NATS + Carma or MPA3 + MAS? I'm Going With One This Month. - GoFuckYourself.com

BoyAlley · 08-10-2006, 10:55 AM

I'm 'bout to make my final decision. I'm going with one this month:

NATS and Carma
or
MPA3 and MAS

Which one did you / would you choose and why?

Also, who is hotter: John Albright from NATS or Garry Oien from Mansion.

Yes, this will play a part in my decision.

Satan · 08-10-2006, 11:01 AM

I voted already

Jakke PNG · 08-10-2006, 11:03 AM

I'd go with mpa3 and mas, for no specific reason I wish the public to know.

SinisterStudios · 08-10-2006, 11:03 AM

None of the above, if your looking to grow your program large go with Rob from clickmans custom solution. His stuff it top notch and he has been around longer than any of the other systems around

gooddomains · 08-10-2006, 11:04 AM

NATS and Carma

BoyAlley · 08-10-2006, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SinisterStudios

None of the above, if your looking to grow your program large go with Rob from clickmans custom solution. His stuff it top notch and he has been around longer than any of the other systems around

I've never heard of him, and I'd imagine my affiliates haven't either. Sorry, wanna go with one of the trusted big guys on this one.....

TDF · 08-10-2006, 11:08 AM

none of the above

Greg MissionD · 08-10-2006, 11:20 AM

We use Nats and Carma, all works well.

SinisterStudios · 08-10-2006, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

I've never heard of him, and I'd imagine my affiliates haven't either. Sorry, wanna go with one of the trusted big guys on this one.....

your loss, just a fyi his software runs some the largest sites in adult.

Odie · 08-10-2006, 11:24 AM

I'm wondering why "hotness" has anything to do with what system you choose?

BoyAlley · 08-10-2006, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Odie

I'm wondering why "hotness" has anything to do with what system you choose?

Gunni · 08-10-2006, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SinisterStudios

None of the above, if your looking to grow your program large go with Rob from clickmans custom solution. His stuff it top notch and he has been around longer than any of the other systems around

you got a link?

fuzebox · 08-10-2006, 11:54 AM

NATS

xclusive · 08-10-2006, 12:20 PM

NATS is my choice

Jamie · 08-10-2006, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SinisterStudios

your loss, just a fyi his software runs some the largest sites in adult.

I would love to see how you make money in this biz with a sales pitch like that.

Jamie · 08-10-2006, 12:39 PM

Both companies have thier problems. After trying to make this same decision I went with MPA3.

SinisterStudios · 08-10-2006, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamie

I would love to see how you make money in this biz with a sales pitch like that.

Your supposed to make money in this biz, geesh i have been going about it all wrong all these years.

Im not selling anyones software, since we use his software i put it into the mix as an alternative, Nothing more.

BoyAlley · 08-10-2006, 01:04 PM

Sinister: Just for shits and giggles you got a link?

BoyAlley · 08-10-2006, 03:49 PM

Bump for the link from Sinister.

tenderobject · 08-10-2006, 03:52 PM

nats12345

meanbitchesglenn · 08-10-2006, 04:20 PM

I have been really happy with MPA3 and MAS. The products work well and the support is excellent. The MAS 2257 module has made my life much easier too...

--Glenn

media · 08-10-2006, 04:21 PM

I stand behind nats... good product imo

fastfun · 08-10-2006, 04:24 PM

As a affiliate:
NATS + Carma
Easy and fast to use. You have all the functions you need. Many webmasters preffere NATS because they know and trust the script.

As a Program owner:
MPA3 + MAS
The admin is the best in the industry. Best functions and setup.

BoyAlley · 08-10-2006, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meanbitchesglenn

The MAS 2257 module has made my life much easier too...

You know what, I've been thinking about that, and am really liking the idea of having a 2257 system built right into the content management system.

We use two totally different systems now, which means we have to basically enter in everything twice so content url tracking is done on the 2257 management side too.

It's an asspain......

Doctor Dre · 08-10-2006, 06:45 PM

You obviously didn't like the move John just did.

Let me tell you one thing about mpa3 :
They had a shave feature in version 2. They got bashed and lost their business because of that.
They NEVER apologized to webmasters, and always told us how they were just adapting to the market needs and this and that.

What is worse : John exposing very possible shavers, or mpa allowing shaving ?

you should contact pipecrew, he knows of a better solution I think

BoyAlley · 08-10-2006, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

You obviously didn't like the move John just did.

