NATS is great, but isn't there a simpler program? - GoFuckYourself.com

Naughty · 07-25-2006, 06:35 AM

We have been busy with a program for over two years now and part of the reason we never finished is 1.) SiteDepth sucks, and 2.) NATS is like rocket sience;-)

I mean, I am no dummy, but taking a couple of courses on the phone to be able to understand it is not really high up my agenda.

For another program we have written our own stuff and it works great, but I am no programmer so I am sure it could be much nicer, better and packet with more options, without being so damn difficult.

Am I right, or is this a typical case of practise makes perfect?

DEA - banned for life · 07-25-2006, 06:36 AM

.......nope

Naughty · 07-25-2006, 07:13 AM

lol, sure there is.

candyflip · 07-25-2006, 07:15 AM

aWiz has affiliate management software.

http://am.awizsoft.com/

crockett · 07-25-2006, 07:21 AM

What is the program that so many of the ccbill sponsors use?

like these for example

http://www.FelixFlow.com
http://www.CheeseFrogFlow.com

Seems like a simple enough script.

Violetta · 07-25-2006, 07:23 AM

whats wrong with sitedepth? I have been thinking of getting it for my sites

TMM_John · 07-25-2006, 07:24 AM

I wouldn't call it a couple of "courses on the phone to understand it". Some people get it installed and use it without ever asking a question. Others need help above and beyond the training. The training is offered to give value to the product and make sure those using it know how to use it. I don't get how people see that as a bad thing.

If you can't spend 4-5 hours of your time to learn more about how the software powering your business works what are you spending that time on thats more valuable?

The training isn't provided becuase the software is sooo complex and soooo hard to understand as a certain competitor of ours seems to like to tell people. It is provided to make sure you know what you're doing and what you can do with it.

Pete-KT · 07-25-2006, 07:24 AM

Never had a problem with Nats, there always there to help also

candyflip · 07-25-2006, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

What is the program that so many of the ccbill sponsors use?

like these for example

http://www.FelixFlow.com
http://www.CheeseFrogFlow.com

Seems like a simple enough script.

That's an answer I'm interested in as well.

fris · 07-25-2006, 07:27 AM

nats is easy, and i know a person who does installs for people. not sure if he still does it.

justsexxx · 07-25-2006, 07:28 AM

NATS = for billing stats etc
SITEDEPTH= CMS....

?

The Ghost · 07-25-2006, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justsexxx

NATS = for billing stats etc
SITEDEPTH= CMS....

?

That was going to be my statement. NATS and SiteDepth are for two different purposes.

Nats = Affiliate management software (stats, billing, links, promo material)

SiteDepth = Content (Your sites photos and videos) management software

I can see how anything can be intimidating if you don't know anything about it. But after the traiining for NATS by TMM you'll feel much more comfortable. You can also reference http://kb.toomuchmedia.com.

One thing that will help is having someone good integrate the Nats templates with your affiliate program design. Let me know if you need someone. I can recommend a couple of good people who can help.

DutchTeenCash · 07-25-2006, 07:39 AM

nothing wrong with sitedepth, esp the 4.0 version is very comfy, BUT its not a billing backend like everyone else here already posted.

Tanker · 07-25-2006, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockatansky

whats wrong with sitedepth? I have been thinking of getting it for my sites

its a CMS not a Affiliate Management system

Tanker · 07-25-2006, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

I wouldn't call it a couple of "courses on the phone to understand it". Some people get it installed and use it without ever asking a question. Others need help above and beyond the training. The training is offered to give value to the product and make sure those using it know how to use it. I don't get how people see that as a bad thing.

If you can't spend 4-5 hours of your time to learn more about how the software powering your business works what are you spending that time on thats more valuable?

The training isn't provided becuase the software is sooo complex and soooo hard to understand as a certain competitor of ours seems to like to tell people. It is provided to make sure you know what you're doing and what you can do with it.

I totally agree with you John shit you also need some good book keeping software to run your business and I think that will take longer to figure out then NATS.

NATS if you choose to use it will be the core of your business and all the transactions that take place. NATS can soo much and with out the training you just wont learn about all its features and capabilities.

