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qwe · 08-05-2006, 12:10 PM

you really think they give a fuck that some idiot will sue them ? comon man, everyone knows you just all talk... and everyone knows you ain't sueing anyone.. and even if you do, you'll spend alot of money and loose

and if you had lets say over 5g's in your account, you wouldn't talk to Keyser like that... you talk all big caz you got nothing to loose (well $30 lol ) ....

btw: i agree that epass shouldn't close so many accounts just like that, i've seen alot of threads lately

jayeff · 08-05-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Jayeff same goes with the pin code being reset.

Except that presumably the issuing bank doesn't tell EP it cannot warn its customers what to expect? Already an email goes out that a new card is being issued: would it be so hard so add a couple of lines to the effect that within x days you will to reset the pin on your existing card if you plan to use it again before the new one arrives?

GigoloMason · 08-05-2006, 02:00 PM

I can feel epassporte's legal team gearing up for the case now! I bet their absolutly terrified that you'd sue over $38!

Once again... good luck suing an international company over $38 especially when your hands are tied by a TOS you probally didn't even bother to read. douche.

tiger · 08-05-2006, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Because when I contact them, here is the kind of bullshit answers I get:

(17:04:22) KK: Hey, why the hell is my account suspended?
(17:05:39) Epass: Your account have been terminated please contact [email protected] for further questions, please CC me [email protected] and I will make sure you get an answer asap.
(17:06:26) KK: Why dont you give me a straight forward answer?
(17:06:56) Epass: Cause I don't know.
When I asked about it I was told your account were terminated and you need to contact Account Verification if you had any questions.
(17:07:41) KK: This is really special. You people suck.
(17:08:18) KK: Why dont you ask someone who knows about the situation and tell me? I am in no mood to play games sending e-mails back and forth to the "appeals department" like is done with PayPal.
(17:09:29) Epass: I have been told you need to contact [email protected] since they won't tell me, I can say whats the problem is.
I asked you to CC me so I can make sure you get an answer quickly.
(17:09:51) KK: They wont tell you, huh?
(17:09:57) KK: What a load of crap.
(17:10:12) KK: You do still work there, dont you?
(17:10:30) Epass: Yes I do.
(17:11:00) KK: So then why is it that you dont have access to any information?
(17:12:17) Epass: I don't have access to the system since I work remotely.
I just do what I am being told and I was told you needed to contact [email protected]
(17:13:22) KK: You obviously have someone who handles you at the main office, that you go to when you have questions or need access to something, right? Why not ask them?
(17:13:57) Epass: I did.
I asked why your account were blocked then they told me you needed to contact [email protected]
(17:15:10) KK: Fine. You all want to dick around with this. Give me your boss's phone number.
(17:15:26) KK: He might not listen to you, but he wont be able to help but listen to me.
(17:17:36) Epass: I don't have one.
Like I said I was told you needed to email [email protected] they are the ones that decided to close your account.
The owner of the company is [email protected] and if you email me anything you want me to forward please do so.
(17:24:06) KK: Yes, let him know: that legal action I mentioned. Its coming.
(17:24:14) Epass: ok
(17:25:00) KK: I have had it with you people. Its a shame I am not an attorney. I can only represent my intrests in Court. But if I were admitted to the bar, I would bring this as a class action.

Anyone remember [email protected]? Same damn thing.

Why would you post this? It makes you look like a complete idiot.

They were responsive and polite to your request and asked you to jump through a couple hoops. Big fucking deal. Instead you act like a child and starting calling them names and threatening legal action.

I hope epass bans your ass for life, you are a fucking child and don't deserve an account.

DutchTeenCash · 08-05-2006, 03:06 PM

this guy has WAY too much time on his hands

GigoloMason · 08-05-2006, 03:35 PM

He most likely is a child.

No one else would give 2 flying fucks about $40.
No one else with even a remote understanding of the court system would threaten to sue a large netherlands based company over $40

Probally googled himself a 'case' and is just trolling for attention as a joke.

natas · 08-05-2006, 04:23 PM

hilarious thread.

good luck with getting your $35 back dude

Rui · 08-05-2006, 05:58 PM

Its like you are the ePass-version stalker version of LC :S

You need to wake the fuck up...

V_RocKs · 08-05-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

No you're not going to sue, you're just going to cry on GFY about it instead.

Word....

SmokeyTheBear · 08-05-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

ISmokey and jayeff the two issue you describe (Statement, pin) unfortunately we are limited by the issuing bank, they don't give more than 30 days statement, thats why we sent out statements on request from card holders, if it was possible we would show a complete statement history.
We are working hard to get the issuing bank to improve these issues.

while i understand this isnt your decision and you certainly cant flip a switch and make us happy i suggest ( of course ) you tell the issuing bank to give you full account transaction history available. or simply database the records yourself.. if you get month by month transactions then simply dont delete the old month's transactions , keep them databased. you dont even need the issuing bank to help you with that..

minusonebit · 08-05-2006, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GigoloMason

He most likely is a child.

