Bullshiter ! You got me!

I'm sure this vibrates your tinfoil but how are you going to explain the peaceful transfering of power to the next administration?
will you pretend you weren't really believing this horse shit or will you just blindly follow the next conspiracy theory that attempts to explain how the next admin was picked by cheney so he could maintain control over the government.

oh, and when cheney dies, will you then admit you were wrong or will you explain how he secretly installed his lezbo daughter into the position of grand pooh bah in a cerimony under the vatican. You know, where the sacrifice the babies.:1orglaugh

you can't say who is at fault but you can say who isn't?

mmmmmmmmkay.

Man, this is like talking with a six year old who has ADD, seriously. He doesn't understand the difference between an independent investigation and a congressional commission. He thinks laughing faces make it look like what he's posting is funny or makes sense. Can he even create a post without a laughing face? This is getting really, really sad.

I believe in common sense 12clicks. Not the government, not the media, not some maniac who makes videos for the internet. Common sense. Something you are apparently lacking. When a crime is committed in my city, I want to see it investigated. When it affects the policy of my government, I want to see the evidence against the man they blame. Have you seen any evidence that Bin Laden was responsible? No, you just accept authority because you have a very weak mind. Apparently you saw something "with you own two eyes" on 9/11 that proved Bin Laden was involved. I saw no such thing. Again, CNN and FOX putting up his picture is not proof enough for me. I'm not saying he's innocent, I'm saying I want to see an investigation that proves his guilt. I realize you don't need this, but that's because you're stupid. If they had said Gaddafi had done it, you would have blindly accepted that. If they had said it was China, you would have blindy accepted that. No matter who they said did it, you would believe it, and you'd be here calling me an idiot for wanting proof. I know you can not understand how stupid that is, but it's stupid. Really, really stupid.

Honestly 12clicks, did you graduate high school? Scan your HS degree right now and I'll put "12clicks is a genius and I'm an idiot" in my sig for a month.

when making fun of you, smilies are in order. always.:1orglaugh

please son, lay it out for me, explain your common sense.:1orglaugh
you don't believe the government so you don't believe the government's evidence.
you don't believe the media so you don't believe their evidence
you don't believe the 9/11 commission because you've decided they aren't independant.
so in your deluded Paronoid schizophrenic world view, all of congress, all of the Bush admin, and all of the news outlets are in on this big conspiracy.
cool.
is the pope the puppet master of all of this or is it that dreaded Illuminati.
shhhhhh, don;t say that name too loud, they'll come get you for figuring out the truth!:1orglaugh

In other words,

I knew it, but thank you for FINALLY being honest, for the first time in your life.


I never said anything about a conspiracy, but I understand why you have the need to lie and put words in my mouth when you realize that what you're saying is complete bullshit and you have no reasonable response to what I'm saying. Funny that you honestly believe that the government and the media tell the truth about everything. How naive can an adult get?


What is the government's evidence that Bin Laden did it?

problem number 1: You wouldn't know, because you can't/don't read.
problem number 2: There really isn't any that they've shown the public.

Show me some of this "government evidence" you keep talking about. Amazing that you have all this inside info. The rest of the country has not seen a damn thing that proves that Bin Laden was responsible.

You're like a small child who believes his parents can do no wrong. Amazing, yet very sad. I always thought you wore the mustache because you were trying to hide the fact that you are gay. Turns out, it has more to do with your insecurities about your education and intelligence level and your "mommy and daddy" related authority issues.

My wife is an increasingly prominent psychiatrist, if you need some help. I won't tell the rest of the board, and I'll get her to cut her fees in half. No joke.

When a crime is committed in your city, who exactly do you expect to investigate it that you'll actually believe?

You don't trust the government. Thats fine. You don't trust the media. Thats fine. You don't trust some Internet movie guy. Thats fine too.

If you don't trust anybody, who would you actually trust? What person would you actually believe if they came up to you and said "hey, yep, old Osama did it again"?

You say common sense, but thats really pretty naive. "Common sense" is only as common and true as you want it to be. Facts have to come in to play somewhere. But from who?

I only clicked on this thread to see if 12clicks had a heat stroke and lost his mind, but since he didn't...please carry on. Btw, just because you wear a tinfoil hat doesn't mean you can't be stylish...some of you should try the tinfoil fez

http://www.69blues.com/images/fez.jpg

I would believe it if I saw the evidence myself, and/or I would believe a jury of 12 Americans who convicted him based on evidence provided. I would not blindly take any man at his word. If a murder is commited, and the DA says, so and so is guilty, trust me, that's not good enough for me. It's also not good enough for my country, as per the Constituation and Bill of Rights.

This is why I use the word blindly. If you don't know what they're basing their conclusions on, you are blindly accepting them at their word.

