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Tuga · 08-05-2006, 03:18 AM

12 days ago I designed 4 gallery templates for a new sponsor. I talked to the account rep and delivered the files in 2 days like he asked.

I was stupid and delivered the files before I got the payment

I asked him to send me the $100 epassporte asap because I was realy needing that money. He said ok.

A couple of days later, no money, I asked him again. He said he would ask his boss to send it. I waited.

A couple of days later, no money, I asked him again. He said he couldnt get his boss online but he was going to take care of it.

Another couple of days, no money, he said the accounting people were to blame. Then he asked me my name and address for the records. Payment should follow.

Another day and no money, he said he didnt know why, he was going to talk to some people and have them send the money.

Another couple of days and no money, he said accounting was being lazy, but today should be the day.

Another day and no money.... 10 days since I delivered the templates and I'm tired of having to beg for $100 that I earned!

I believe this rep is not fucking with me, I think he is pissed with the situation too. I dont want to make drama, I dont want to post his name or the company, BUT I DO WANT MY MONEY!

I went to the sponsor's site and my templates are already available in the promotion area.

One thing is for sure, I will never send the files before I get my money again!

So, what do I do now?

XMaster · 08-05-2006, 03:21 AM

who is it ?

gangbangjoe · 08-05-2006, 03:22 AM

threads asking if to start drama or not make baby jesus cry

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 08-05-2006, 03:26 AM

Quit dealing with the Rep and ask to speak to his Boss, or have him conference in his Boss on the call. Once you get him on the line, get the accounting people on the line too.

Next time get a 50% deposit up front and 50% on delivery with new clients.

ADG Webmaster

Tuga · 08-05-2006, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by XMaster

who is it ?

Do you think the best way to get paid is by giving you names? I dont know how to get my money, but that may not be the best way.

Moose · 08-05-2006, 03:27 AM

start it!!!!!!!!

gangbangjoe · 08-05-2006, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuga

Do you think the best way to get paid is by giving you names? I dont know how to get my money, but that may not be the best way.

but starting a thread on gfy about it without giving details is the best way?

XMaster · 08-05-2006, 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuga

Do you think the best way to get paid is by giving you names? I dont know how to get my money, but that may not be the best way.

ok as you want fellow ;) ...but it can't be a DRAMA without name

tenderobject · 08-05-2006, 03:30 AM

that sucks

i have someone owe me money for galleries for 8 months now. should i start a drama thread? lol no. i hope we could fix the problem though.. about sponsor not paying their orders on time is bullshite! although it might be ok if that sponsor was a long time client and has credibility. but i just hate keep on waiting for the hardwork you made.. goodluck

Stumps · 08-05-2006, 03:31 AM

hahahahahaha

get it out in the open

TexasDreams · 08-05-2006, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuga

I went to the sponsor's site and my templates are already available in the promotion area.

At this point, I wouldn't worry or believe what the rep uses as an excuse from the Boss, or accounting, or whatever. I would demand they take it down from the promotion area, and pay up with penalty fees. Or out them big-time. It sucks when the average worker gets screwed, I've been in that situation a number of times myself.

Tuga · 08-05-2006, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by gangbangjoe

but starting a thread on gfy about it without giving details is the best way?

This thread is about:

- asking for advice on how to handle this

and

- letting them know I am so tired of their bullshit I'm about to start the drama

So I would like to get some better advice or get my money and leave this behind. If that fails, all I can do is start a drama thread.

And there's always the chance that the people involved will get in here and say who they are and why they are stalling my payment.

fastfun · 08-05-2006, 03:40 AM

send the rep. a email with a link to this post

Tuga · 08-05-2006, 03:41 AM

What sucks big time is that I went back into template design because I needed the extra money, and all I got from them so far was the extra work.

Tuga · 08-05-2006, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastfun

send the rep. a email with a link to this post

Mail sent to support (I dont know who reads that) asking for payment for the templates and pointing to this thread.

aico · 08-05-2006, 03:46 AM

Just because this is adult, does not mean laws do not apply. Send them a cease and decist. Then take them to small claims court and get your money.

Tuga · 08-05-2006, 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico

Just because this is adult, does not mean laws do not apply. Send them a cease and decist. Then take them to small claims court and get your money.

Even if I was in the US (I'm in Portugal) , wouldnt that be too much trouble for $100 ? Even all the time I spent on ICQ and looking at my epass account 2x a day seems like too much trouble to me.

