to 'usual' amounts for all and not for increase profit checks in their bank accounts.

Shame are the sinners of the adult business. Open your eyes and hearts to my truthful teachings.

for those of you wanting to know pretty much everything about this, and feel out of the loop

re-read EVERY single post of SonOfJesus, and you will know more than those that are in the loop

Jace is obviously a true believer in the teachings of the SonOfJesus.

Blessed is the open heart of Jace.

can I get an amen?

Would you not rather 2men? :1orglaugh

Amen bratha man!

I don't get how someone can get accused of wrong doing and when they finally post it sounds to me like, "Ahh, well I don't think we did we anything wrong but rest assured if we did, well then golly gee we sure are sorry about it. We will work hard to correct it, we promise!" And they're first action to correct it is to take the one program that could actually help them to court over a board post? But then why not? They have lots of webmasters hard earned money to spend. I think that's what's called stall tactics. You know when you just can't win the debate so you try to change the subject.

Brilliant I hope it does go to court because I believe NATS knows what it's talking about and I'd be willing to bet when a real judge sees the stats he's gonna urge the DA to investigate charges of fraud. This whole thing would be comical if weren't for all the webmasters who are out thousands of dollars because some program owners were either stealing from their webmasters or too stupid to not question where all the extra money was coming from. In any case, I just gotta shake my head in awe of their audacity.

And, sonofjesus, preach on brotha!

So let me get this straight: you called him once, he hung up on you, so your next step was to suspend the license and post to GFY? That seems rather hasty and completely unprofessional...

When I saw your announcement I assumed that there had been some sort of mediation or negotiation which had ultimately failed. One phone call is not that.

i wonder if this post (my post) will be read out in court ? lmfao

Yep ya this would have been the correct response to this whole mess....

Chris,

I know how those phone calls are when you are travelling home and can't do anything on the road. Everyone-just give Xclusivecash a few days to settle things - coming home to this will take some time to sort out. This is an outstanding program with good, solid honest people running the program.

Purple Haze

:1orglaugh