No one else would give 2 flying fucks about $40.
No one else with even a remote understanding of the court system would threaten to sue a large netherlands based company over $40

Probally googled himself a 'case' and is just trolling for attention as a joke.

Tell you what, since $40 is no big deal to you, how about I list an auction on eBay, you bid and win, then send me $40 for the item and I'll never send you the product and I'll jerk you around with stupid e-mails telling you to e-mail [email protected]. You'll understand how I feel then. Or perhaps not. Maybe your too stupid to care, plenty of those types on here. Its not the amount of money, its the principle of it.

I have told people I will not sue them in the Netherlands. They are a US company regardless of if they are organized here or not. And if nothing else, I may be able to affect thier ability to do business here in the states. And keep in mind, while they may not be incorporated here, Visa is and if they are found to be violating US banking laws, it will be possible to get a court order directed to Visa enjoining them from further transacting business until they get themselves legal.

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Originally Posted by natas

hilarious thread.

good luck with getting your $35 back dude

Oh, I will get the money back. That much is for certain. If nothing else, I'll file a chargeback through the card I used to open the account. I highly doubt they'll manage to prevail on that.

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

while i understand this isnt your decision and you certainly cant flip a switch and make us happy i suggest ( of course ) you tell the issuing bank to give you full account transaction history available. or simply database the records yourself.. if you get month by month transactions then simply dont delete the old month's transactions , keep them databased. you dont even need the issuing bank to help you with that..

Thats of course a good idea, Smokey. But keep in mind they are too busy fighting the raging war on fraud and also 'improving' the message center. The fact that anyone would design a system in this manner really speaks to thier ignorance.

GigoloMason · 08-05-2006, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

I have told people I will not sue them in the Netherlands. They are a US company regardless of if they are organized here or not. And if nothing else, I may be able to affect thier ability to do business here in the states. And keep in mind, while they may not be incorporated here, Visa is and if they are found to be violating US banking laws, it will be possible to get a court order directed to Visa enjoining them from further transacting business until they get themselves legal.

It's nice that you bothered to read the contract you entered into with epass before making these lovely sweeping claims:

This Agreement and any dispute between You and Us arising out of or related hereto, except for allegations that You have infringed or have threatened to infringe Our intellectual property rights, shall be exclusively governed by and subject to the laws of the St. Kitts, without regard to any principles of conflicts of laws thereof, whether or not Your ePassporte Account or any Cards associated therewith are used outside St. Kitts. Venue for any suit or claim arising out of or related hereto, except for allegations that You have infringed or have threatened to infringe Our intellectual property rights, shall exclusively be in the courts of St. Kitts, and by entering into this Agreement You irrevocably consent to the personal jurisdiction of the courts of St. Kitts.

And guess what. I know what my time is worth. I know how much of my time would get eaten up trying to sue a company like epassporte. If your time is worth so little that eating up endless hours suing over $35 makes sense, I guess you're right it might be worth it. That doesn't make me and idiot it just means I have much much better things to do. It also means you might want to consider getting a job.

tenderobject · 08-05-2006, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

while i understand this isnt your decision and you certainly cant flip a switch and make us happy i suggest ( of course ) you tell the issuing bank to give you full account transaction history available. or simply database the records yourself.. if you get month by month transactions then simply dont delete the old month's transactions , keep them databased. you dont even need the issuing bank to help you with that..

agreed!

i don't think that one is impossible in their end. looks very easy to me if they really want to make them customer happy..

keyser you do good work man!

pocketkangaroo · 08-05-2006, 08:21 PM

Looking forward to the lawsuit on Monday.

tenderobject · 08-05-2006, 08:21 PM

annd oopss

another thing i hate is that i paid for a yearly fee for card etc but im still using the old card i have... i don't think thats reasonable though

i would be happy if i pay the fee and receive atleast a brandnew card or something. still im using my old fart card so if i lose/destroy this card i will have to pay for another fee..

minusonebit · 08-05-2006, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GigoloMason

It's nice that you bothered to read the contract you entered into with epass before making these lovely sweeping claims:

This Agreement and any dispute between You and Us arising out of or related hereto, except for allegations that You have infringed or have threatened to infringe Our intellectual property rights, shall be exclusively governed by and subject to the laws of the St. Kitts, without regard to any principles of conflicts of laws thereof, whether or not Your ePassporte Account or any Cards associated therewith are used outside St. Kitts. Venue for any suit or claim arising out of or related hereto, except for allegations that You have infringed or have threatened to infringe Our intellectual property rights, shall exclusively be in the courts of St. Kitts, and by entering into this Agreement You irrevocably consent to the personal jurisdiction of the courts of St. Kitts.

