Foie Gras banned!!!

[69pornlinks]

How the fuck can you ban a type of food? I never tried or wish to try it but, when they start to tell you what and what you can't eat, it's totally HORSESHIT...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060812/..._gras_farewell

i guess is veal is next..

for all you peta freaks.....go suck one or two

[godisdead]

Originally Posted by 69pornlinks

How the fuck can you ban a type of food? I never tried or wish to try it but, when they start to tell you what and what you can't eat, it's totally HORSESHIT...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060812/..._gras_farewell

i guess is veal is next..

for all you peta freaks.....go suck one or two

I want to order myself a peta-T-shirt:

People for the
Eating of
Tasty
Animals

Banning Foie Gras sucks! Never eaten it, but that ban is scary.
What you eat is nobody's business!

[Stumps]

fois gras is duck pate very very very expensive.

there are two types of making it. It may have been banned because 1 way of making it is not very nice at all

[Klen]

What kind of food is that?

[xmas13]

So you can eat human legs, and it will be fine i guess just an extreme argument as silly as your "What you eat is nobody's business!".

Foie Gras is expensive and not a mass consumption product, so who cares? Its not the first ban and wont be the last one.

[fastfun]

The reson its done is because they get force fed through a pipe to turn a regular-sized liver into foie gras. The last 14 days of their life is nonstop torture like that. If you support stuff like that, you deserve to be force fed a 14" negro cock up your ass for 2 weeks until your ass and intestins hang to the floor

[Jakke PNG]

Foie gras kicks ass.. I hate how they make them.
..I've eaten organic a few times (or made from wild ducks), and that shit is expensive.. GOOD, but not worth the money on my income.

[DomP_nl]

very tastefull but pics like these make u think

[Magix]

Originally Posted by DomP_nl

very tastefull but pics like these make u think

what pics ?

[fastfun]

Originally Posted by Magix

what pics ?

you aren't that bright aren't you?

http://thedutchpimp.com/images/foiegras.jpg

[Jakke PNG]

Originally Posted by fastfun

you aren't that bright aren't you?

http://thedutchpimp.com/images/foiegras.jpg

I'm guessing you have hotlink protection on...

[DomP_nl]

Originally Posted by TeenGodFather

I'm guessing you have hotlink protection on...

nope, file wasn't at the server yet

ohw and fastfun

[L-Pink]

Who wants to eat the fatty liver of a force fed duck. Damn that sounds delicious. How about some pigs feet for dessert.

[godisdead]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Who wants to eat the fatty liver of a force fed duck. Damn that sounds delicious. How about some pigs feet for dessert.

The point here is not about whether you like it or not. It's about the basic principles of freedom and individual rights. Some people here are selling quite some sick porn that most people wouldn't approve of. Is that the basis to ban it? No.

[Dagwolf]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Who wants to eat the fatty liver of a force fed duck. Damn that sounds delicious. How about some pigs feet for dessert.

I tried those once when I was a kid. They were pretty good, actually, but I couldn't do it again.

[dig420]

Originally Posted by godisdead

The point here is not about whether you like it or not. It's about the basic principles of freedom and individual rights. Some people here are selling quite some sick porn that most people wouldn't approve of. Is that the basis to ban it? No.

yes. Egregious cruelty is reason enough to ban something. If you're not evolved enough to understand that go back to your cave and stay out of the way of real human beings.

[DaddyHalbucks]

They should fight that ordinance --it's weak.

It really deserves a legal challenge.

[scottybuzz]

Originally Posted by DomP_nl

very tastefull but pics like these make u think

usually a machine holds them

[gooddomains]

why would one ban a food ?

[AmeliaG]

I had it a few times as a kid in France, but then I found out how it is generally made and I'm no vegetarian, but I've never eaten it since.

[godisdead]

Originally Posted by dig420

yes. Egregious cruelty is reason enough to ban something. If you're not evolved enough to understand that go back to your cave and stay out of the way of real human beings.

So you think animals have rights? Why? I'm curious.

[Jace]

[dig420]

Originally Posted by godisdead

So you think animals have rights? Why? I'm curious.

this isn't some debate about whether animals have rights, although I would say that all living creatures have a right to be free from deliberate cruelty. It's about whether you, as an individual, are debased and degenerate enough to think it's worth putting some animal thru something like this so you can have a tasty fucking treat.

[weaselbrains]

Foie Gras is banned in loads of countries because its made by force feeding ducks or geese.

regular duck or goose liver pate is not banned - (and is not called Foie Gras)

[More Booze]

Originally Posted by DomP_nl

very tastefull but pics like these make u think

nice! force-feed that fucker!

[godisdead]

Originally Posted by dig420

this isn't some debate about whether animals have rights, although I would say that all living creatures have a right to be free from deliberate cruelty. It's about whether you, as an individual, are debased and degenerate enough to think it's worth putting some animal thru something like this so you can have a tasty fucking treat.