DutchTeenCash · 08-05-2006, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gangbangjoe

but starting a thread on gfy about it without giving details is the best way?

aico · 08-05-2006, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuga

Even if I was in the US (I'm in Portugal) , wouldnt that be too much trouble for $100 ? Even all the time I spent on ICQ and looking at my epass account 2x a day seems like too much trouble to me.

Most people who screw you over count on the fact that it is too much trouble for you to actually do anything about it...

Today $100, tomorrow $2,500.

s2kcord · 08-05-2006, 03:57 AM

I would just out them stright up. They have fucked you around for $100 Thats bullshit the rep should just pay it out of pocket if he knew how to do business right. Then he can talk to his boss about it. Please tell us the company if they don't pay up.

Tuga · 08-05-2006, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s2kcord

the rep should just pay it out of pocket if he knew how to do business right. Then he can talk to his boss about it.

Exactly what I would do if I was him.

I'll wait to see if they have the balls to come here and explain their side of the story.

darksoul · 08-05-2006, 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuga

I'll wait to see if they have the balls to come here and explain their side of the story.

why would they out themselfs ?
They wont come in here till you spill the beans.

darksoul · 08-05-2006, 04:07 AM

Even if they had an excuse, theres no excuse for bouncing you around
they could've just told you they're gonna pay in a month and thats it.
So, spill the beans.

L0rdJuni0r · 08-05-2006, 04:08 AM

give me $50k and i'll end the problem tongiht!

tenderobject · 08-05-2006, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico

Just because this is adult, does not mean laws do not apply. Send them a cease and decist. Then take them to small claims court and get your money.

is this possible if you are living outside the US? hmmm.. looks like a good idea. but how?

Kimo · 08-05-2006, 04:51 AM

id out them dude

Tuga · 08-05-2006, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimo

id out them dude

Send me $100 and I'll do that

DutchTeenCash · 08-05-2006, 05:48 AM

post the sponsor or shut up - posts like these are worthless

dakota1358 · 08-05-2006, 05:55 AM

I agree worthless unless you name names

blofer80 · 08-05-2006, 06:07 AM

name name name..

Tuga · 08-05-2006, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkx

post the sponsor or shut up - posts like these are worthless

It's not worthless if it makes them pay me, that's all I want, I dont give a fuck if you find this entertaining or not.

marcjacob · 08-05-2006, 06:18 AM

This is probably just slow accounting, accounts workers think they run the busines sometimes. For what its worth i hope you get the cash and think you are beeing professional by naming until youve given them a warning shot.

Now the warning shot is done, set a time limit and post it here, then let them know that. If they dont pay up you know what to do!

pradaboy · 08-05-2006, 06:39 AM

Sounds like they're screwing you around... I'd post the drama and let them deal with it.

pussyluver · 08-05-2006, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuga

Even if I was in the US (I'm in Portugal) , wouldnt that be too much trouble for $100 ? Even all the time I spent on ICQ and looking at my epass account 2x a day seems like too much trouble to me.

You're right. Besides I think the filing fee in our city is
$85. So now you're in for your time + the filing fee. Add the time to go to court. Say they don't show and you end up with a judgement? the courts here usually set another date and you have to come back anyway before you get your judgement. Now you have to collect on the judgement. Hard to do in some states here, esp for a small amount like $100.

Get half upfront. That way, the chance of someone getting screwed is reduced. You want the other half, so you'll finish the work. You at least have half for your efforts.

Since the amount is $100, I'd just out them and copy the thread link to the boss and the rep. In fact I'd start a new thread and make it short and to the point. Company X, contracted for artwork, I delivered and they didn't pay, here is a link to my efforts on their behalf.

I'd stop trying to extort what is rightly yours by threats.

Payment terms should always be understood upfront. That can be done in ICQ for small stuff like this. If you're needing money to live on a $100 is a lot.

I can't speak for choker, but bet he'd be all over someones ass if they cheated him out of $100. I think I've seen him bitch on this board for lesser dollar amount.

Also welcome to the real world. I've been screwed over in mainstream and adult transactions. I rack it up to lessons learned. Sometimes expensive lessons learned.

You can win moral victories and feel better sometimes by outing them or causing them grief. In the end, it is all about the money.

Best to ya on this one.

BTW outing them helps the rest of us. If there is another side to the story, Company x can always come to the board and explain themselves.

Juilan · 08-05-2006, 06:41 AM

Out them here, it's time.

MyNameIsNobody · 08-05-2006, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pussyluver

BTW outing them helps the rest of us. If there is another side to the story, Company x can always come to the board and explain themselves.

