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Mr. Soul · 07-19-2006, 11:56 AM

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155 artillary shells.

oh, that changes everything. Artillary shells don't kill people.

Sexxxy Sites · 07-19-2006, 12:18 PM

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The people who live there right now about the rightful imhabitants. They shouldn't be walled in to one massive concentration camp.

I think the world has to step in and stop this once and for all. Move UN troops into every waring country, and disarm their militaries. Israel, Lebanon, Palestine, and Syria. Just cover these countries with international troops and tell them, look assholes, if you can't figure out how to stop shooting eachother, we'll fucking show you. Treat the entire region like children. First nation that fires another shot gets a complete trade embargo.

UN troops were and are in Lebanon. UN troops are always ineffective. Move in NATO forces if one wants an effective force.

Sexxxy Sites · 07-19-2006, 12:19 PM

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oh, that changes everything. Artillary shells don't kill people.

I disagree. Artillary shells can and do kill people.

Webby · 07-19-2006, 03:15 PM

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UN troops were and are in Lebanon. UN troops are always ineffective. Move in NATO forces if one wants an effective force.

"UN troops are always ineffective" - More bollocks like "They are not bombs".

UN troops are no different to NATO troops or any others.

The function required is more related to cooling a scenario than bombing the shit out of it. A mix of UN forces with a mandate is clearly more appropriate in this scenario and, little doubts, that is the way it is heading.

NATO does not represent the international community and it is not an "independent broker".

PS Iraq has recently been considering a UN peace force in that country - it's obvious why. US forces were never trained to handle any scenario that involved "firm diplomacy" - this has been demonstrated for decades. Of course, it would let Bush off the hook for the shit he started if that did happen.

LadyMischief · 07-19-2006, 03:17 PM

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Whose land? It was British land until WW II. Before WW I it was Ottoman (Turks).

And the Bedouins and all the other people that lived there, like the Palestinians who were displaced when the country was created? It most certainly never belonged to Israel, except from Biblical promises and a hope and a prayer.

Drake · 07-19-2006, 03:25 PM

Interesting discussion. I've learned a lot.

ADL Colin · 07-19-2006, 03:38 PM

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And the Bedouins and all the other people that lived there, like the Palestinians who were displaced when the country was created? It most certainly never belonged to Israel, except from Biblical promises and a hope and a prayer.

Miami is majority Cuban. Does that mean Miami "belongs to the Cubans"?

ADL Colin · 07-19-2006, 03:40 PM

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oh, that changes everything. Artillary shells don't kill people.

Artillery shells DON'T kill people. People kill people.

.... little joke ;-)

ADL Colin · 07-19-2006, 03:43 PM

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The people who live there right now about the rightful imhabitants. They shouldn't be walled in to one massive concentration camp.

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Israelis are walled in? I guess they are.

Paul Waters · 07-19-2006, 04:25 PM

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was Israel a mistake?

If instead of Israel, a Jewish state had been created in southern California.....

If not a mistake, creating Israel in the middle east was most certainly a sub optimal decision.

Paul Waters · 07-19-2006, 04:26 PM

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Miami is majority Cuban. Does that mean Miami "belongs to the Cubans"?

As long as they vote Republican.

alexg · 07-19-2006, 04:42 PM

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I understand that you are in Israel, and I understand your loyalty to your country, but can you not even for ONE moment take the blinders off and see that people aren't bashing your country saying stuff like this, they are speaking the truth. Israel is a young country, build on land that has been in dispute and fought over for... let's face it, THOUSANDS of years. If you think for a moment that's not a valid point, get your head out of your ass.

no, you don't understand...
and no, they are not speaking the truth, because they (and you) don't know all the facts...
and no, you will never understand, so it's not even worth the discussion...

for a legitimate discussion to occur, the two sides must have SOME common basic assumptions...

you're calling my country a mistake, and view me as a land stealer, occupier or whatever.... how can I discuss anything with you?

alexg · 07-19-2006, 04:46 PM

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I'm definitely not anti-Israel

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the Jews are on THEIR (the arabs') land

quoted from the same post....classic!