And guess what. I know what my time is worth. I know how much of my time would get eaten up trying to sue a company like epassporte. If your time is worth so little that eating up endless hours suing over $35 makes sense, I guess you're right it might be worth it. That doesn't make me and idiot it just means I have much much better things to do. It also means you might want to consider getting a job.

Thats an affirmative defense that THEY would have to assert in Court. In order to do so, they would need to show up here personally or send a lawyer. You tell me who the winner would be. Me, who spent $200 and a weekend preparing and filing a complaint, or them, who spent at least a couple of grand to fly in one or two employees to represent the company here or they could hire counsel which would hand them a legal bill for at least $10K just for answering the complaint and dealing with all the housekeeping stuff and MY motions for injuctions and restraining orders before it even got to a motions hearing on thier jursdiction issue...

And the court still may not recognize it anyway, the Courts have held that consumer protection laws apply to all companies who do business in the United States and I doubt the Court would voltuntarily release the case to an international country when the violation took place in the US, the victium is a US citizen and the action is in a US court. And the country in question has no substantial equivent consumer privacy laws.

But anything is possible. I'd be willing to spend a couple hundred bucks to find out. I read the agreement, a company can put whatever the want in thier TOS. But what counts is what the Court holds as valid and binding.

pocketkangaroo · 08-05-2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Thats an affirmative defense that THEY would have to assert in Court. In order to do so, they would need to show up here personally or send a lawyer. You tell me who the winner would be. Me, who spent $200 and a weekend preparing and filing a complaint, or them, who spent at least a couple of grand to fly in one or two employees to represent the company here or they could hire counsel which would hand them a legal bill for at least $10K just for answering the complaint and dealing with all the housekeeping stuff and MY motions for injuctions and restraining orders before it even got to a motions hearing on thier jursdiction issue...

And the court still may not recognize it anyway, the Courts have held that consumer protection laws apply to all companies who do business in the United States and I doubt the Court would voltuntarily release the case to an international country when the violation took place in the US, the victium is a US citizen and the action is in a US court. And the country in question has no substantial equivent consumer privacy laws.

But anything is possible. I'd be willing to spend a couple hundred bucks to find out. I read the agreement, a company can put whatever the want in thier TOS. But what counts is what the Court holds as valid and binding.

My guess is that they would just refund your $39 and not bother going to small claims court if you are able to serve them.

minusonebit · 08-05-2006, 08:28 PM

Oh yes, and if they dont show up at all (which in this case, has about a 85% of happening), we have this little thing called a Judgment by Default. It basically means I will win whatever I asked for without a trial. And DJs are just as enforceable as ones won through a trial or jury verdict.

I always love the anrgy calls I get from spammers I have sued who ignored my complaint and the summons and the judgment and then find the sheriff at their door with an order to collect $$$ or seize assets.

pocketkangaroo · 08-05-2006, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Oh yes, and if they dont show up at all (which in this case, has about a 85% of happening), we have this little thing called a Judgment by Default. It basically means I will win whatever I asked for without a trial. And DJs are just as enforceable as ones won through a trial or jury verdict.

I always love the anrgy calls I get from spammers I have sued who ignored my complaint and the summons and the judgment and then find the sheriff at their door with an order to collect $$$ or seize assets.

Which spammers have you sued and won judgements against?

GigoloMason · 08-05-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Oh yes, and if they dont show up at all (which in this case, has about a 85% of happening), we have this little thing called a Judgment by Default. It basically means I will win whatever I asked for without a trial. And DJs are just as enforceable as ones won through a trial or jury verdict.

I always love the anrgy calls I get from spammers I have sued who ignored my complaint and the summons and the judgment and then find the sheriff at their door with an order to collect $$$ or seize assets.

The fact that it would cost you more to serve them than you'd win in court aside, all they would do is file for summary dismissal as this is a contract dispute, as you signed away your right to establish personal jurisdiction over them. Not to mention the fact that you didn't actually have money in the account but rather are claiming that they prevented you from completing a transaction due to downtime, another right you waived in the contract.

The bottom line is contractually you're in the wrong, ethically you're in the wrong, you're just plain fucking retarded, and not that I think you're actually going to file a suit but either way it's people like you that drag our court systems to a crawl over stupid pissing matches.

And you really think they'd fly someone in to defend them in a US court? LMFAO I know for a fact they have an attourney in the US retainered to deal with peons like you and likely more than one given the size of the company. Even if they didn't they're one phonecall + fax away from having someone here deal with it.

Oh and by the by you can be fined for filing lawsuits that are clearly without merit you realize?

PS: I'm sure you've sent the 'sheriff' to 100's of US based spammers since so many spammers are easy to track down + based in this country. LMFAO.

PPS: Inability to collect aside if you asked for any significant amount of money a default judgement is easy to have waived if they cared to.

Mr. Blue · 08-05-2006, 09:58 PM

This thread is absolutely hilarious. I've had epassporte for awhile now and I only had one issue with them and I called like an adult would, I discussed the issue like an adult, and it was resolved in 1 day.