If you dont want to do cascade billing, geo targeted join pages, advanced member management and all kinds of other great things that make your business grow then I wouldnt go with nats I would just used CCbill or Epochs standard software.

Without it you can still be successfull but with it you will achieve so much more

crazies · 07-25-2006, 07:59 AM

NATS rocks and if you spend some time understanding all of the information that it provides, you will be more than happy that you did. I am no Rocket Scientist when it comes to using programs and after taking the time to fully understand Nats functions I was very glad that I did. Also Nats allows you more than enough tickets to ask all of the questions you need and Valerie oh Valerie what a gem that girl is always taking the time to make sure you get the answers you need.

We are very happy with NATS especially their Support Team!

DutchTeenCash · 07-25-2006, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazies

NATS rocks and if you spend some time understanding all of the information that it provides, you will be more than happy that you did. I am no Rocket Scientist when it comes to using programs and after taking the time to fully understand Nats functions I was very glad that I did. Also Nats allows you more than enough tickets to ask all of the questions you need and Valerie oh Valerie what a gem that girl is always taking the time to make sure you get the answers you need.

We are very happy with NATS especially their Support Team!

offtopic : I totally love your program but can you pls change that RECIEVE?

Sorry grammar cop today

Brujah · 07-25-2006, 08:12 AM

What I'd like about NATS, is some built-in Shortcuts. An AdultElite example, which many other NATS driven sites are similiar..

Login, click Link Codes and presented with a typical NATS form.

Generate Link Codes for which? Make a choice..
- Go to Step 2
Choose Linking Point. Make a choice..
- Go to Step 3
Choose your Price Point. Make a choice..
- Go to Step 4
Designate Campaign. Enter something (optional)
- Generate Code Now.

All those fucking pages of choices just to get your link codes.

I'd like to click Link Codes, and immediately be presented with a list of links to use. If I want other options, -then- walk me through the interrogation process.

Let's get some Promo Tools now. Damn, NATS interview again.

Ok, so I click 'Browse Free Hosted Galleries'
Step 1 - Choose program
Step 2 - Choose link point
Step 3 - Choose price point
Step 4 - Designate campaign
Step 5 - Choose gallery type
Step 6 - Choose by site or niche
Step 7 - Choose sites
Step 8 - View online or download text file
Step 9 - Finally, we're presented with our gallery links.

So, I think some Shortcuts would be VERY useful instead of the typical NATS interrogation. I appreciate and enjoy the flexibility involved, but the process is lacking in my opinion.

crazies · 07-25-2006, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by thinkx

offtopic : I totally love your program but can you pls change that RECIEVE?

Sorry grammar cop today

Ahhh man and I am pretty anal about stuff like that. Thanks for pointing out the misspelling and we are correcting it now. I can't believe we didn't notice this earlier.

Naughty · 07-25-2006, 11:53 AM

John, I'm not saying NATS is not good or too complicated for everybody. I was just wondering if there was some like it, but stripped ;-)

And I know SiteDepth is something else entirely, it is just that when you have 200 Gb of content on the server to categorize, it isn't the best of CMS's.

Tdog · 07-25-2006, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett

What is the program that so many of the ccbill sponsors use?

like these for example

http://www.FelixFlow.com
http://www.CheeseFrogFlow.com

Seems like a simple enough script.

This is using the CCbill referral program. Its ccbils own program.

Nathan · 07-25-2006, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah

What I'd like about NATS, is some built-in Shortcuts. An AdultElite example, which many other NATS driven sites are similiar..

Login, click Link Codes and presented with a typical NATS form.

Generate Link Codes for which? Make a choice..
- Go to Step 2
Choose Linking Point. Make a choice..
- Go to Step 3
Choose your Price Point. Make a choice..
- Go to Step 4
Designate Campaign. Enter something (optional)
- Generate Code Now.

All those fucking pages of choices just to get your link codes.

I'd like to click Link Codes, and immediately be presented with a list of links to use. If I want other options, -then- walk me through the interrogation process.