What he said

Matiz · 08-05-2006, 06:58 AM

post the name

Dagwolf · 08-05-2006, 07:11 AM

Reasons to name the company:
1. You might get paid
2. You might prevent other designers and webmasters from getting ripped off
3. Shady companies who don't pay on time might avoid you in the future

Reasons not to:
1. Reputable companies might avoid you in the future
2. You should be absolutely sure that it isn't just a mistake before causing possible damage to a company's reputation.
3. A drama thread which merely threatens to name the company might be enough.

Tuga · 08-05-2006, 07:20 AM

I am in Portugal, they are in the US, it's the weekend, so I see a lot of reasons to give them some time to open the mail or find this thread.

I waited 10 days before talking about it in public, so I can wait one more day before doing damage to them, and as Dagwolf said, probably doing some damage to myself.

Waiting for an answer to my email or this thread, trying to keep this as private as possible.

biftek · 08-05-2006, 07:28 AM

fuck beating around the bush , 10days is 9days too long to wait for payment , would they except the same delay if you were the one paying membership to there site ?

10 day delay is no mistake , the only excuse that could be used is sloppy accounting but that is hardly your problem

i would throw up the name and let them deal with the shit storm after it

pussyluver · 08-05-2006, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dagwolf

Reasons to name the company:
1. You might get paid
2. You might prevent other designers and webmasters from getting ripped off
3. Shady companies who don't pay on time might avoid you in the future

Reasons not to:
1. Reputable companies might avoid you in the future
2. You should be absolutely sure that it isn't just a mistake before causing possible damage to a company's reputation.
3. A drama thread which merely threatens to name the company might be enough.

Good reasonable post Dag.

But fuck it, this is GFY!! Out the MoFos.

A sample of his good work might overcome the negative of this thread?

I pay for art upfront or half down. Can't remember a time where I just accepted work with out some payment 1st.

Tuga · 08-07-2006, 04:58 AM

Ok, it's 12 days now and still no payment, the weekend is over so today is my deadline to fix this in private.

I got an ICQ message yesterday from the rep offering $30 from is personal epass to make up for the delay. That's nice of him and it's a start, BUT I still dont see those $30 in my account and getting $30 to shut up now when I was really needing my $100 12 days ago is not the same thing.

Anyway, pay me the $100 today, send me an extra $30 if you feel you owe me that, whatever... but do pay me today.

Brujah · 08-07-2006, 05:01 AM

Just out them.. who's the deadbeat sponsor using your templates while you sit on 12 days and no pay yet?

Tuga · 08-07-2006, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah

Just out them.. who's the deadbeat sponsor using your templates while you sit on 12 days and no pay yet?

I will do that today if they dont pay for sure, they could be away during the weekend, so I'll wait a few more hours.

DutchTeenCash · 08-07-2006, 05:08 AM

what a lame ass thread

you shouldve posted the name ages ago

DutchTeenCash · 08-07-2006, 08:00 AM

just like I thought no sponsor

man I hate drama queens

Tuga · 08-07-2006, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thinkx

just like I thought no sponsor

man I hate drama queens

And I hate miserable losers that still stalk me because of lame excuse of a football team that Portugal kicked out of Euro 04 and World Cup 06. Get over it loser, find another sport where you can win sometimes. Idiot.

en21 · 08-07-2006, 08:09 AM

what drama?

Tuga · 08-07-2006, 08:10 AM

Coming soon, enough waiting.

TheLegacy · 08-07-2006, 08:11 AM

Its the principle that matters here NOW - not the money.

my wife does design work and for some pretty big names here and hasn't gotten paid.

The idea is that you may be offshore and so not important enough for them to consider you will do any damage to their reputation. YOUR NOT GETTING THE MONEY - face it.

Being a nice guy doesn't pay the bills here - and you have given them enough warnings - simply state - you have had 12 days to pay including interest... I have started a thread regarding this and there are many who are waiting to hear - I am sorry it has come to this but ignoring your responsibilities to paying your clients either shows you do NOT have 100$ in your account which webmasters need to know your about bankrupt - OR - you treat the little guys like shit and that smaller webmasters and future designers will face the same fate.