Seriously though, sig whores threatening to sue a company does add a certain comic relief to the board.

I'll bet you $5 bucks you won't sue...I'll send it to your epass...oh wait...nm, lol.

qwe · 08-05-2006, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Oh yes, and if they dont show up at all (which in this case, has about a 85% of happening), we have this little thing called a Judgment by Default. It basically means I will win whatever I asked for without a trial. And DJs are just as enforceable as ones won through a trial or jury verdict.

I always love the anrgy calls I get from spammers I have sued who ignored my complaint and the summons and the judgment and then find the sheriff at their door with an order to collect $$$ or seize assets.

haha, please stop now... actually keep going, this is some funny sh!t

... who else did you sue ?

minusonebit · 08-05-2006, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GigoloMason

The fact that it would cost you more to serve them than you'd win in court aside, all they would do is file for summary dismissal as this is a contract dispute, as you signed away your right to establish personal jurisdiction over them. Not to mention the fact that you didn't actually have money in the account but rather are claiming that they prevented you from completing a transaction due to downtime, another right you waived in the contract.

The bottom line is contractually you're in the wrong, ethically you're in the wrong, you're just plain fucking retarded, and not that I think you're actually going to file a suit but either way it's people like you that drag our court systems to a crawl over stupid pissing matches.

And you really think they'd fly someone in to defend them in a US court? LMFAO I know for a fact they have an attourney in the US retainered to deal with peons like you and likely more than one given the size of the company. Even if they didn't they're one phonecall + fax away from having someone here deal with it.

Oh and by the by you can be fined for filing lawsuits that are clearly without merit you realize?

PS: I'm sure you've sent the 'sheriff' to 100's of US based spammers since so many spammers are easy to track down + based in this country. LMFAO.

PPS: Inability to collect aside if you asked for any significant amount of money a default judgement is easy to have waived if they cared to.

Most spammers are very hard to locate, if not impossible. Occasionally I found a newbie who didnt bother to hide or didnt hide well. When I found those, I sued under Indiana's anti-spam stature (which is now more or less unenforceable due to the I-CAN-SPAM Act, which preempts state law (at least it does until I bother to mount a case to take that law itself out on the federal level under a states rights arguement) I sued about 20 of them. A couple more couldnt be served due to inability to find them, so they got pitched out. I have collected approx. $10K in judgmnets and have about $30K outstanding, most of which will never be collected upon.

I lost only one case, and that was against The Sharper Image. They had a good lawyer who convinced the judge that screenshots of thier database proved that I requested the spam. Whatever. It was still fun to know that they paid for the spam in legal bills.

I will file the case and I will win it. Or I'll at least have fun trying.

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Originally Posted by qwe

haha, please stop now... actually keep going, this is some funny sh!t

... who else did you sue ?

I'm not going to list my legal actions here. Would take far too long and is not worth the time required.

I will say this: I have set legal precident in Ohio. Because of a suit *I* filed and *Won* (and I acted as my own attorney in that one too) everyone in that state can now sue ANY business who prints the expiration date or more than the last five digits of a credit card number on a reciept for $200 for each violation. A certified copy of the judgmnet is in the Public Inspection File (PIF) with the Ohio Attorney General's Office, Consumer Protection Division. The last time I checked, more than 100 suits have been filed by others as a result of my case.

Gaybucks · 08-06-2006, 03:18 AM

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I will say this: I have set legal precident in Ohio. Because of a suit *I* filed and *Won* (and I acted as my own attorney in that one too) everyone in that state can now sue ANY business who prints the expiration date or more than the last five digits of a credit card number on a reciept for $200 for each violation.

Wow, you must have a really fulfilling life if your claim to fame is winning a bullshit case about expiration dates and credit card numbers on receipts. I'm sure winning another bullshit case by default against a company by suing them where you have no venue and have agreed to other venue will be quite the impressive feather to add to your cap.

Of course, motions for summary judgements are easy and cheap, and the terms of service you agreed to would seem to be open and shut for a summary judgement or dismissal in this case.

And in the case of small claims, my guess is the judge would take one look at this case and basically laugh you out of the courtroom.

If s/he doesn't, you've done such a fabulous job of making yourself look like an idiot here that I don't think you need to worry too much about having anyone in the adult business interested in doing any business with you, so you won't be having any need for epassporte anyway.

pocketkangaroo · 08-06-2006, 03:43 AM

There was a site out there about "Get Rich Quick" by suing spammers and fax blasters. I think you get like $10 an e-mail or something. Some people did it and had success. Guess I just think I'd find better things to do with my time.

minusonebit · 08-06-2006, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

There was a site out there about "Get Rich Quick" by suing spammers and fax blasters. I think you get like $10 an e-mail or something. Some people did it and had success. Guess I just think I'd find better things to do with my time.