"Debased", "degenerate", you can scream and shout as much as you want. Until you give me a reason why this is wrong in principle, I can't take this serious. Simple appeal to emotions doesn't work.

Have you seen how lions kill their prey? Wolves? Cats even play with mice before they kill them. That's all pretty awful. They rip them apart alive and play with their inner organs. You don't do anything about that. If your position is taken to the end, you'd have to stop all carnivorous activity on earth. That would, however, hurt all the carnivorous animals.

Eating other animals involves cruelty. Man is an omnivore, that includes killing (and thereby hurting) animals. We survive at their expense. They die, we live.
The idea of natural harmony where all animals live together in peace is nonsense. It's a constant fight. And it's cruel.

And Foie Gras is just the tip of the iceberg. Have you seen how chickens are treated to lay eggs, or cows, or pigs? Have you ever noticed how nobody gives a shit about how we treat the fish? It's nothing but emotionalism. We only care about animals which mimick human facial expressions. Animals with big eyes that trigger primitive parts of our brain to think "Oh how cute!".

And have you ever noticed why nobody gives a fuck about fish or shrimps or some octopus. Nobody cares if you kill flies or bugs. Why? Because they don't look cute. Because they don't scream when they are hurt. Are they hurt less? Does a bug feel less pain when I step on it and crush it alive just because it can't scream? Does a fish feel good if I pull it out of the water with a net and it can't breathe anymore and dies?

There is no reason at the basis of your argument. It's just unexamined emotion. Don't hurt the cute animals because I don't like it. That's all.

And just in case this got past your attention, I've never eaten foie gras.
I agree that one could stop producing Foie Gras without too much harm to the human populace. The problem is that once you break the principle that rights are a human thing, you've lost. Why only ban Foie Gras? Isn't killing animals wrong in general? We humans don't have a right to kill animals because animals have rights, too. That's Peta's official agenda. Forcing humans to treat animals as if they had rights. And that's what I'm opposed to and I refuse to give in to their step-by-step tactics of taking the cruel-looking stuff first and then fucking us because we've already given in.

Animals don't have rights. They don't even have the capacity to understand what a right is, and having a right includes accepting the rights of others. Animals can't do that. It's impossible to them. Zebras don't go to court if a Lion killed one of them. And if a shark eats your leg, do you demand penalties? If a stray dog shits on your lawn, do you sue it? There is no court in nature. Rights are a human invention to make living among other humans possible.

Rights are not mystical endowments inherent in all living beings and somehow we as humans have the duty to protect all the animals in the universe from cruelty.

Shit, don't we have other things to do? Stuff like ending wars and hunger. Shouldn't we take care of ourselves first?

[12clicks]

I eat foie gras every time its on the menu.
I will not patronize a restaurant that specifically bans it nor am I likely to travel to chicago and spend money.

[free4porn]

never heard of the stuff!

[swedguy]

Goose liver from a goose that has been fed the natural way, tastes a lot better in my opinion.

[dig420]

Originally Posted by godisdead

"Debased", "degenerate", you can scream and shout as much as you want. Until you give me a reason why this is wrong in principle, I can't take this serious. Simple appeal to emotions doesn't work blah blah

no DUMBASS, this isn't about your personal freedom, it's about cruelty to animals PERIOD. NO you do not have a right to be as cruel as you wish to any living creature you wish simply because you have the ability and inclination to be cruel. Eating pigs is legal, and is accomplished, to the best of my knowledge, as humanely as we can practically accomplish it. Foie Gras is an indulgence for decadents and their death is accomplished as painfully as possible so the wet-lipped De Sades can get off on it better. Slaughtering to eat is one thing, torturing for delicacies is quite another, and if you don't understand that I never want you around my kids or kittens.

Ronnie I think most restaurants can get by without you. Maybe you could head over to Korea sometime and try out some whipped and terrorized dog meat. I hear it's very tender.

[Doctor Dre]

Foie gras is banned in a LOT of places already. The process to get them big enough is just wrong.

Some other foods are baned like crude milk cheezes at a lot of different palces

[Defiance]

dig420, there's so much emotion in your post.

So... killing a creature in a humane fashion is different from torturing it before you kill it?

A dead creature is still dead.

I really don't think godisdead is advocating the extreme, excruciating, drawn out, <heart wrenching adjective>, <appeal to your emotions adjective>, <tear jerker adjective>, <terrifying adjective> killing as much as he's arguing against the precident it sets.

If you know law, you know precidents hold a massive fuck ton of weight.

That's the issue.

[dig420]

Originally Posted by Defiance

dig420, there's so much emotion in your post.

So... killing a creature in a humane fashion is different from torturing it before you kill it?

