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i have watched both versions...number two is better however these were just made for the semi casual observer i pay close attention to many news sources on the subject...if i had only seen loose change i wouldnt be giving this much attention..however i have watched viewed and studied alot more then one video made in someone basement |
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You have yet to explain how any of the key questions being asked are irrational. To me, just accepting someone's word on who committed these crimes is one of the most irrational things I've ever heard. "Oh, the government says it was Bin Laden? Then it's crazy to question that, despite the fact that they offer no proof he was involved or any explanation as to how they decided he was responsible". That sounds very irrational to me. I'm not a "conspiracy theorist" who thinks that a cruise missile hit the Pentagon and aliens destroyed the towers, I'm a New Yorker who was within jogging distance when it happened and I would like to see a public investigation, and those responsible held accountable. We deserve at least that much. Where's the evidence? So far they have offered us neither an investigation nor proof as to who was responsible. All they have offered us is endless war waged on an undefined enemy as our response. |
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bomb dogs are always in the WTC dude...ALWAYS...exceot right up to then planting explosives in the basement only helped the cause..it was the explosives planted through out the building that did it in |
wow, people are still debating this? lets move onto something else already...
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WTC collapses = controlled demolition is irrational. Why? Because there is absolutely no evidence to support such a theory but lots of evidence to the contrary. |
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Dollarmansteve, maybe you missed my post on the last page. Could you please show me your source on the debunking of the confession video?
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So I would then assume there were explosives all the way up the building? Explosives strong enough to do structural damage too ... so where exactly were they hiding? How did they get them up there, planted, and covered up so that nobody knew or saw anything? Hey, this isn't like bringing a tray of sandwiches up to the 83rd for Sally's birthday party - this is detonation experts carting thousands of pounds up a very big building and then concealing them until the fateful day. But beyond all the riff-raff about dogs, bombs, witnesses, etc. etc. I'm still confused how not one person responsible has come forward? If it was a giant conspiracy, hundreds of people at least were in on it. And at least a few of them must feel awfully bad about what happened ... yet, nothing... Okay, I'm back to work! |
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Not until the truth is revealed, looks like were gettin close:winkwink: |
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Looks just like the hotels in Las Vegas when they fall straight down. How can a building fall, that fast, straight down from a few fires? http://killtown.911review.org/video/...ollapse_sm.gif Larry Silverstein, the WTC leaseholder, said he decided that the smartest thing to do to the WTC 7 was to "pull it" when a NYFD commander told him that he wasn't sure they were going to be able to contain the fire in the building and said after they made the decision to "pull" the WTC 7, they "watched the building collapse." The term "pull" was used to describe the demolition of the WTC 6 days later. http://killtown.911review.org/images...rstein_pbs.jpg https://youtube.com/watch?v=6_Xs0Lb-Wqc&search=wtc7 |
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How the buildings came down is not my main concern. I'm not an engineer or a physics expert. To me the main issue is who is responsible. At this point nothing is proven, so you are right, it is irrational to say with certainty that explosives were used. However it is also irrational to say with certainty that explosives were not used. I disagree that is irrational to question how they came down. I have heard engineers claim that explosives were used. I have also not seen concrete evidence to the contrary, as you claim to have. Either way, to me this is a secondary point. I think the public should be demanding an investigation and beyond a reasonable doubt evidence that Bin Laden and co were behind the attacks. It's already three wars too late, but we're still owed that much. Until then, I can't rationally find reason to rule out the possibility that, if not directly involved, the government is covering up the truth about this tragedy. I don't see how any reasonable person can accept the government's claims until they are proven. To me it's like a kid accepting their mother telling them that if they make funny faces, their face will stay that way. We just believe it because that's what we're trained to do. |
I think Monkeys did it. Fucking Monkeys
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Yeah, the defining point in 21st century American history, the basis for our policy of endless war for the next 50+ years, the basis for the restriction of our civil rights and freedoms... let's just forget about it and move on to talking about what song is at the top of the charts. You know, the important things in life. I think I like your post bot better. |
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Extremely well said. "the defining point in 21st century American history" :thumbsup |
I didn't see the crashes, but I saw the buildings coming down. It was a perfectly (statistically improbable) symmetrical demolition job. I saw buildings taken down all my younger life - on movie sets, around the industrial area of town... if there was one charge off, the thing toppled dangerously, sideways... you have to be very precise and GOOD to get a building to fall down on itself so beautifully.