In states like Ohio, its $10. In most other states, try $500 for e-mail and for faxesd, until they put the damn revised TCPA through, it was $500 per fax and you could often get treble damages for $1500 per fax if you could show that the violation was "wilful or knowing", which was easy because all you had to do was show they had been sued for it before.

fris · 08-06-2006, 06:45 AM

nothing will be solved as per usual.

Swanks · 08-06-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

I have sued spammers from Mexico and won (by default, of course). Never could collect because I couldnt find any assets of thiers here here. But that wont be a problem for ePassporte, I know right where thier assets are.

Kiss the epass account good bye. Youre wasting your time crying about it. You havent lost anything nor are you gaining anything here, why waste the time..

pocketkangaroo · 08-06-2006, 09:30 PM

::Knock on ePassportes door::

Sheriff: OPEN UP, ITS THE SHERIFF! WE ARE HERE TO CONFISCATE $39!

qwe · 08-06-2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

In states like Ohio, its $10. In most other states, try $500 for e-mail and for faxesd, until they put the damn revised TCPA through, it was $500 per fax and you could often get treble damages for $1500 per fax if you could show that the violation was "wilful or knowing", which was easy because all you had to do was show they had been sued for it before.

low lifes like you got nothing better to do but to snitch...

minusonebit · 08-06-2006, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fris

nothing will be solved as per usual.

Somehow, I have a feeling you are right.

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Originally Posted by Change Me

Kiss the epass account good bye. Youre wasting your time crying about it. You havent lost anything nor are you gaining anything here, why waste the time..

I am well aware of the fact that some of ePassporte's bigger account holders keep thier spam money there. I dont really give a good goddamn what anyone thinks about the whole situation. I am right and they are wrong, its as simple as that.

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Originally Posted by qwe

low lifes like you got nothing better to do but to snitch...

Snitch? Its against the law. And for a good reason. Just because you have a message you want to put out dosent mean that you have the right to steal my office supplies or my bandwidth or disk space to send it.

Greg MissionD · 08-07-2006, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tony404

I dont understand why people dont use paypal , if your doing graphics work or selling your sig. Thats not adult as long as its not [email protected],there is nothing adult about a simple business transaction. As soon as the money comes in take it out, all these things are not banks they are not insured. I never leave more than twenty bucks in my paypal account.

Epassporte are cheaper than paypal, not everyone is in the USA with a USA paypal account.

If you send a $1000 on paypal it costs like the receiver $30 or something, epass it's $2 cost to the sender with a business account.

There is NO ATM card for international paypal users, only USA users.

It gets tedious to remind everyone that you do business with that they must not use any adult related domains, descriptions or email addresses in their transfers as my account "might" get frozen for that, which is a risk.

As soon as it comes in you take it out, should not have to have that feeling really, but most people do the same as they are never sure if something might happen to their paypal account.

It's horses for courses, we find paypal very usefull also.

On another note:
epassporte have been a great service to us and Keyser when needed has taken care of everything personally for us, the only thing i don't like is when a transaction does not go through and it stays in pending for a month before i get that money back, it's really make me unsure to use the online card as this keeps happening recently.

Nylz · 08-07-2006, 01:07 AM

Sheriff

emthree · 08-07-2006, 01:15 AM

You sound like a cry-a-baby grumpy old man.
You should sue the person who refered you to epass too.

joshll · 08-07-2006, 07:32 AM

buddy, take it from a legal advisor, you will come off worse, when you sign the TOS you agree that you wont sue under any condition and that they can suspend or terminate your account without notice or due reason

northboy · 08-07-2006, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by minusonebit

Because when I contact them, here is the kind of bullshit answers I get:

(17:04:22) KK: Hey, why the hell is my account suspended?
(17:05:39) Epass: Your account have been terminated please contact [email protected] for further questions, please CC me [email protected] and I will make sure you get an answer asap.
(17:06:26) KK: Why dont you give me a straight forward answer?
(17:06:56) Epass: Cause I don't know.
When I asked about it I was told your account were terminated and you need to contact Account Verification if you had any questions.
(17:07:41) KK: This is really special. You people suck.
(17:08:18) KK: Why dont you ask someone who knows about the situation and tell me? I am in no mood to play games sending e-mails back and forth to the "appeals department" like is done with PayPal.
(17:09:29) Epass: I have been told you need to contact [email protected] since they won't tell me, I can say whats the problem is.
I asked you to CC me so I can make sure you get an answer quickly.
(17:09:51) KK: They wont tell you, huh?
(17:09:57) KK: What a load of crap.
(17:10:12) KK: You do still work there, dont you?
(17:10:30) Epass: Yes I do.
(17:11:00) KK: So then why is it that you dont have access to any information?
(17:12:17) Epass: I don't have access to the system since I work remotely.
I just do what I am being told and I was told you needed to contact [email protected]
(17:13:22) KK: You obviously have someone who handles you at the main office, that you go to when you have questions or need access to something, right? Why not ask them?
(17:13:57) Epass: I did.
I asked why your account were blocked then they told me you needed to contact [email protected]
(17:15:10) KK: Fine. You all want to dick around with this. Give me your boss's phone number.
(17:15:26) KK: He might not listen to you, but he wont be able to help but listen to me.
(17:17:36) Epass: I don't have one.
Like I said I was told you needed to email [email protected] they are the ones that decided to close your account.
The owner of the company is [email protected] and if you email me anything you want me to forward please do so.
(17:24:06) KK: Yes, let him know: that legal action I mentioned. Its coming.
(17:24:14) Epass: ok
(17:25:00) KK: I have had it with you people. Its a shame I am not an attorney. I can only represent my intrests in Court. But if I were admitted to the bar, I would bring this as a class action.