08-05-2006, 03:18 AM	#1
Tuga Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal Posts: 7,678	Should I start the drama now? 12 days ago I designed 4 gallery templates for a new sponsor. I talked to the account rep and delivered the files in 2 days like he asked. I was stupid and delivered the files before I got the payment I asked him to send me the $100 epassporte asap because I was realy needing that money. He said ok. A couple of days later, no money, I asked him again. He said he would ask his boss to send it. I waited. A couple of days later, no money, I asked him again. He said he couldnt get his boss online but he was going to take care of it. Another couple of days, no money, he said the accounting people were to blame. Then he asked me my name and address for the records. Payment should follow. Another day and no money, he said he didnt know why, he was going to talk to some people and have them send the money. Another couple of days and no money, he said accounting was being lazy, but today should be the day. Another day and no money.... 10 days since I delivered the templates and I'm tired of having to beg for $100 that I earned! I believe this rep is not fucking with me, I think he is pissed with the situation too. I dont want to make drama, I dont want to post his name or the company, BUT I DO WANT MY MONEY! I went to the sponsor's site and my templates are already available in the promotion area. One thing is for sure, I will never send the files before I get my money again! So, what do I do now? __________________ Go Fuck Yourself! ICQ 101411627

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08-05-2006, 03:30 AM	#9
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08-05-2006, 03:46 AM	#16
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	Just because this is adult, does not mean laws do not apply. Send them a cease and decist. Then take them to small claims court and get your money.

08-05-2006, 03:57 AM	#20
s2kcord Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 581	I would just out them stright up. They have fucked you around for $100 Thats bullshit the rep should just pay it out of pocket if he knew how to do business right. Then he can talk to his boss about it. Please tell us the company if they don't pay up.

08-05-2006, 04:07 AM	#23
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08-05-2006, 06:18 AM	#32
marcjacob Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: England Posts: 1,063	This is probably just slow accounting, accounts workers think they run the busines sometimes. For what its worth i hope you get the cash and think you are beeing professional by naming until youve given them a warning shot. Now the warning shot is done, set a time limit and post it here, then let them know that. If they dont pay up you know what to do!

08-05-2006, 06:39 AM	#33
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08-05-2006, 07:11 AM	#38
Dagwolf President of Canada Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leaving Hell, Entering Limbo Posts: 23,141	Reasons to name the company: 1. You might get paid 2. You might prevent other designers and webmasters from getting ripped off 3. Shady companies who don't pay on time might avoid you in the future Reasons not to: 1. Reputable companies might avoid you in the future 2. You should be absolutely sure that it isn't just a mistake before causing possible damage to a company's reputation. 3. A drama thread which merely threatens to name the company might be enough. __________________ Sleep well, and dream of large women.

08-05-2006, 07:20 AM	#39
Tuga Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal Posts: 7,678	I am in Portugal, they are in the US, it's the weekend, so I see a lot of reasons to give them some time to open the mail or find this thread. I waited 10 days before talking about it in public, so I can wait one more day before doing damage to them, and as Dagwolf said, probably doing some damage to myself. Waiting for an answer to my email or this thread, trying to keep this as private as possible. __________________ Go Fuck Yourself! ICQ 101411627

08-05-2006, 07:28 AM	#40
biftek So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 1,030	fuck beating around the bush , 10days is 9days too long to wait for payment , would they except the same delay if you were the one paying membership to there site ? 10 day delay is no mistake , the only excuse that could be used is sloppy accounting but that is hardly your problem i would throw up the name and let them deal with the shit storm after it

08-07-2006, 04:58 AM	#42
Tuga Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal Posts: 7,678	Ok, it's 12 days now and still no payment, the weekend is over so today is my deadline to fix this in private. I got an ICQ message yesterday from the rep offering $30 from is personal epass to make up for the delay. That's nice of him and it's a start, BUT I still dont see those $30 in my account and getting $30 to shut up now when I was really needing my $100 12 days ago is not the same thing. Anyway, pay me the $100 today, send me an extra $30 if you feel you owe me that, whatever... but do pay me today. __________________ Go Fuck Yourself! ICQ 101411627

08-07-2006, 05:01 AM	#43
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08-07-2006, 08:10 AM	#49
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08-07-2006, 08:11 AM	#50
TheLegacy SEO Connoisseur Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario Posts: 17,079	Its the principle that matters here NOW - not the money. my wife does design work and for some pretty big names here and hasn't gotten paid. The idea is that you may be offshore and so not important enough for them to consider you will do any damage to their reputation. YOUR NOT GETTING THE MONEY - face it. Being a nice guy doesn't pay the bills here - and you have given them enough warnings - simply state - you have had 12 days to pay including interest... I have started a thread regarding this and there are many who are waiting to hear - I am sorry it has come to this but ignoring your responsibilities to paying your clients either shows you do NOT have 100$ in your account which webmasters need to know your about bankrupt - OR - you treat the little guys like shit and that smaller webmasters and future designers will face the same fate. __________________ SEO Connoisseur Microsoft Teams: Robert Warren SEO Telegram: @TheLegacy54 RobertWarrenSEO.com