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Fresh · 08-10-2006, 12:50 PM

I live in the greatest country in the world. Hands down.

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pocketkangaroo · 08-10-2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pOrRiDgE

Ok, but they arent "americanizing" in china now, are they?

*edit* Face it, the time for grand deeds went down the shitter with the domestication and exploitation of the TV. The world isn't "americanizing", its turning into gumbo...

You are right in a way. I never said that the spreading of American culture was a great thing. In fact, it's not good that parts of our culture are spreading like fast food, crappy studio music, and an obsession with entertainers and bad movies.

pocketkangaroo · 08-10-2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

I don't rely on US traffic for survival - never have.

Many people here do though. I have personally targeted other countries as to diversify my traffic and suggest others do too.

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Basically yes, - as a consumer with an increasing volume of new credit cards and constant string of loans from other nations to afford the level of consumption. China alone has more control over US dollars than any other country and are considering dumping some of this - not a good thing for exchange rate/dollars values. The Central Bank of China is still lending the US between $2 and $4 billion daily - and that's only between 20%-25% of daily international borrowings.

I guess I'd have to disagree with you. I feel the US has one of the most stable economies in the world. In a market economy where businesses are given much more freedom than in other countries, you will always have more opportunity to succeed. The globalization of the world has companies opportunity to outsource many jobs at lower cost and thus re-invest their earnings into the future growth of the company.

As for the national debt, it will be a problem in the future. Although I don't believe in the end of the US predictions by some far reaching people. The US will have to deal with it someday and it will probably come from government spending, a small raise in taxes to some, and some inflation to our economy. I still don't see that knocking the US off as a decrease in the US economy will have a trickle down effect on many countries throughout the world.

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The Middle East has no problem selling oil - believe me

They don't need the help of the US. The less the US consumes oil - the better off the US will be both economically and environmentally.

Bottom line - it's totally unsustainable.

You really aren't saying that they don't need the US to buy oil? Losing one of their largest consumers of oil would signifigantly increase the leverage countries like China would have on them and their price.

GoodGuy · 08-10-2006, 01:11 PM

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No. I think you are just another CNN Brainwashed american protptype.

What we do from Latin America, is sedn you all the garbage we don't want here.

So, we basically use USA as a trash can to trow away all our garbage, and send it that way. They finish creating latino neighbors, buy guns and create panic in your paradise beverlly hills neighbors with fear, violence and murders.

So, basically our plan to slowly and quietly destroy America is working correctly.

Good luck.

WORD.

GoodGuy · 08-10-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

I don't rely on US traffic for survival - never have.

Basically yes, - as a consumer with an increasing volume of new credit cards and constant string of loans from other nations to afford the level of consumption. China alone has more control over US dollars than any other country and are considering dumping some of this - not a good thing for exchange rate/dollars values. The Central Bank of China is still lending the US between $2 and $4 billion daily - and that's only between 20%-25% of daily international borrowings.

The Middle East has no problem selling oil - believe me

They don't need the help of the US. The less the US consumes oil - the better off the US will be both economically and environmentally.

Bottom line - it's totally unsustainable.

Sure, there would be a major ripple effect with any nation which has part of their dealings/trading with the US - survival is a totally different story tho.

WORD.

xmas13 · 08-10-2006, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

It's amazing that 20 million people come to this country illegally. They risk their lives on cardboard rafts in the ocean to get here. They want to be taught in our schools, work for our companies, and absorb our culture. Our customs and society is welcomed in almost every country as you die to have our restaurants, movies, TV, music, and technology. You yearn to manufacture, service, and produce for Americans.

It's just amazing for a world that relies so much on the US, how hypocritical you are to bash it. Block US traffic on your sites and you'll be out of business. Don't accept US payment on your sites and you'll be looking in the help wanted section.

So bash the US all you want. Call us ignorant, stupid, and a country destroying the world. But in the end, most of you can't survive without us.

100% Right. The free bashing around here is so annoying since most of customers are American. So they take the cash and run away with it.

America is a tolerant country, the only one giving permanent residency visas away to almost anyone in almost any country of the world with a lottery.

America is Black, Asian, European, Jewish, Arab, Latino.... etc.

Insulting America is insulting the world diversity.

Respect please, its all people ask, not love.

Quagmire · 08-10-2006, 01:27 PM

Don't pound on your chest too hard, you might hurt yourself and have to use that fantastic american health care system...

pocketkangaroo · 08-10-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Quagmire

Don't pound on your chest too hard, you might hurt yourself and have to use that fantastic american health care system...

We aren't a socialist country. Although our health care system is flawed in ways, hospitals will never turn away a patient who is in dire need of medical care.

With a free market economy like the US, you will have areas of your society that rely on heavily on your economic standing. Just as the rich can afford good lawyers while the poor can't. However, the lack of a socialized health care system allows for competition in the medical field and thus creating one of the most medically advanced nations in the world. We have some of the best hospitals and doctors in the world. Socializing medicine will cause less motivation for a doctor to become great.

Again, it's not a good thing sometimes, but it's the price you pay for not being in a completely socialist government.

You pay much higher tax rates in Canada, which I'd prefer not to. I'd rather have my money and do with it as I please.

Webby · 08-10-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Many people here do though. I have personally targeted other countries as to diversify my traffic and suggest others do too.