If someone tells me the score of the Mets game, I'll blindly take them at their word. If someone tells me who was responsible for the worst crime in American history, which the government has used as an excuse for a radical change in our foriegn policy and to restrict our civil rights at home, I need more than someone's word.

Do you understand where I'm coming from? The vast majority of middle/upper class New Yorkers think the exact same way. There was a Zogby poll after the bs "9/11 commission" came out that showed 70 million Americans wanted a real investigation. I guess people from fly over country don't care enough to demand real answers.

Sure, I understand. I think you care more about it because you're from New York.

I don't need to see concrete evidence every time somebody tells me something. There's way too much going on for me to be running around and investigating every situation just so I know the "full truth". There's a point where you listen to and believe "trusted sources". They gain their status of being "trusted sources" through various ways and they remain "trusted sources" until they give you reason not to trust them.

That is how most people think.

I don't need to be in Lebanon to know that a war is raging. I don't need to be sitting in on a UN meeting to know that people are getting pretty pissed. I don't need to be sitting in on a dinner between the Israeli big shots to know that the war isn't going to be over this week.

Continuing with that thought...

I have yet to see one good conspiracy theory from a "trusted source". Every theory is from some guy that nobody has ever heard of and has always created theories and ideas of "what really happened". Now could one of these guys actually be right? Oh absolutely, but its going to need REALLY good evidence because it bends away from "common sense".

I was reading earlier today about a theory of the plane in Pennsylvania getting shot down. Some Corp. told Alex Jones that all of this took place and I found tons of stuff on the Internet about it. Doing research on this Corp., from what I found he's been retired for over 25 years. He went on to claim that he had regular weekly access with the Joint Chiefs of Staff and they gave him this information.

So lets think about this for a second... the Joint Chiefs of Staff and government are smart enough to frame Osama and stage a massive "terrorist act" and yet they allow a 25 year retired Corp. in on weekly meetings and tell him "yeh, we ordered the National Guard to shoot down the plane".

That just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. None. That is totally ridiculous and it amazes me that people don't ask themselves "and how does this guy know this information and why is the government allowing him to go on National radio making these claims yet supposedly they're keeping the other hundreds of involved people quiet?"

I wish I could find more information on this guy. He's probably sitting in a shack in Montana rambling on about aliens coming in through his sink faucet.

Yappo.

Sure, sure, I understand what you're saying. You may be right, I may be more passionate about this particular event because of where I live, and because I know people directly affect. But I really think that this is a special situation. I'm not the kind of guy who thinks that everything on TV is some zionist or Catholic conspiracy or whatever.

Our government has used this event to lead us into 2 wars, plus a proxy war. And we all know, even if only in the back of our minds, that this is probably only the beggining. It's not just any run of the mill world event. It's probably the most serious thing that will happen in our lifetimes. I just think that we shouldn't be expected to blindly accept the government's word about who is involved. We the people, the victims of this crime, should be shown the evidence. Either in a courtroom setting, or some other reasonable form of investigation. This is one of the few crimes in the US that has not been investigated, and that worries me.

I totally agree. These sorts of accusations are widespread, and I do not give them much credit. Just because someone is ex military, sorry, that does not mean they're not presently crazy.

I do not pretend to have any answers about 9/11. All I know is what's right there in front of me. This horrible crime was committed that has affected our country more than anything since Pearl Harbor, and it has not been properly investigated. In fact, attempts at investigations have been stifled by the federal government. The majority of the people believe that Bin Laden did it for no other reason than, from what I can see, CNN tells them he did. As they did 5 minutes after the second tower was hit. This is what doesn't sit right, in my eyes.

haha.. exactly. good thing conspiracy theorists are apparently shitty at math or they would realize that the ratio of "suspected conspiracy" to "proven conclusively to have been a conspiracy" is hovering right at around.... uhm... i would guess.... about 551,566,134,233:5

Lets just say the old boys club knows how to maximize profit and power in a given situation created or not created by them. At the end of the day 911 was great for Haliburton.
last point no conspiracy theory in that article. It's matter of fact of how the US went to war with Iraq after 911. It's why bush was not falted for deciding to go to war.
Did you watch it?

lmfao, sorry dude, but you obviously don't understand who you're talking to.

Did you watch it. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

As if learning something that is contrary to his ideology will make him rethink his views. You give this man way to much credit. Anything he hears that opposes what the government says will immedietly be cast aside as crazy or biased, regardless of the source. If Edward R. Murrow were alive today, 12clicks would be calling him a communist every time he exposed one of the governments lies. He is not capable of independent thought. He doesn't even really understand the word independent, as he admitted in this thread.

Go bang your head off the wall for about 30 minutes, it would be easier than attempting to have a conversation with this 12clicks charector.

In other words, unless you witnessed it, or the conclusions reached agree with you, it didn't happen.

Nice.

Does anyone question how massive this cover-up / conspiracy would have to be and just how many people would have had to be involved to pull it off? That alone dictates the fallacy of the theory itself.