Anyone remember [email protected]? Same damn thing.

You need to learn how to talk appropriately when dealing with business matters. You start off the conversation with a 'why the hell' and then throw in a 'you people suck'. I don't care if you sue them or not or if they were wrong or right but you should always maintain a professional level of language when you are dealing with business people otherwise they will just tune you out. You sound like you are 12 years old in that conversation and how do you expect them or anyone working there to deal with you when you talk like that?

jayeff · 08-07-2006, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshll

buddy, take it from a legal advisor, you will come off worse, when you sign the TOS you agree that you wont sue under any condition and that they can suspend or terminate your account without notice or due reason

I'm glad you are not my legal adviser. When such clauses exist they are intended primarily to discourage legal action and do not provide a carte-blanche for people to act as they wish. They certainly don't cover debt and anyway, regardless of the likely outcome of more complicated proceedings, it can be a perfectly sound tactic in some circumstances to threaten, even begin them.

shaliza · 08-07-2006, 09:44 AM

Your account has been terminated as you have violated ePassporte?s Terms and Conditions.

Our legal team has asked us not to comment further on this situation as you are planning to take legal action.

pocketkangaroo · 08-07-2006, 09:55 AM

Today is past 3 business days. It's lawsuit day! Right?

Holly · 08-07-2006, 10:04 AM

Please let this be a board character, lol.

WarChild · 08-07-2006, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holly

Please let this be a board character, lol.

I think Perry Mason here is actually serious. Fancies himself a real litigator. One too many Grisham novels?

OG LennyT · 08-07-2006, 11:03 AM

will someone please stop bumping this shite?

oops... damn, now I did it

minusonebit · 08-07-2006, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Today is past 3 business days. It's lawsuit day! Right?

Not so fast. There are some other things that need to be done before that. Like writing a letter to the Office of the Comptroller of Currency about ePass operating outside of the banking regulations. Thats how PayPal's problems got started, when one pissed off customer wrote to the OCC.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaliza

Your account has been terminated as you have violated ePassporte?s Terms and Conditions.

Our legal team has asked us not to comment further on this situation as you are planning to take legal action.

Typical copout.

How did I violate your terms and conditions? Was there a part in there about not saying anything other than glowing, positive remarks on industry boards? If so, then I am guilty as charged. Otherwise... WTF are you talking about?

And of course, no one has bothered to respond to my e-mail yet, either. You people are a joke.

Satan · 08-07-2006, 11:24 AM

You really are an idiot, did you agree to the terms and agreement when opening an account? Im guessing you just said yes, Well guess what they have every right to close yr account then

OG LennyT · 08-07-2006, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minusonebit

How did I violate your terms and conditions? Was there a part in there about not saying anything other than glowing, positive remarks on industry boards? If so, then I am guilty as charged. Otherwise... WTF are you talking about?

And of course, no one has bothered to respond to my e-mail yet, either. You people are a joke.

when you threaten legal action, this is what happens. Welcome to the real world.

Gunni · 08-07-2006, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minusonebit

Yeah, but, uhm, he hasnt. Another small item on the long, long list of ePassporte's broken promises and shortcommings in dealing with my account.

I do have to hand it to you all, you all really have managed to snowball this board and the industry as a whole. You all have managed to get a majority of this industry to think that ePassporte provides good service. Either they dont know what good service really is because they have never had it or they are just too ignorant to care.

I had the exact same problem with epassporte!

I called them and it was solved in under 1 minute...
You're wasting your time and making yourself look like a fool making a big thing out of nothing. Also starting out in this biz you should be trying to make friends, not come across as some negative fool that gets upset over nothing and threatens to sue, reputation is something you do have to think about in this industry

Klen · 08-07-2006, 11:56 AM

I can bet,if this come to court judge will laugh when he will see content of lawsuit.I mean there is nothing what sustain normal law suit.
In any case,i am very satisfied with epassporte,especialy with keyser soze who solve something which i was think it was impossible.So if it will be nesseary to defend epassporte i will be first in the line

)

makefuckingmoney · 08-07-2006, 11:58 AM

id think you could get a few mil in damages

minusonebit · 08-07-2006, 12:05 PM

Some more Keyser Sore helpfullness.
ht.
(14:20:44) KK: He still hasnt responded yet.
(14:21:41) Epass: Shaliza has posted in your thread.