On top of it, like in any demolition, you could see the charges going off up and down in sequence, to weaken the lower levels progressively and give the least resisitance - and the least chance for out-of-control toppling - as it went straight down. My first thought was - they must have built it with those charges built in, in case something happened and their destruction with minimal surrounding damage and casualties was necessary. How anyone can look at that footage and think its NOT demolition is beyond me. |
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BTW, still no thank you for me educating you, you just continue to live on in ignorance. Number of Christian Jews in Israel Doubles to 10,000 In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves. Posted: Saturday, April 30 , 2005, 16:40 (BST) In Israel, the number of Christian Jews, known as Messianic Jews, has doubled in size to about 10,000 due to recent immigration waves, according to Messianic leaders and evangelism opponents. Eitan Shishkoff, the leader of a Messianic community in Haifa, located about 70 miles north of Jerusalem, says that there are roughly 10,000 members in 80 Messianic congregations around the country. The population is twice that of 1980?s, when significant numbers of immigrants from the former Soviet Union began entering the country, according to the Jerusalem Post. Shishkoff says that 70 percent of the members in his congregation of 270 are from the Soviet Union. In Israel, it is illegal for evangelism efforts to involve material benefits for prospective converts, according to the Jerusalem Post. Yad L?Achim, and "anti-missionary" organisation opposed to "proselytism" since 1950, says that the Russian-speakers are being approached because of their "weak ties to Judaism and poor socioeconomic status," and are being "bought" through material benefits, according to the Post. Shishkoff denies the allegation. "Maybe a few of our members first came in contact with us through the charity, but 98 percent of them didn?t ? make that 99.9 percent," he said. Francis Helguero Christian Today Correspondent |
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I haven't come across any "conspiracy theories" I'm comfortable with to date, but nor am I happy with the official line. My very first reaction after getting over the shock of seeing 911 "live" was to wonder who the heck was behind it. I have spent almost 40 years of my life studying the politics and people of the Middle East and while I can think of many groups who would approve of what happened on 911, I just cannot relate the planning and execution of those events with the arab character. Then there was the way that Al Quaida, formerly seen as a terrorist training camp no different from many others in North Africa and the Middle East was suddenly elevated to the status of global terror organization. There were all the obstacles that the White House put in the way of even official investigations. And above all, the hugely convenient coincidence that the group supposedly responsible for 911 was located in Afghanistan, a country which in April blew off our pipeline negoatiations and was the intended target of the forces we had been collecting in the Mediterranean since summer. Cynical as I am, I cannot bring myself to believe our government was actually involved in 911 and I tend to think the reported cock-ups were just that. However, given the dishonesty with which GW later manipulated (and continues to manipulate) public opinion over Iraq, I have no trouble believing that Bin Laden might have been blamed simply because that was a way to get Bush the public support he needed to invade Afghanistan. |
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Its too bad that the sheep dont stop going bah bah and open their wooly eyes. BTW, I am not a structual engineer. But I do know a professor that is one and he let me know exactly how that building came down. No explosives, sorry. Save that shit for television. |
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I am here to publicly admit that I planted the bomb on the 34th floor on July 7th, 2001.
-- I look at this stuff the same way I look at God, Heaven, and Hell. Its quite simple: I don't know. Who does really know? My dad, your dad, the Pakastani that gives me Slurpees every morning at 7/11? I always have to wonder about somebody that can raise their hand and say "I know the 100% truth"... how? We still don't know exactly how Kennedy was killed and yet we have people claiming they know exactly what happened on September 11th, 2001 in New York and Washington D.C. The only thing that I know 100% about September 11th, 2001 is that it is a day I will never forget. Yappo. |
Everyone should occasionaly watch a 9/11 collapse conspiracy video; not because there is any truth there, and not just because they are funny as hell in the way they try much too hard, but because it will boost your confidence in your ability to see through bullshit, even loads of slickly-produced bullshit vaguely disguised as pseudo-engineering.