A dead creature is still dead.

I really don't think godisdead is advocating the extreme, excruciating, drawn out, <heart wrenching adjective>, <appeal to your emotions adjective>, <tear jerker adjective>, <terrifying adjective> killing as much as he's arguing against the precident it sets.

If you know law, you know precidents hold a massive fuck ton of weight.

That's the issue.

Precedents DO hold a ton weight, and the precedent for this case was set in 1911.

http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/welf...stic/index.htm

[dig420]

Originally Posted by Defiance

dig420, there's so much emotion in your post.

So... killing a creature in a humane fashion is different from torturing it before you kill it?

Shooting an animal in the head is no different to you than say.. pulling it's legs off, gouging out it's eyes and then skinning it alive before you eat it?

moron.

[Defiance]

Is the end result any different?

The precedent was set in 1011, but did anyone really care about it? Not really. It was never made an issue. Now it is. Now it gets used as leverage. Then the question becomes, "What's next?". The media can do a lot of things. Snowballs can start growing out of nowhere. Again, before this whole Chicago thing I don't really think people gave a crap. Obviously not if it's been kosher since 1911. Fact of the matter is... it's in the spotlight now. And that raises questions. Opens up opportunities.

The animal is DEAD. Dead is dead. Get that through your skull. Dead is dead.

A quick and merciful death is a lot better than a long and drawn out one... but the outcome is exactly the same.

In your mind you've already got me painted as this horrible creature torturing monster... I really don't care for it.

However I understand that a dead creature is a dead creature, no matter how much pain it goes through.

Stop thinking with your emotions.

[dig420]

Originally Posted by Defiance

Is the end result any different?

The precedent was set in 1011, but did anyone really care about it? Not really. It was never made an issue. Now it is. Now it gets used as leverage. Then the question becomes, "What's next?". The media can do a lot of things. Snowballs can start growing out of nowhere. Again, before this whole Chicago thing I don't really think people gave a crap. Obviously not if it's been kosher since 1911. Fact of the matter is... it's in the spotlight now. And that raises questions. Opens up opportunities.

The animal is DEAD. Dead is dead. Get that through your skull. Dead is dead.

A quick and merciful death is a lot better than a long and drawn out one... but the outcome is exactly the same.

In your mind you've already got me painted as this horrible creature torturing monster... I really don't care for it.

However I understand that a dead creature is a dead creature, no matter how much pain it goes through.

Stop thinking with your emotions.

well I hope you personally never have the chance to discover firsthand that there IS a difference between a humane and quick euthanization and a long, drawn out and painful death.

Karma's a bitch though. You might have it coming.

"However I understand that a dead creature is a dead creature, no matter how much pain it goes through."

Truly a deeply stupid statement.

"In your mind you've already got me painted as this horrible creature torturing monster... I really don't care for it."

Then maybe you should quit trying to defend torturing creatures. Dumbass.

[tranza]

Yeah, it's crazy what they do to produce Foie Gras.

But banning it is just too much...

[godisdead]

Originally Posted by dig420

no DUMBASS, this isn't about your personal freedom, it's about cruelty to animals PERIOD. NO you do not have a right to be as cruel as you wish to any living creature you wish simply because you have the ability and inclination to be cruel.
...

The goal of making Foie Gras is to get the fatty liver. It's not that people do it to torture animals. And it is about my personal freedom. I don't give a fuck about Foie Gras. Never eaten it and probably never will. If it wasn't I would be on your side. But in this issue I just see my personal freedom at stake and fear that it's sacrificed to some vegan nutcase.

The final step is claiming that anything beyond bread and water is a delicacy. That's my problem. The end result of this is sacrificing human well-being for animals. That's why I am opposing this. I went to a great length to explain this to you. (The stuff you summarized as blah blah)

But if you are so blinded by your emotions, I can't help you.

Oh, and thanks Defiance for explaining my point.

[Defiance]

Oy... I've run into enough people who argue like you do.

I didn't even know what Foie Gras was until today.

Just keep your "awwww, poor <insert>" laws away from my chickens, pigs, cows and oxen and I'm cool.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by dig420

Eating pigs is legal, and is accomplished, to the best of my knowledge, as humanely as we can practically accomplish it.

The best of your knowledge is quite inadequate, it appears. The typical pig whose meat you find on your plate will have been taken away from its mother at 2 weeks old. After that it will have had its tail cut off, its ears ripped, its balls chopped off and have had part of its teeth ripped off (all without painkillers, of course). Most of its life it will have spent in a crate so small it wasn't even able to turn around, with no sunlight or fresh food ever. Nearing the end, it will have been violently forced into a truck, transported for hours or even days, and will have come out with about a large chance of being severely wounded or crippled (or, in many thousands of cases, dead). Finally, it will have been slaughtered, quite likely without proper stunning (and thus rather painfully). Possibly, it has survived, and has only died when it was submerged in scalding water (to soften the skin).