Ehh, I didn't say I didn't like the move John just did. I just said that I REALLY hoped that he was 100% sure shady shit was going on, and not some sort of unintentional muckup, before he made that post. The whole "i'm not saying anything more until i talk to them" thing I thought was kind of freaky.

Either 1: make sure you've good and talked to them before you made the post and you know 100% what's going on. Or 2: If they refuse to talk put some more finality in your announcement.

Have to see how things play out, I don't personally know any of the parties involved.

Degenerate · 08-10-2006, 06:50 PM

MPA - pure class over there.

SinisterStudios · 08-10-2006, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

Sinister: Just for shits and giggles you got a link?

Just saw the response, here is the link to the software

http://www.clickman.com/index2.html

cliffom · 08-10-2006, 07:06 PM

Nats + Carma

BoyAlley · 08-10-2006, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SinisterStudios

Just saw the response, here is the link to the software

http://www.clickman.com/index2.html

Thanks I'll take a look.

Juilan · 08-10-2006, 07:11 PM

For some reason I convert more on Nats then MPA3, and I mean waaaaaay more. So I vote Nats + Carma.

aico · 08-10-2006, 07:11 PM

Please go with MPA3, so I know how it goes, cuz I am going with one soon myself.

BoyAlley · 08-10-2006, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico

Please go with MPA3, so I know how it goes, cuz I am going with one soon myself.

You breeders always use us gays as guinea pigs.

sirrobin · 08-10-2006, 08:46 PM

NATS gets my vote

Regarding CARMA I think a custom CMS is always better than an out of the box solution. Will cost you the same

OY · 08-12-2006, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

You obviously didn't like the move John just did.

Let me tell you one thing about mpa3 :
They had a shave feature in version 2. They got bashed and lost their business because of that.
They NEVER apologized to webmasters, and always told us how they were just adapting to the market needs and this and that.

What is worse : John exposing very possible shavers, or mpa allowing shaving ?

you should contact pipecrew, he knows of a better solution I think

Dre, I understand that you are protecting your investment in our competitor - that is fine and understandable. I probably would do the same...

That said: http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=244967

And: http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=263846

avalanche · 08-12-2006, 08:14 PM

Bump for MPA3

Doctor Dre · 08-12-2006, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oystein

Dre, I understand that you are protecting your investment in our competitor - that is fine and understandable. I probably would do the same...

That said: http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=244967

And: http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=263846

You guys never exposed who was that liscence owner. And I have yet to see an apology publicly for making MPA2 shave module. I've got shaved because of you guys.

I have no investement in NATS.

The Ghost · 08-13-2006, 12:35 AM

It's always interesting how even these type of polls are between TMM and Mansion. And from the press photos, management in both companies are handsome.

We use NATS and Carma together and really like the software. There is a learning curve in getting the program set up and implementing all of the features, but once you have a good grasp on the process it's smooth. And overall, doing business with TMM is great and support is fast. I hear many great things about Mansion, including great software and support. No practical experience in using them though. One of the main reasons is in just about every thread for Mansion some drops the past shaving comments. Does that hurt overall business and keep affiliates from not wanting to sell the product? I can't be sure... but I wouldn't like having one more thing to worry about.

Some of the bigger programs use custom solutions since NATS / MPA3 did not exist when the programs were created. It would be a HUGE undertaking to change over all of the software for possibly little to no benefit.

... and if it ain't broke, why fix it?

Any program looking to change over does so on idea it will increase business, through more efficient management and increased sales/reputation and the cleanliness of a integrated solution. A few programs have such muddled custom Frankenstein backends that have been modified by multiple programmers that even they don't know what end is up.

Talk about specific details on what you need the software to accomplish with your program.... that would help in advice on a decision. These threads end up being popularity contests.

And most importantly you should contact your affiliates directly to see their opinions on changing to a new affiliate management platform.

Are you planning on keeping the CCbill program running as well?

Bruce_Miller · 08-13-2006, 08:22 AM

Just have to say that we use MPA and their support is out of this world! Any problems that I've had or modifications I've needed, to fit my program they jump on top of the issue right away!

TurboAngel · 08-13-2006, 08:29 AM

I hope you do well who ever you pic.

ObnoxiousBitch · 08-13-2006, 08:39 AM

I loved using MPA3 & MAS at Shane's World; it took me maybe an hour of poking around in the programs to learn how to use them, and their support has always been nothing short of spectacular. The only issue I had with either system is that there are some pages that contain typos (can you say "OCD"? I knew you could!). With that said, I hereby offer my proofreading services to Mansion.

