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KRosh · 07-28-2006, 08:02 PM

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read it again!

http://www.xbiznews.com/news_piece.p...ring=jj%20ruch

BETHLEHEM, Pa. ? Amateur gay producer Sebastian Sloane Productions was the target of a second investigation over 2257 records that apparently is spreading nationwide.

Sole proprietor JJ Ruch told XBIZ that four FBI agents Friday morning arrived at his two-story Bethlehem house, where he also operates his business.

?They arrived in a big black SUV with government license plates, got out of the car and knocked at the door,? Ruch said. ?Once I opened the door, they moved forward inside and said, ?We?ll do the search ourselves.?

Agents searched his home office, as well as other parts of his home including closets and kitchen cupboards and a basement, for nearly four and one-half hours. Ruch said that they even looked through his video camera viewfinder in their search for images of underage models.

?They took photos of all of the model releases with a small electronic device,? said Ruch, who noted that he has had 136 models working for his company in its 1-year existence.

Ruch, who started Sebastian Sloane Productions last year in San Diego, Calif., and later moved his operation to Bethlehem, has produced eight videos, with an additional 28 in the editing phase. His company, which films bareback and safe-sex scenes, also distributes content on 124 sites.

The investigation of Sebastian Sloane Productions is the second in a week over 18 U.S.C. §2257. The FBI visited the Chatsworth, Calif., office of Diabolic Video on Monday to check their records.

Diabolic reportedly passed its inspection, and Ruch said agents told him he passed their probe for tidy records and images of underage models as well.

?My model-release form is quite lengthy ? 18 pages, in fact,? Ruch said. ?Before I started my business, I consulted with an attorney on what kind of release I should use.

?I?ve always kept the books in line just because of the possibilities of an investigation like this. The agents said they?ve compiled two years worth of research on the adult industry, using Whois and reviewing video-on-demand sites to see who's producing what.?

Ruch said agents told him that there are 16 FBI four-member teams nationwide that are searching adult producers and secondary producers.

?It is kind of intimidating when they?re four of them at your door,? he said. ?They?re quite demanding, and they stood their ground.?

MaddCaz · 07-28-2006, 08:05 PM

Feds ON it eh????

Jimmy The Juggernaut · 07-28-2006, 08:20 PM

fuck feds

i keep a glock for the coppers

tony286 · 07-28-2006, 08:23 PM

well it had to happen, its good its going well so far

flashfire · 07-28-2006, 08:25 PM

you guys are commies

american pervert · 07-28-2006, 08:25 PM

they are coming after you next

Worldnet · 07-28-2006, 08:31 PM

(((Agents searched his home office, as well as other parts of his home including closets and kitchen cupboards and a basement, for nearly four and one-half hours.)))

Oh great! This should be fun! Tearing my house apart, ramsacking the place.

CaptainHowdy · 07-28-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by american pervert

they are coming after you next

...

xclusive · 07-28-2006, 08:35 PM

Should be an interesting few weeks thats for sure.

knightdown · 07-28-2006, 08:36 PM

Did they have a search warrant?

GoodGuy · 07-28-2006, 08:39 PM

It must be hard to live in USA and be a webmaster nowadays.

he-fox · 07-28-2006, 08:42 PM

Motherfucking Gestapo

Bansheelinks · 07-28-2006, 08:45 PM

smells like fascism.

Spunky · 07-28-2006, 08:48 PM

Pot smoking pinko tree huggers

Centurion · 07-28-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

well it had to happen, its good its going well so far

I SO hope you are being sarcastic!

notabook · 07-28-2006, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KRosh

Agents searched his home office, as well as other parts of his home including closets and kitchen cupboards and a basement, for nearly four and one-half hours. Ruch said that they even looked through his video camera viewfinder in their search for images of underage models.

HOLY SHIT! I need to go move my hidden porn collection from underneath the Oreos! Fucking feds think of EVERYWHERE to look.

RawAlex · 07-28-2006, 10:09 PM

Interestingly the search of the area outside of the office without a warrant might be, umm, reaching.

Kimo · 07-28-2006, 10:19 PM

thank god they passed

Fetish · 07-28-2006, 10:45 PM

The sky is falling^^^^^^^^

KRL · 07-28-2006, 10:56 PM

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The sky is falling^^^^^^^^

For some it already has, and fallen very hard.

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AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-28-2006, 11:01 PM

My understanding is that the scope of the inspection is supposed to be very narrow, and is to be focused solely on the 2257 records alone (not model releases, nor anything else).

I would ask the agents/inspectors to show me where in the 2257 law it indicates that they have a right to search anything besides the 2257 info that I am required to turn over to them for inspection, and if that can't show this to me (since it doesn;t exist), then I would respectfully decline their request to invade my privacy, my private property, and otherwise trample over my rights.