I guess I'd have to disagree with you. I feel the US has one of the most stable economies in the world. In a market economy where businesses are given much more freedom than in other countries, you will always have more opportunity to succeed. The globalization of the world has companies opportunity to outsource many jobs at lower cost and thus re-invest their earnings into the future growth of the company.

There is nothing unique in what you said above - literally all western countries have the same business prospects and often far more freedoms and opportunities to succeed. They are also all trading globally etc. Asia and the Western Pacific rim has more biz opportunity than any western country.

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

As for the national debt, it will be a problem in the future. Although I don't believe in the end of the US predictions by some far reaching people. The US will have to deal with it someday and it will probably come from government spending, a small raise in taxes to some, and some inflation to our economy. I still don't see that knocking the US off as a decrease in the US economy will have a trickle down effect on many countries throughout the world.

Mmmm.. that is going to be one nasty big massive shitty problem - and not too far in the distant future. It is fundamental to literally all else.

It's hard to say the US has a stable economy when the dollar value is often worth 40% less against many other currencies than it was a few years ago. In theory, this should have helped the economy by promoting exports - but there is little to export competitivly, - so that opportunity has been lost.

Dunno if you are aware - all US homes plus their contents can barely cover the total of the nations debt. To a substantial degree - other nations own the US by their lending facilities. The US Treasury did the most extensive report ever on the economy (took 10 years) and delivered this in.. think spring 2002. Their recommendations were immediate tax rates of 60% "for the foreseeable future" to try and clear the backlog of debt. Young George of course filed it in his out-tray - he don't do figures :-) But it will end up being address by hopefully "somebody" in some future govt. This level of debt pro rata population exceeds all other countries and the continued lack of any fiscal policy and living off the "national credit card" is just not sustainable. No sane person would run any business like that - USA Inc is a business.

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

You really aren't saying that they don't need the US to buy oil? Losing one of their largest consumers of oil would signifigantly increase the leverage countries like China would have on them and their price.

Hell no - they sure as damn don't need any country - whether the US or otherwise to buy more oil. On the money side - OPEC controls their price and tries to keep the market stable - it's not a matter of leverage by other nations. Tho truth is China is going to end up consuming more oil than any country ever did - the environmental issue problems they are already aware of - depends if they act on the problem.

This thread was about "America Being So Shitty" - it's not shitty. It has major problems ahead - prob more than any other country has ever had - and needs a remedy and some realism injected before it causes major lifestyle changes. Fantasy can only last so long in the real world - that is changing rapidly along with major economic shifts.

killerkay · 08-10-2006, 02:31 PM

why are we argueing americans its really obvious we're the best damn country there is. flat out

OG LennyT · 08-10-2006, 02:37 PM

I didnt appreciate the U.S. until I had to live in Korea for a year.

When I came back, I kissed the ground.

andrej_NDC · 08-10-2006, 02:49 PM

USA is not shitty, just like every other country it has its positives and also its negatives. There are many good countries to live in, always depends on what you want.

Mr. Soul · 08-10-2006, 03:36 PM

I'm still amazed that people can't figure out the difference between people "hating America", and people opposing our dangerous, imperialist foreign policy.

I love America. I'm a New Yorker born and raised. That doesn't mean I have to be too stupid to understand how our neo-conservative government is by far the biggest threat to world peace.

Don't get upset or defensive when people criticize our country's leadership. We didn't elect them.

Sure people call us stupid for letting them take power, sure some blame us for what they do with our military. However, we do the exact same thing, blame innocent people for radicals in their country. Look at the current situation in Lebanon. For the most part, Americans think that it's ok for innocent Lebanese civilians to die, because they "let" Hezbollah exist. We blame everyone in that country for the actions of the radicals. I don't see the difference between that and people being pissed off at Americans for the actions of our government. The only glaring difference I can see is that we're actively involved in killing them, while people who are mad at the US, generally just complain about it.

jigg · 08-10-2006, 03:44 PM

they may come but not everyone stays
most immigrants come to make money save as much as possible then go home and live well for many many years.

Ask most Cubans in South Florida and you'll see most who are immigrant can't wait for their country to get right so they can go back

Finding work is what most people are coming to America for, don't even kid yourself it's something else.

reynold · 08-10-2006, 07:36 PM

Welcome to the land of Milk and Honey!

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jigg Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,527	they may come but not everyone stays most immigrants come to make money save as much as possible then go home and live well for many many years. Ask most Cubans in South Florida and you'll see most who are immigrant can't wait for their country to get right so they can go back Finding work is what most people are coming to America for, don't even kid yourself it's something else. __________________ ...... eight,eight,two,eight,eight,four,two ......

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Mr. Soul Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Manhattan Posts: 1,633	I'm still amazed that people can't figure out the difference between people "hating America", and people opposing our dangerous, imperialist foreign policy. I love America. I'm a New Yorker born and raised. That doesn't mean I have to be too stupid to understand how our neo-conservative government is by far the biggest threat to world peace. Don't get upset or defensive when people criticize our country's leadership. We didn't elect them. Sure people call us stupid for letting them take power, sure some blame us for what they do with our military. However, we do the exact same thing, blame innocent people for radicals in their country. Look at the current situation in Lebanon. For the most part, Americans think that it's ok for innocent Lebanese civilians to die, because they "let" Hezbollah exist. We blame everyone in that country for the actions of the radicals. I don't see the difference between that and people being pissed off at Americans for the actions of our government. The only glaring difference I can see is that we're actively involved in killing them, while people who are mad at the US, generally just complain about it.

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