Let's get some Promo Tools now. Damn, NATS interview again.

Ok, so I click 'Browse Free Hosted Galleries'
Step 1 - Choose program
Step 2 - Choose link point
Step 3 - Choose price point
Step 4 - Designate campaign
Step 5 - Choose gallery type
Step 6 - Choose by site or niche
Step 7 - Choose sites
Step 8 - View online or download text file
Step 9 - Finally, we're presented with our gallery links.

So, I think some Shortcuts would be VERY useful instead of the typical NATS interrogation. I appreciate and enjoy the flexibility involved, but the process is lacking in my opinion.

Both link codes and hosted galleries have different ways to be handled... actually hosted galleries is an extreme example since there are many ways of displaying them, its up to the program owner.

For link codes for example, any relatively new (newer than a few months) install simply has to go to the configuration page and check "SHOW_ALL_LINKCODES". This makes NATS dump all linkcode combinations instead of asking you to pick.

Its up to the program owner, the default skin coming with NATS is just a sample, many people do not change the inner workings because they feel the affiliates know it so why change it on them, they are comfortable with it.

In the end, they can make it look and ask whatever they want.

Trax · 07-25-2006, 12:10 PM

so what youre saying is: youre too stupid for nats?

07-25-2006, 12:14 PM

Naughty,
Taking the time to learn about your processing software is something any serious business owner should do. With NATS, you have all you need in 1 package... And as you exand, there are no growing pains to endure. Do yourself a favor and get NATS... you'll be happy you did!

Brujah · 07-25-2006, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

Both link codes and hosted galleries have different ways to be handled... actually hosted galleries is an extreme example since there are many ways of displaying them, its up to the program owner.

For link codes for example, any relatively new (newer than a few months) install simply has to go to the configuration page and check "SHOW_ALL_LINKCODES". This makes NATS dump all linkcode combinations instead of asking you to pick.

Its up to the program owner, the default skin coming with NATS is just a sample, many people do not change the inner workings because they feel the affiliates know it so why change it on them, they are comfortable with it.

In the end, they can make it look and ask whatever they want.

That would be great IMHO. The default process of clicking through 12 different pages before being presented with links is a bit much.

gooddomains · 07-28-2006, 11:05 AM

interesting thread

Just_Dave · 07-28-2006, 11:07 AM

hit up the guys at http://www.prodinix.com

DirtyDanza · 07-28-2006, 12:02 PM

nats is great if you need help let me know

07-25-2006, 06:35 AM	#1
Naughty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Utopia Posts: 6,482	NATS is great, but isn't there a simpler program? We have been busy with a program for over two years now and part of the reason we never finished is 1.) SiteDepth sucks, and 2.) NATS is like rocket sience;-) I mean, I am no dummy, but taking a couple of courses on the phone to be able to understand it is not really high up my agenda. For another program we have written our own stuff and it works great, but I am no programmer so I am sure it could be much nicer, better and packet with more options, without being so damn difficult. Am I right, or is this a typical case of practise makes perfect? __________________ seks.ai for sale - ping me

07-25-2006, 07:13 AM	#3
Naughty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Utopia Posts: 6,482	lol, sure there is. __________________ seks.ai for sale - ping me

07-25-2006, 07:15 AM	#4
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07-25-2006, 07:21 AM	#5
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07-25-2006, 07:23 AM	#6
Violetta Affiliate Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 28,735	whats wrong with sitedepth? I have been thinking of getting it for my sites __________________ M&A Queen

07-25-2006, 06:36 AM	#2
DEA - banned for life V.I.P. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: InYour Head Posts: 7,886	.......nope

07-25-2006, 07:24 AM	#7
TMM_John Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,660	I wouldn't call it a couple of "courses on the phone to understand it". Some people get it installed and use it without ever asking a question. Others need help above and beyond the training. The training is offered to give value to the product and make sure those using it know how to use it. I don't get how people see that as a bad thing. If you can't spend 4-5 hours of your time to learn more about how the software powering your business works what are you spending that time on thats more valuable? The training isn't provided becuase the software is sooo complex and soooo hard to understand as a certain competitor of ours seems to like to tell people. It is provided to make sure you know what you're doing and what you can do with it. __________________ Skype: JohnA1078 Too Much Media - Makers of the Industry's Leading Payite Management Platform, NATS!