Never having used NATS or Carma, I've nothing to say one way or the other about their programs.

garry · 08-13-2006, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

You guys never exposed who was that liscence owner. And I have yet to see an apology publicly for making MPA2 shave module. I've got shaved because of you guys.

I have no investement in NATS.

True, we did not expose the licensee, This is due to confidentiality clauses in our agreements with all our customers, nor are we permitted to reveal any information about any of our customers unless they permit us too. That said, we did make sure that their program was Frozen the second we saw what they where planning to do and then closed it the next day after speaking to our lawyers first!

Don't you think that with the heat we got for this 4 years ago ( and yes, it is now 4 years ago since we took this away ) that mpa3 would be the safest program to use in the business. We are getting audited all the time by a lot of people, and if we ever accepted something like this we would go down hard ! Trust me when I say that it will never happen! We have worked too hard for too long for something like this to happen! 27 families are depending on salaries they draw from Mansion every month and we would never do anything that could hurt our business. That is also the reason why we did not go publick with the name of the program we shut down.

As for " yet to see an apology publicly " That is NOT true. Do a history search here on GFY and you will see that we have done that several times already.

I am sure that I'm not the only one who has done something really stupid in my life. But we have learned, and since then Mansion has grown tremendously and more great news is due very soon :-)

I hope by this Dre that you accept my apology and that we soon can start thinking about the future and begin to put the past behind us.

Pistol · 08-13-2006, 05:21 PM

Garry and Oystein have great technology, they're honest and super-reliable. We've got a lot at stake I wouldn't entrust our business to anybody else.

Doctor Dre · 08-13-2006, 05:35 PM

I've talked to Gary for the first time. He explained me his point of view, and how it changed (he thought of program as his clients, then realised webmasters were actually driving the market).

And publicly apologized in this thread about the MPA2 shave feature.

Everything is A+.

I wanted to see theses words : '"I apologize for the shave feature". And I think we've seen the attitude change in this thread ;)

This was mostly what I was trying to explain from the start. I know for a facat that MPA + MAS are great products and never claimed they weren't or that NATS was better. (I've looked at both closely and they are both strong products.)

alan-l · 08-13-2006, 06:51 PM

More than a poll, you need to make a decision based on your own needs. Price, features, even hotness

(I mean how comfortable you feel with the service, support and such)

You'd also inquire on custom solutions, or even packs like Mambo for CMS.

As for clickman's... dunno. I wouldn't advice to, but as I said before, you'd try different choices. We had a pretty unsatisfactory experience with them, to the point we ended using CCBill's own CC features and it worked way better than Clickman. And getting a mod done could take a lot of time. We ended with a full custom solution, more expensive than NATS and MPA3, but way more affordable in the long run and when adding more programs. However, I wouldn't recommend the custom way for processing, the optoions you mention are good enough

peterlt · 08-14-2006, 12:55 AM

MPA3 is the way. The best affiliate software out there !

Big John · 08-14-2006, 01:26 AM

MPA3 simply because they're the only people I've had to deal with out of the two and they were great people to do business with.

MrPornCash · 08-14-2006, 05:12 AM

If you are starting up a serious affiliate program but lack experience I would most certenly go with MPA3. The support is superb, which is important since you in all cases need support to get started. Remember that the learnign curve is steap for all kinds of advanced software. The Mansion software has prooven to be extremely stable and fast. When you get the hang of it you will find that you'll never lack any kind of functionality. You will allso most certanly see that everything you do inside the menues is really well thougt through in terms of usability and serviceability. The help menues are allso very good and self explaining.

For MAS i would just say.. after you have started to use that you will curse yourself for not getting it before you did.

And last but not least.. The mansion design team rock's the world!!!
http://www.mansionproductions.com/design

So guess in which direction my vote went..

Trax · 08-14-2006, 05:26 AM

i dont promote mpa progams unless I HAVE to

SomeCreep · 08-14-2006, 05:30 AM

I already know, Alleyboy will go with NATS.

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08-10-2006, 10:55 AM	#1
BoyAlley So Fucking Gay Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19,714	NATS + Carma or MPA3 + MAS? I'm Going With One This Month. Which CEO is hotter? I'm 'bout to make my final decision. I'm going with one this month: NATS and Carma or MPA3 and MAS Which one did you / would you choose and why? Also, who is hotter: John Albright from NATS or Garry Oien from Mansion. Yes, this will play a part in my decision. Last edited by BoyAlley; 08-10-2006 at 10:57 AM..