That is why it is important to keep your 2257 documents organized in one place and seperated from any other documents.

Try as the Governemnt might to erode our rights (instead of protect and preserve them), we still do have rights and should exercise them.

ADG Webmaster

RawAlex · 07-28-2006, 11:01 PM

KRL, Tom Gartman was the guy who ran forbiddenvideos.com, sell rape, attack, and extreme forced bondage with rape and injury. He was a notorious news group spammer (up to 10,000 spams per day) and was investigated by postal authorties for sending his stuff through the mail.

I pee on his grave, little fucker made his money off selling the misery of others, and deserves every fucking second he gets in jail, sick fuck.

Shags · 07-28-2006, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

My understanding is that the scope of the inspection is supposed to be very narrow, and is to be focused solely on the 2257 records alone (not model releases, nor anything else).

I would ask the agents/inspectors to show me where in the 2257 law it indicates that they have a right to search anything besides the 2257 info that I am required to turn over to them for inspection, and if that can't show this to me (since it doesn;t exist), then I would respectfully decline their request to invade my privacy, my private property, and otherwise trample over my rights.

That is why it is important to keep your 2257 documents organized in one place and seperated from any other documents.

Try as the Governemnt might to erode our rights (instead of protect and preserve them), we still do have rights and should exercise them.

ADG Webmaster

JJ Ruch posted this on gaywebmasters.com:

"I wasn't going to let them go through anything with out some sort of warrant to search. They had shown me a search warrant for a search and seize of the property. They said this is a standard investigation that they're doing it with all companies that produce pornographic materials."

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-29-2006, 12:17 AM

This is from the text of the law...

Quote:

(2) Upon commencing an inspection, the investigator shall:

(i) Present his or her credentials to the owner, operator, or agent in charge of the establishment;

(ii) Explain the nature and purpose of the inspection, including the limited nature of the records inspection, and the records required to be kept by the Act and this part; and

(iii) Indicate the scope of the specific inspection and the records that he or she wishes to inspect.

(3) The inspections shall be conducted so as not to unreasonably disrupt the operations of the producer's establishment.

(4) At the conclusion of an inspection, the investigator may informally advise the producer of any apparent violations disclosed by the inspection. The producer may bring to the attention of the investigator any pertinent information regarding the records inspected or any other relevant matter.

It sounds like they went beyond the scope defined by the law, unless their warrant granted more than a simple 2257 inspection. He should have been able to obtain or make a copy of the warrant, since it should have spelled out what the grounds were for searching his entire premises, and not just inspecting and copying his 2257 records.

There may be more to his case than simply 2257 compliance...

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Pete-KT · 07-31-2006, 07:30 AM

Good work

Mayor · 07-31-2006, 07:37 AM

Pete-KT, you might want to fine tune your bot. It's making you look like a retard.

Pete-KT · 07-31-2006, 07:49 AM

See Sig

TheLegacy · 07-31-2006, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

This is from the text of the law...

It sounds like they went beyond the scope defined by the law, unless their warrant granted more than a simple 2257 inspection. He should have been able to obtain or make a copy of the warrant, since it should have spelled out what the grounds were for searching his entire premises, and not just inspecting and copying his 2257 records.

There may be more to his case than simply 2257 compliance...

ADG Webmaster

your assuming he knew what his rights were - they needed to inform him but apparently just went into every corner of his place at their whim. Thankfully he is clear as is diabolic - still - goes to show that government officials see us all as CP workers hiding something

Pleasurepays · 07-31-2006, 08:20 AM

"records inspection" does not = "fbi investigation"

xbiz has to be the worst news source ever

obviously something more was going on or they would not have obtained a warrant to search his home.

cyberstar · 07-31-2006, 08:38 AM

how anyone can make porn in US any more??? If you think that by keeping your records "in order" you are guaranteed not to go to jail, you are fooling yourself. Your government gives NO guarantees... it does whatever the fuck it wants.

Phoenix · 07-31-2006, 08:45 AM

16 four member teams

that is 64 salaries to chase down legit biz operations...nice

tony286 · 07-31-2006, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phoenix

16 four member teams

that is 64 salaries to chase down legit biz operations...nice

I have doubt that number there are 16 teams running around and only 2 inspections the first week?

E$_manager · 07-31-2006, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberstar

how anyone can make porn in US any more??? If you think that by keeping your records "in order" you are guaranteed not to go to jail, you are fooling yourself. Your government gives NO guarantees... it does whatever the fuck it wants.

that is true. Never know what for you may get to jail or get the penalty.