07-25-2006, 07:24 AM	#8
Pete-KT Workin With The Devil Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: West Bloomfield, MI Posts: 51,532	Never had a problem with Nats, there always there to help also

07-25-2006, 07:27 AM	#10
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07-25-2006, 07:28 AM	#11
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	NATS = for billing stats etc SITEDEPTH= CMS.... ? __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

07-25-2006, 07:39 AM	#13
DutchTeenCash I like Dutch Girls Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: dutchteencash.com Posts: 21,684	nothing wrong with sitedepth, esp the 4.0 version is very comfy, BUT its not a billing backend like everyone else here already posted. __________________ ICQ 16 91 547 - SKYPE dutchteencash bob AT dutchteencash DOT com ... did you see our newest Sweet Natural Girl Priscilla (18)?

07-25-2006, 07:59 AM	#16
crazies Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: The Swamp -~- Goooo Gators!!! 2006-2007 BB and 1996, 2007 & 2009 FB National Champs X 5!!! Posts: 1,491	NATS rocks and if you spend some time understanding all of the information that it provides, you will be more than happy that you did. I am no Rocket Scientist when it comes to using programs and after taking the time to fully understand Nats functions I was very glad that I did. Also Nats allows you more than enough tickets to ask all of the questions you need and Valerie oh Valerie what a gem that girl is always taking the time to make sure you get the answers you need. We are very happy with NATS especially their Support Team! __________________ Send us your Mature traffic and let us convert it for you! CraziesCash Converts

07-25-2006, 08:12 AM	#18
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	What I'd like about NATS, is some built-in Shortcuts. An AdultElite example, which many other NATS driven sites are similiar.. Login, click Link Codes and presented with a typical NATS form. Generate Link Codes for which? Make a choice.. - Go to Step 2 Choose Linking Point. Make a choice.. - Go to Step 3 Choose your Price Point. Make a choice.. - Go to Step 4 Designate Campaign. Enter something (optional) - Generate Code Now. All those fucking pages of choices just to get your link codes. I'd like to click Link Codes, and immediately be presented with a list of links to use. If I want other options, -then- walk me through the interrogation process. Let's get some Promo Tools now. Damn, NATS interview again. Ok, so I click 'Browse Free Hosted Galleries' Step 1 - Choose program Step 2 - Choose link point Step 3 - Choose price point Step 4 - Designate campaign Step 5 - Choose gallery type Step 6 - Choose by site or niche Step 7 - Choose sites Step 8 - View online or download text file Step 9 - Finally, we're presented with our gallery links. So, I think some Shortcuts would be VERY useful instead of the typical NATS interrogation. I appreciate and enjoy the flexibility involved, but the process is lacking in my opinion. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

07-25-2006, 11:53 AM	#20
Naughty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Utopia Posts: 6,482	John, I'm not saying NATS is not good or too complicated for everybody. I was just wondering if there was some like it, but stripped ;-) And I know SiteDepth is something else entirely, it is just that when you have 200 Gb of content on the server to categorize, it isn't the best of CMS's. __________________ seks.ai for sale - ping me

07-25-2006, 12:10 PM	#23
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	so what youre saying is: youre too stupid for nats?

07-25-2006, 12:14 PM	#24
shermo Guest Posts: n/a	Naughty, Taking the time to learn about your processing software is something any serious business owner should do. With NATS, you have all you need in 1 package... And as you exand, there are no growing pains to endure. Do yourself a favor and get NATS... you'll be happy you did!

07-28-2006, 11:05 AM	#26
gooddomains Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 10,127	interesting thread

07-28-2006, 11:07 AM	#27
Just_Dave Its almost time Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 13,009	hit up the guys at http://www.prodinix.com

07-28-2006, 12:02 PM	#28
DirtyDanza Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: BP4L.... Las Vegas, Posts: 8,370	nats is great if you need help let me know __________________ AVN Nominated Camming Couple