08-10-2006, 11:01 AM	#2
Satan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hell Posts: 1,626	I voted already __________________ WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU?

08-10-2006, 11:03 AM	#3
Jakke PNG ex-TeenGodFather Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suomi Finland Perkele Posts: 20,306	I'd go with mpa3 and mas, for no specific reason I wish the public to know. __________________ ..and I'm off.

08-10-2006, 11:03 AM	#4
SinisterStudios Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Joisey Posts: 3,087	None of the above, if your looking to grow your program large go with Rob from clickmans custom solution. His stuff it top notch and he has been around longer than any of the other systems around __________________ SEOIP.com Multiple IP Webhosting Shared and Dedicated IP's - Multiple Class A's - From $1.99/ip

08-10-2006, 11:04 AM	#5
gooddomains Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10,127	NATS and Carma

08-10-2006, 11:08 AM	#7
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	none of the above __________________ Sig heil

08-10-2006, 11:20 AM	#8
Greg MissionD Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,866	We use Nats and Carma, all works well. __________________ ICQ:119936

08-10-2006, 11:24 AM	#10
Odie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The WATER BABY! Posts: 7,040	I'm wondering why "hotness" has anything to do with what system you choose? __________________ Odie [email protected] Are you Mobile???? MMACanada ICQ # 166208354 See Who I Am At AdultWhosWho.com!

08-10-2006, 11:54 AM	#13
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,114	NATS

08-10-2006, 12:20 PM	#14
xclusive Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 35,218	NATS is my choice __________________ I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /

08-10-2006, 12:39 PM	#16
Jamie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: CelebPay.com Posts: 2,517	Both companies have thier problems. After trying to make this same decision I went with MPA3. __________________ CelebPay: Promote Celebrity Reviews i/c/q - :1851935

08-10-2006, 01:04 PM	#18
BoyAlley So Fucking Gay Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19,714	Sinister: Just for shits and giggles you got a link?

08-10-2006, 03:49 PM	#19
BoyAlley So Fucking Gay Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19,714	Bump for the link from Sinister.

08-10-2006, 03:52 PM	#20
tenderobject Need Designs? 312352846 Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 11,687	nats12345 __________________ NEED DESIGNS?!?

08-10-2006, 04:20 PM	#21
meanbitchesglenn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Los Angeles CA Posts: 59	I have been really happy with MPA3 and MAS. The products work well and the support is excellent. The MAS 2257 module has made my life much easier too... --Glenn __________________ MeanbitchBucks - High Conversion Fetish Affiliate Program 50% Payouts, 50% Recurring , Nearly 50% customer retention! http://www.meanbitchbucks.com

08-10-2006, 04:21 PM	#22
media Confirmed Moneymaker Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Eugene, OR It's Like Jail, Only with Trees! Posts: 9,852	I stand behind nats... good product imo __________________ I'm here for the violence!

08-10-2006, 04:24 PM	#23
fastfun Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 249	As a affiliate: NATS + Carma Easy and fast to use. You have all the functions you need. Many webmasters preffere NATS because they know and trust the script. As a Program owner: MPA3 + MAS The admin is the best in the industry. Best functions and setup.

08-10-2006, 06:50 PM	#27
Degenerate Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,294	MPA - pure class over there. __________________ .

08-10-2006, 07:06 PM	#29
cliffom Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 35	Nats + Carma

08-10-2006, 07:11 PM	#31
Juilan Sultan of Swing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: XXXodus Posts: 15,141	For some reason I convert more on Nats then MPA3, and I mean waaaaaay more. So I vote Nats + Carma. __________________ My Best Converting VOD Sponsor \|

08-10-2006, 07:11 PM	#32
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	Please go with MPA3, so I know how it goes, cuz I am going with one soon myself.

08-10-2006, 08:46 PM	#34
sirrobin Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 453	NATS gets my vote Regarding CARMA I think a custom CMS is always better than an out of the box solution. Will cost you the same

08-12-2006, 08:14 PM	#36
avalanche Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,922	Bump for MPA3 __________________ Avalanche CherryPimps - Daily Pornstars, LIVE and more!