Why does the size and scope of the conspiracy theory make it impossible to pull off? Look how many agencies, how many people, how many players would need to be involved to not only pull the thing off, but then to subsequently cover it up.

It falls into what Sly was saying regarding "common sense" and just the infeasibility of it all. I mean, Bush is too stupid to turn the mic off while he's speaking to Blair about the situation in Lebanon...do you honestly think monkey boy can pull off a conspiracy like this? He can't say the word nuclear. Here's a quote from Bush:

Huh? Umm, okay, if he pulled off the biggest crime in world history and you believe it...I got a bridge to sell you.

http://www.debunking911.com/massivect.htm

Just give that a read and just kind of think about it for a few minutes. Even if you don't believe in the government, believe in the essential flaws of human nature to keep a secret :D It's impossible to keep something of that size and scope a secret...too many people would be involved.

Wow, do you have a reading comprehension problem or what? Honestly. How did you take my comment and come to this conclusion???

I clearly said that if a jury of 12 Americans was presented with evidence, and found Bin Laden guilty, I would accept it.

To you, this sounds like, well, whatever you just managed to spit out. "unless you witnessed it, or the conclusions reached agree with you, it didn't happen." Who the fuck said anything like that? You have serious issues. Let me guess, another high school dropout? Fucking amazing, the ignorance on this board sometimes.

Is it possible you are even more stupid than I originally thought?

Yep, the man pictured below pulled off the biggest conspiracy ever:

http://www.69blues.com/images/bushbook.jpg

http://www.69blues.com/images/bushbino.jpg

Come on people...just say no to tinfoil.

hahaha, no more nonsense pls....

lol I think his sig used to say I'm the wall you bang your head against or something like that. This shit is to deep for a porn board : )

.... and this is the point where the conspiracy crowd comes in to inform us that "uhm... well, its not really him you see, its the establishment and those around him"

Mr. Blue is telling people not to believe stupid shit they read on the internet...

YET...

He's posting DOCTORED pictures from the internet, as if they are true.

No, son, Bush did not have that book upside down. Bush did not have those lens caps on. It's a miracle called photoshop.

Amazing the stupid shit that stupid people will believe and repeat.

Found this slip-up by world trade owner Larry Silverstein:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ry+Silverstein

Now, when he says "pull"... is that an freudian slip or something else? :pimp

Does you guys actually believe that a ton of government officials, media outlets, engineers, and so on are secretly hiding "the truth"? That 9/11 was some play that people acted out for the public? That not a single person involved has leaked the "the truth"? I mean this government leaks just about everything to anyone. Yet they somehow have kept arguably the greatest story ever under wraps despite the fact selling it could make them millions upon millions?

Good logic... however how many knew exactly what the Manhattan Project was about, while they were building the first nuclear weapons?

Nope.


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Gee, it was light humor not ment to be taken seriously, but I guess you got that stick shoved so far up your ass that you didn't notice. However, the fact remains that Bush is a dolt. So:

You honestly believe that Bush is a mastermind of the biggest conspiracy ever?

Maybe you believe Cheney is behind it, yeah he's really good at covering up stuff...like that whole getting drunk and shooting his friend.

Maybe you believe Karl Rove is behind it, he did a wonderful job keeping out his name out of the press regarding the leaked CIA operatives name.

I also think the Bush administration did a great job keeping Gitmo out of the press, Abu Ghraib, and a number of other fuck-ups that happened along the way.

I'm glad you think so highly of Bush's mental capacity and the Republicans that they could pull off something so elaborate and how mentally challenged the Democrats must be for letting something that massive slip under their noses.

You're such a fucking tool, lol, use some of that "common sense" you were blathering about earlier and realize that there's no way in hell such a massive cover-up could be perpetrated by monkey boy or the christian choir he's got backing him.

btw, I have a bridge to sell you, it's in New York, slightly used, but I'll give you a special discount.

oh noes, politics

This was the "state of the union address" the mideast saw:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...94390378871865

:winkwink:

Here they claim he is "pre-senile dementia"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32664644484246

Of course this German TV report might have found the truth:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...88900154749704

lameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

It was the US government!

It says so here http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...37943386&q=911

if it's on Fox and on the Internet IT IS TRUE!

I CAN FLYYYYYYYYYYyyyy

http://www.wbur.org/photogallery/oag...d/images/3.jpg

yup, once again, when your nose is thoroughly rubbed in your idiocy, you stoop to playground tricks like changing my quotes.:1orglaugh
only the tinfoil hat crowd thinks Bin Laden wasn't responsible.

please, child, tell us, who in the government was responsible and why?
all the commonly held beliefs are wrong in your mind, there is no evidence (in your mind) so lets hear it. how was this all done by the government?:1orglaugh

yeah, when you push these wing nuts to explain their demented theory they go quiet.