Jman · 07-31-2006, 09:55 AM

Looking in kitchen cupboards and closet... Yeah right they are ONLY looking for porn...

LMAO they all know that there is illegal substance used by a lot of people in this industry.

So my question is, If they find let's say couple of 8balls of blow or weed, can they arrest you on the spot?

(forgive me for my ignorance on this subject, I am french canadian

)

thonglife · 07-31-2006, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMan

So my question is, If they find let's say couple of 8balls of blow or weed, can they arrest you on the spot?

(forgive me for my ignorance on this subject, I am french canadian

)

Yup... After they pocket their take for after-hours.

d00t · 07-31-2006, 11:54 AM

if you let them do it - it's legal.

Mr. Soul · 07-31-2006, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMan

Looking in kitchen cupboards and closet... Yeah right they are ONLY looking for porn...

LMAO they all know that there is illegal substance used by a lot of people in this industry.

So my question is, If they find let's say couple of 8balls of blow or weed, can they arrest you on the spot?

(forgive me for my ignorance on this subject, I am french canadian

)

Yes, they would immedietly. Our consitution says that searches can only be performed with warrents, and that the warrents must detail exactly what they're looking for and they can only use the search in relation to what is listed in the warrent, but, our consitution is pretty much just for show at this point. If they found one gram of cocaine that dude would be in jail for years.

seeric · 07-31-2006, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

"records inspection" does not = "fbi investigation"

xbiz has to be the worst news source ever

obviously something more was going on or they would not have obtained a warrant to search his home.

they don't need a warrant to search if he consented to the search.

RawAlex · 07-31-2006, 03:36 PM

If you have nothing to hide, allowing them to search the rest of your house isn't an issue - except that without a warrant, they really shouldn't be able to do it... unless he has used the rest of the house as a set for his shoots, which would make it hard to tell home from office. Another amazingly good reason to have an actual office rather than a home office.

Pleasurepays · 07-31-2006, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A1R3K

they don't need a warrant to search if he consented to the search.

he said they had a warrant to search and seize property. i'm no law student or lawyer, but i believe that means they had to go to the judge and make a case for getting a warrant and demonstrate good cause... and the judge had to agree.

samebb · 07-31-2006, 03:40 PM

They wouldnt want to go through my fucking cuboards. Not even id dare to do that one.

tahiti · 07-31-2006, 03:57 PM

US is getting really fucked up those days...

tahiti · 07-31-2006, 03:57 PM

X2 post...

X2 fucked ;-)

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KRosh So Fucking Outlawed Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5,114	FBI investigates - Day 2 .. Was this posted already? if yes..who cares read it again! http://www.xbiznews.com/news_piece.p...ring=jj%20ruch BETHLEHEM, Pa. ? Amateur gay producer Sebastian Sloane Productions was the target of a second investigation over 2257 records that apparently is spreading nationwide. Sole proprietor JJ Ruch told XBIZ that four FBI agents Friday morning arrived at his two-story Bethlehem house, where he also operates his business. ?They arrived in a big black SUV with government license plates, got out of the car and knocked at the door,? Ruch said. ?Once I opened the door, they moved forward inside and said, ?We?ll do the search ourselves.? Agents searched his home office, as well as other parts of his home including closets and kitchen cupboards and a basement, for nearly four and one-half hours. Ruch said that they even looked through his video camera viewfinder in their search for images of underage models. ?They took photos of all of the model releases with a small electronic device,? said Ruch, who noted that he has had 136 models working for his company in its 1-year existence. Ruch, who started Sebastian Sloane Productions last year in San Diego, Calif., and later moved his operation to Bethlehem, has produced eight videos, with an additional 28 in the editing phase. His company, which films bareback and safe-sex scenes, also distributes content on 124 sites. The investigation of Sebastian Sloane Productions is the second in a week over 18 U.S.C. §2257. The FBI visited the Chatsworth, Calif., office of Diabolic Video on Monday to check their records. Diabolic reportedly passed its inspection, and Ruch said agents told him he passed their probe for tidy records and images of underage models as well. ?My model-release form is quite lengthy ? 18 pages, in fact,? Ruch said. ?Before I started my business, I consulted with an attorney on what kind of release I should use. ?I?ve always kept the books in line just because of the possibilities of an investigation like this. The agents said they?ve compiled two years worth of research on the adult industry, using Whois and reviewing video-on-demand sites to see who's producing what.? Ruch said agents told him that there are 16 FBI four-member teams nationwide that are searching adult producers and secondary producers. ?It is kind of intimidating when they?re four of them at your door,? he said. ?They?re quite demanding, and they stood their ground.? __________________ ICQ 115433750

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