08-13-2006, 12:35 AM	#38
The Ghost IslandDollars.com Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Icq: 176176 Posts: 12,188	It's always interesting how even these type of polls are between TMM and Mansion. And from the press photos, management in both companies are handsome. We use NATS and Carma together and really like the software. There is a learning curve in getting the program set up and implementing all of the features, but once you have a good grasp on the process it's smooth. And overall, doing business with TMM is great and support is fast. I hear many great things about Mansion, including great software and support. No practical experience in using them though. One of the main reasons is in just about every thread for Mansion some drops the past shaving comments. Does that hurt overall business and keep affiliates from not wanting to sell the product? I can't be sure... but I wouldn't like having one more thing to worry about. Some of the bigger programs use custom solutions since NATS / MPA3 did not exist when the programs were created. It would be a HUGE undertaking to change over all of the software for possibly little to no benefit. ... and if it ain't broke, why fix it? Any program looking to change over does so on idea it will increase business, through more efficient management and increased sales/reputation and the cleanliness of a integrated solution. A few programs have such muddled custom Frankenstein backends that have been modified by multiple programmers that even they don't know what end is up. Talk about specific details on what you need the software to accomplish with your program.... that would help in advice on a decision. These threads end up being popularity contests. And most importantly you should contact your affiliates directly to see their opinions on changing to a new affiliate management platform. Are you planning on keeping the CCbill program running as well? __________________ ISLAND DOLLARS 1000's of Exclusive TS scenes / Constant Updates Best TS Network your surfers will ever join Last edited by The Ghost; 08-13-2006 at 12:37 AM..

08-13-2006, 08:22 AM	#39
Bruce_Miller Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 4REALCASH.COM Posts: 783	Just have to say that we use MPA and their support is out of this world! Any problems that I've had or modifications I've needed, to fit my program they jump on top of the issue right away!

08-13-2006, 08:29 AM	#40
TurboAngel H.B.I.C. Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NC Posts: 30,122	I hope you do well who ever you pic.

08-13-2006, 08:39 AM	#41
ObnoxiousBitch Retired Curmudgeon Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: FloriDUH Posts: 133	I loved using MPA3 & MAS at Shane's World; it took me maybe an hour of poking around in the programs to learn how to use them, and their support has always been nothing short of spectacular. The only issue I had with either system is that there are some pages that contain typos (can you say "OCD"? I knew you could!). With that said, I hereby offer my proofreading services to Mansion. Never having used NATS or Carma, I've nothing to say one way or the other about their programs. __________________ Rox obnoxiousbitch.com

08-13-2006, 05:21 PM	#43
Pistol Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 161	Garry and Oystein have great technology, they're honest and super-reliable. We've got a lot at stake I wouldn't entrust our business to anybody else. __________________ www.gunzblazing.com www.hardgayfeeds.com www.aebn.net

08-13-2006, 06:51 PM	#45
alan-l Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: look behind you Posts: 2,477	More than a poll, you need to make a decision based on your own needs. Price, features, even hotness (I mean how comfortable you feel with the service, support and such) You'd also inquire on custom solutions, or even packs like Mambo for CMS. As for clickman's... dunno. I wouldn't advice to, but as I said before, you'd try different choices. We had a pretty unsatisfactory experience with them, to the point we ended using CCBill's own CC features and it worked way better than Clickman. And getting a mod done could take a lot of time. We ended with a full custom solution, more expensive than NATS and MPA3, but way more affordable in the long run and when adding more programs. However, I wouldn't recommend the custom way for processing, the optoions you mention are good enough

08-14-2006, 12:55 AM	#46
peterlt Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: UK Posts: 2	MPA3 is the way. The best affiliate software out there !

08-14-2006, 01:26 AM	#47
Big John Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Never never land Posts: 470	MPA3 simply because they're the only people I've had to deal with out of the two and they were great people to do business with. __________________

08-14-2006, 05:12 AM	#48
MrPornCash Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Why do you care?? Posts: 139	If you are starting up a serious affiliate program but lack experience I would most certenly go with MPA3. The support is superb, which is important since you in all cases need support to get started. Remember that the learnign curve is steap for all kinds of advanced software. The Mansion software has prooven to be extremely stable and fast. When you get the hang of it you will find that you'll never lack any kind of functionality. You will allso most certanly see that everything you do inside the menues is really well thougt through in terms of usability and serviceability. The help menues are allso very good and self explaining. For MAS i would just say.. after you have started to use that you will curse yourself for not getting it before you did. And last but not least.. The mansion design team rock's the world!!! http://www.mansionproductions.com/design So guess in which direction my vote went.. __________________ CURRENTLY IN PRE-LAUNCH

08-14-2006, 05:26 AM	#49
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	i dont promote mpa progams unless I HAVE to

08-14-2006, 05:30 AM	#50
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	I already know, Alleyboy will go with NATS. __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.