(14:21:50) KK: Yes, I know.
(14:22:21) KK: So thats all you guys are gonna tell me? That I commited some unnamed violation of your TOS?
(14:24:26) Epass: Please refer to Shaliza post.
(14:24:42) KK: heh, what a joke.
(14:24:56) KK: Well, you guys are gonna get what you want.
(14:26:11) Epass: You choose taking legal action and because you did we have to protect ourselves.
If you hadn't this could have been solved peacefully.
(14:27:08) KK: I havent filed anything yet.
(14:27:21) KK: I threatened legal action because its warrented.
(14:27:37) KK: And I also said "If this wasnt resolved... I would...."
(14:28:58) Epass: I can help you, you need to contact either [email protected] or [email protected]
(14:29:35) KK: But we're done with the e-mail game.
(14:29:55) KK: I sent one e-mail to all the people you told me to send it to, and no one has bothered to respond to it.
(14:30:14) KK: Give me one good reason why sending another would be anything other than futile keystokes.
(14:50:13) Epass logged in.

Ah well, you all have fun. I am gonna go down to the post office and see what can be done about getting my money back for this money order that I sent to a guy on eBay. He held onto the money order for like a month and I completely forgot about it, then today it showed up back here - uncashed - with a note saying he couldnt find the item I bought. Since its made payable to him, I cant put it in my bank I dont think. He should have fucking cashed it and made out a refund check, rather than returning it like this. What a fucking putz. Well, ePassporte isnt the only one to exhibit incomptence these last few days.

pocketkangaroo · 08-07-2006, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by minusonebit

This has gone on for long enough. If my account is not unlocked within the next three working days, I am going to file a lawsuit.

What's the word on the lawsuit, it's been past 3 working days. Inquiring GFY minds want to know.

08-05-2006, 12:10 PM	#101
qwe Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,109	you really think they give a fuck that some idiot will sue them ? comon man, everyone knows you just all talk... and everyone knows you ain't sueing anyone.. and even if you do, you'll spend alot of money and loose and if you had lets say over 5g's in your account, you wouldn't talk to Keyser like that... you talk all big caz you got nothing to loose (well $30 lol ) .... btw: i agree that epass shouldn't close so many accounts just like that, i've seen alot of threads lately Last edited by qwe; 08-05-2006 at 12:11 PM..

08-05-2006, 02:00 PM	#103
GigoloMason Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 742	I can feel epassporte's legal team gearing up for the case now! I bet their absolutly terrified that you'd sue over $38! Once again... good luck suing an international company over $38 especially when your hands are tied by a TOS you probally didn't even bother to read. douche. __________________ Last edited by GigoloMason; 08-05-2006 at 02:02 PM..

08-05-2006, 03:06 PM	#105
DutchTeenCash I like Dutch Girls Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: dutchteencash.com Posts: 21,684	this guy has WAY too much time on his hands __________________ ICQ 16 91 547 - SKYPE dutchteencash bob AT dutchteencash DOT com ... did you see our newest Sweet Natural Girl Priscilla (18)?

08-05-2006, 03:35 PM	#106
GigoloMason Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 742	He most likely is a child. No one else would give 2 flying fucks about $40. No one else with even a remote understanding of the court system would threaten to sue a large netherlands based company over $40 Probally googled himself a 'case' and is just trolling for attention as a joke. __________________

08-05-2006, 08:21 PM	#115
tenderobject Need Designs? 312352846 Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere Posts: 11,687	annd oopss another thing i hate is that i paid for a yearly fee for card etc but im still using the old card i have... i don't think thats reasonable though i would be happy if i pay the fee and receive atleast a brandnew card or something. still im using my old fart card so if i lose/destroy this card i will have to pay for another fee.. __________________ NEED DESIGNS?!?

08-05-2006, 04:23 PM	#107
natas Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: : unknown Posts: 3,377	hilarious thread. good luck with getting your $35 back dude

08-05-2006, 05:58 PM	#108
Rui web Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: On icq: 85-483-060 Posts: 9,533	Its like you are the ePass-version stalker version of LC :S You need to wake the fuck up...

08-05-2006, 08:21 PM	#114
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	Looking forward to the lawsuit on Monday.

08-05-2006, 08:28 PM	#118
minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	Oh yes, and if they dont show up at all (which in this case, has about a 85% of happening), we have this little thing called a Judgment by Default. It basically means I will win whatever I asked for without a trial. And DJs are just as enforceable as ones won through a trial or jury verdict. I always love the anrgy calls I get from spammers I have sued who ignored my complaint and the summons and the judgment and then find the sheriff at their door with an order to collect $$$ or seize assets.