Yeah, eating pigs is much, much better

[dig420]

who gives a fuck what the goal of torturing something is? Getting your little taste buds stimulated makes torturing an animal ok somehow?

Here's a fucking clue for you: torturing farm animals was first outlawed in Jamestown in 16 fucking 41. That's how long most americans have understood that torturing animals for your pleasure is wrong. Congratulations on being a less enlightened human being than most 17th century folk.


Fucking amazing, we haven't banned bread and water yet huh? Of course, laws against animal cruelty have only been around for 400 yrs of so, gotta give it time. What a good argument you pro-animal cruelty types put up. So well reasoned.

[dig420]

Originally Posted by Libertine

The best of your knowledge is quite inadequate, it appears. The typical pig whose meat you find on your plate will have been taken away from its mother at 2 weeks old. After that it will have had its tail cut off, its ears ripped, its balls chopped off and have had part of its teeth ripped off (all without painkillers, of course). Most of its life it will have spent in a crate so small it wasn't even able to turn around, with no sunlight or fresh food ever. Nearing the end, it will have been violently forced into a truck, transported for hours or even days, and will have come out with about a large chance of being severely wounded or crippled (or, in many thousands of cases, dead). Finally, it will have been slaughtered, quite likely without proper stunning (and thus rather painfully). Possibly, it has survived, and has only died when it was submerged in scalding water (to soften the skin).

Yeah, eating pigs is much, much better

you want a list of all the humane slaughter laws we have on the books or will you just admit you're an idiot and go away right now? We do the best we can with stock animals, and that's all we can do. What we're talking about here is deliberate, unnecessary cruelty. Too dumb to understand that? Do us all a favor and shut the hell up.

[Defiance]

Originally Posted by godisdead

Oh, and thanks Defiance for explaining my point.

It's a good thing I don't have any pets... I'm sure the Humane Society would be knocking on my door any moment now because I'm just that awful.

[dig420]

lib·er·tine ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr-tn)
n.
One who acts without moral restraint; a dissolute person.

yeah you're a real winner alright. A prize human being. The perfect person to make this argument.

[dig420]

Originally Posted by Defiance

It's a good thing I don't have any pets...

finally, we agree on something.

[Defiance]

Originally Posted by dig420

What a good argument you pro-animal cruelty types put up. So well reasoned.

Now I remember why I love browsing GFY.

Whether it works against me in my day to day, or I just spot it coming out of the mouth of others; irony always makes me laugh.

[dig420]

Originally Posted by Defiance

Now I remember why I love browsing GFY.

Whether it works against me in my day to day, or I just spot it coming out of the mouth of others; irony always makes me laugh.

yes, because you're obviously soooo intelligent. So superior.

Don't you have a dog kicking schedule to stick to? Better hop to it, genius.

[Defiance]

Originally Posted by dig420

Don't you have a dog kicking schedule to stick to? Better hop to it, genius.

Oh shit, that's right!

Hmm... the dogs in my neighborhood are suffering from internal injuries and the cats are all extinct (they're the perfect shape for setting new distance records... I got a little over-enthused)... but you did mention you have pets, right?

I don't suppose you've got one about the size of a football?

When forum warriors get too loud, I go find other things to do.

Have a great day, and say hello to your pets for me.










... or not... I'll see them soon enough anyway.

[69pornlinks]

Originally Posted by Libertine

The best of your knowledge is quite inadequate, it appears. The typical pig whose meat you find on your plate will have been taken away from its mother at 2 weeks old. After that it will have had its tail cut off, its ears ripped, its balls chopped off and have had part of its teeth ripped off (all without painkillers, of course). Most of its life it will have spent in a crate so small it wasn't even able to turn around, with no sunlight or fresh food ever. Nearing the end, it will have been violently forced into a truck, transported for hours or even days, and will have come out with about a large chance of being severely wounded or crippled (or, in many thousands of cases, dead). Finally, it will have been slaughtered, quite likely without proper stunning (and thus rather painfully). Possibly, it has survived, and has only died when it was submerged in scalding water (to soften the skin).

Yeah, eating pigs is much, much better

i knew there was a reason i don't eat swine....

[dig420]

Originally Posted by Defiance

Oh shit, that's right!

Hmm... the dogs in my neighborhood are suffering from internal injuries and the cats are all extinct (they're the perfect shape for setting new distance records... I got a little over-enthused)... but you did mention you have pets, right?

I don't suppose you've got one about the size of a football?

When forum warriors get too loud, I go find other things to do.

Have a great day, and say hello to your pets for me.

... or not... I'll see them soon enough anyway.

I've got one about the size of a Pit Bull that I would just LOVE to introduce you to.



you wanna come give him a kick?