This one is great: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...56561589268281 The narrator's attempt to sound credible and somewhat like a professional narrator is hilarious. |
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hmm sorry if i was to trust the opinion of someone i think logically you would trust someone who has tested steel thousands and thousand of times over someone who hasn't tested steel integrity.. but hey thats just me.. guess im just silly that way |
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anyone who couldnt see through 98% of michael moore's bullshit is an idiot.. but its the 2% left over that scares me .. |
Its so disgusting that people here still believe the government story about 9/11.
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all you have to do is look at the very first transcript of this video of this thread to know its misleading.. the very first recording is of a firefighter telling the dispatcher that witness's told him they saw several explosions on floor 7 , 8 , 9 is what the transcript says , but anyone familiar with police/fire knows he meant floor 78 as in seven eight , meaning 78 not floor 7 , but of course explosions on floor 7 and 8 sound alot more intriguing
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most of the firedept transcript were misleading infact , its clear several of the "explosions" they are talking about are the building collapsing , but its misconstrued as being "bombs" and several make it seem like they are in the building when infacts its firefighters in one building hearing the collaps of the other building.
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Dylan Avery is not a credible news source but he sure can make one hell of a movie. |
forget all the details forget all the theoretical arguments and instead focus on the following three facts that are so insanely impossible yet happened..
#1 george bush's brother was head of security and his last day on the job was sept 11 , but he took his last day off. #2 the fbi head of counter terrorism , the leading fbi expert on al queda , just happened to be the guy taking over the head of security at 9/11 , it was his first day on the job and he died in the attacks. #3 a former pentagon official part of a taskforce defending the pentagon against attacks and who had done many flight simulations of terrorists flying planes into the pentagon , quit his job to become and airline pilot , and what do you know he happens to be the pilot that fly's into the pentagon.. thats some strange shit right there.. i have a few other strange tidbits too , but those are the most intriguing in my opinion .. oh and wtc7 , seems pretty obvious they pulled it , but the fact they wont admit it is very strange , the owner was on t.v. saying they made the decision to pull the building because it was too damaged , and its not such an illogical decision if thats what they did , it prob was too damaged considering what was around it , the best option would be rebuild it.. but then why not say that.. |
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However, in 1998 the great Osama bin Laden issued a fatwa against the United States, for various reasons, declaring war. ObL was added to the FBI's Ten Most Wanted Fugitives List in 1999, and it wasn't because he had a funny looking beard. He has been linked to several United States Embassy bombings throughout Africa, the bombing of the USS Cole. The guy is no saint. Even if he wasn't "really" behind 9/11, he sure wishes he was. Yappo. |
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Michael Moore is right in that conservatives are ruining America by turning it into a society where it's every man, woman and child for themselves - that's not a conspiracy theory - it's the truth. Don't hijack my point to serve the truly evil, conservative agenda. |
may i ask why the governement would want to blow up the towers? i dont see the point!!!!!!!!!!! to invade afghan..? why bin laden even took responsibilty????????? to invade iraq????????? they are not even making a profit out of those two.
sure i am always liberal to believe in huge conspiricies but can someone with knowledge tell me why they would destroy a countries finest buildings and all the wizz's in there plus the pentagon. i dont understand |
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the movie brought up many good points , but it brought up many more easily disputed but sensational mistruths/lies some were misleading some were just lies. |
I swear to Christ that no matter the evindence, you'll still get these conspiracy idiots beliving in some nefarious plot, they're not worth arguing with, it's like arguing with Christians about Evolution, they don't understand critical thinking and scientific inquiry, they have their minds made up before viewing evidence and nothing on the planet is going to sway them.
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the movie brought up many good points , but it brought up many more easily disputed but sensational mistruths/lies some were misleading some were just lies. |
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those buildings contained masive amounts of data on the Bush family and his criminal buddies...especially WTC 7 they not only needed the excuse to go to war..they needed a way to get all t hose documents out of those buildings |
Still around, dollarmansteve?
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Actually I would love to know the truth with absolute certainty, as you claim to. Nothing would make me sleep better at night than knowing for sure who was behind what happened. I didn't start with a predisposition that someone besides Bin Laden was involved. The actions of our government and the reluctance to investigate, combined with the fake tape, and several other factors, have brought me to the conclusion that what we are being taught as irrefutable fact (Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11), is simply not true. Either our government knows who did it and does not want us to know, or they do not know with any certainty. They have no provided any evidence to the contrary besides false confession tapes that contradict Bin Laden's own earlier statements that he was not involved. Quote:
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