08-05-2006, 09:58 PM	#121
Mr. Blue Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New York Posts: 536	This thread is absolutely hilarious. I've had epassporte for awhile now and I only had one issue with them and I called like an adult would, I discussed the issue like an adult, and it was resolved in 1 day. Seriously though, sig whores threatening to sue a company does add a certain comic relief to the board. I'll bet you $5 bucks you won't sue...I'll send it to your epass...oh wait...nm, lol. __________________ See Sig...oh wait.

08-06-2006, 03:43 AM	#125
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	There was a site out there about "Get Rich Quick" by suing spammers and fax blasters. I think you get like $10 an e-mail or something. Some people did it and had success. Guess I just think I'd find better things to do with my time. Last edited by pocketkangaroo; 08-06-2006 at 03:44 AM..

08-06-2006, 06:45 AM	#127
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,372	nothing will be solved as per usual. __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

08-06-2006, 09:30 PM	#129
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	::Knock on ePassportes door:: Sheriff: OPEN UP, ITS THE SHERIFF! WE ARE HERE TO CONFISCATE $39!

08-07-2006, 01:07 AM	#133
Nylz Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Rotterdam Posts: 8,285	Sheriff __________________ No sig.

08-07-2006, 01:15 AM	#134
emthree Dialer Kingpin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New York Posts: 10,816	You sound like a cry-a-baby grumpy old man. You should sue the person who refered you to epass too. __________________ • Sell Patches & Pills •

08-07-2006, 07:32 AM	#135
joshll Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tenerife, Los Gigantos Posts: 1,534	buddy, take it from a legal advisor, you will come off worse, when you sign the TOS you agree that you wont sue under any condition and that they can suspend or terminate your account without notice or due reason __________________ WiredBall PinPointsX ICQ: 227454293

08-07-2006, 09:44 AM	#138
shaliza Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 548	Your account has been terminated as you have violated ePassporte?s Terms and Conditions. Our legal team has asked us not to comment further on this situation as you are planning to take legal action. __________________ Email: shaliza.somani at ePassporte dot com

08-07-2006, 09:55 AM	#139
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	Today is past 3 business days. It's lawsuit day! Right?

08-07-2006, 10:04 AM	#140
Holly Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Jesusland Posts: 10,017	Please let this be a board character, lol. __________________ War National Damn Champions Eagle

08-07-2006, 11:03 AM	#142
OG LennyT Wall Street Pimp Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 14,345	will someone please stop bumping this shite? oops... damn, now I did it __________________ Tradeking - my online broker \| 4.95 a trade \| make real $$

08-07-2006, 11:24 AM	#144
Satan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hell Posts: 1,626	You really are an idiot, did you agree to the terms and agreement when opening an account? Im guessing you just said yes, Well guess what they have every right to close yr account then __________________ WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU?

08-07-2006, 11:56 AM	#147
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	I can bet,if this come to court judge will laugh when he will see content of lawsuit.I mean there is nothing what sustain normal law suit. In any case,i am very satisfied with epassporte,especialy with keyser soze who solve something which i was think it was impossible.So if it will be nesseary to defend epassporte i will be first in the line )

08-07-2006, 11:58 AM	#148
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	id think you could get a few mil in damages

08-07-2006, 12:05 PM	#149
minusonebit So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: [email protected] Posts: 7,391	Some more Keyser Sore helpfullness. ht. (14:20:44) KK: He still hasnt responded yet. (14:21:41) Epass: Shaliza has posted in your thread. (14:21:50) KK: Yes, I know. (14:22:21) KK: So thats all you guys are gonna tell me? That I commited some unnamed violation of your TOS? (14:24:26) Epass: Please refer to Shaliza post. (14:24:42) KK: heh, what a joke. (14:24:56) KK: Well, you guys are gonna get what you want. (14:26:11) Epass: You choose taking legal action and because you did we have to protect ourselves. If you hadn't this could have been solved peacefully. (14:27:08) KK: I havent filed anything yet. (14:27:21) KK: I threatened legal action because its warrented. (14:27:37) KK: And I also said "If this wasnt resolved... I would...." (14:28:58) Epass: I can help you, you need to contact either [email protected] or [email protected] (14:29:35) KK: But we're done with the e-mail game. (14:29:55) KK: I sent one e-mail to all the people you told me to send it to, and no one has bothered to respond to it. (14:30:14) KK: Give me one good reason why sending another would be anything other than futile keystokes. (14:50:13) Epass logged in. Ah well, you all have fun. I am gonna go down to the post office and see what can be done about getting my money back for this money order that I sent to a guy on eBay. He held onto the money order for like a month and I completely forgot about it, then today it showed up back here - uncashed - with a note saying he couldnt find the item I bought. Since its made payable to him, I cant put it in my bank I dont think. He should have fucking cashed it and made out a refund check, rather than returning it like this. What a fucking putz. Well, ePassporte isnt the only one to exhibit incomptence these last few days.