Mr. Soul · 07-19-2006, 05:03 PM

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Israelis are walled in? I guess they are.

No, the Palestinians are being walled in. They also have no control over their borders, air space or sea port. Explain to me how that's not a concentration camp and I'll buy you a beer.

Sveindt Beindt · 07-19-2006, 05:05 PM

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was Israel a mistake?

No,a wery g idia

Mr. Soul · 07-19-2006, 05:15 PM

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no, you don't understand...
and no, they are not speaking the truth, because they (and you) don't know all the facts...
and no, you will never understand, so it's not even worth the discussion...

for a legitimate discussion to occur, the two sides must have SOME common basic assumptions...

you're calling my country a mistake, and view me as a land stealer, occupier or whatever.... how can I discuss anything with you?

Oh right, you guys are just looking for fairness. That's why you call all Muslims terrorists and demand that they disarm before begining negotiations. How logical.

Webby · 07-19-2006, 05:25 PM

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No, the Palestinians are being walled in. They also have no control over their borders, air space or sea port. Explain to me how that's not a concentration camp and I'll buy you a beer.

Gaza in particular, was never anything other than a concentration camp Mr S. Over half the population live in eight refugee camps. One in particular, with one of the highest densities of population in the world - 79,000 living in two thirds of a square mile (kilometer). Over 75% of the current estimated population of around 1.4 million are registered refugees.

To expect anything other than an explosion from places like Gaza where people are under oppression and with little resources, is like living in lala land.

Latest news report from the Gaza area:

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Palestinians die in Israeli raids

At least nine Palestinians have been killed in fresh Israeli operations in Gaza and the West Bank.

Under heavy gunfire Israeli tanks entered Mughazi refugee camp in the central Gaza Strip before dawn.

At least six Palestinians, including a number of militants, were killed in the latest incursion in a three-week operation in Gaza by the Israelis.

Later, three Palestinians were shot by Israeli troops in the West Bank city of Nablus, Palestinian sources said.

Civilians are among the dozens of Palestinians who have died in the Israeli assault on Gaza, launched after an Israeli soldier was captured by Palestinian militants.

Many injured

The Israeli army said five of its soldiers were injured in the operation, which saw some 30 Israeli armoured vehicles in the camp by sunrise, residents told the Associated Press news agency.

Israel is also reported to have carried out air strikes on the camp.

An army spokeswoman said the operation aimed "to target terror infrastructure" in the camp, "as part of the ongoing effort in which one of its main targets is getting back [captured Israeli Cpl] Gilad Shalit and stop the launching of Qassam rockets," news agency AFP reported.

At least 45 Palestinians, including children, were wounded, Palestinian hospital officials said.

According to Israel Radio, Israel is also shelling sites in Gaza which were used to launch Qassam rockets over into the western Negev on Tuesday evening.

Israel launched its military offensive in the Gaza Strip three weeks ago after Cpl Shalit was abducted by militants linked to Hamas's military wing.

Its Gaza assault prompted international calls for restraint, but a UN resolution urging Israel to stop the offensive was vetoed by the United States at the Security Council last week.

betabomb · 07-19-2006, 05:38 PM

it's too late for that now

Major (Tom) · 07-19-2006, 05:53 PM

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Whose land? It was British land until WW II. Before WW I it was Ottoman (Turks).

exactly! at least someone knows their history..
duke

MaddCaz · 07-19-2006, 05:54 PM

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MontrealPimp · 07-19-2006, 06:20 PM

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Interesting discussion. I've learned a lot.

Music to my ears

Sexxxy Sites · 07-19-2006, 07:50 PM

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"UN troops are always ineffective" - More bollocks like "They are not bombs".

UN troops are no different to NATO troops or any others.

The function required is more related to cooling a scenario than bombing the shit out of it. A mix of UN forces with a mandate is clearly more appropriate in this scenario and, little doubts, that is the way it is heading.

NATO does not represent the international community and it is not an "independent broker".

PS Iraq has recently been considering a UN peace force in that country - it's obvious why. US forces were never trained to handle any scenario that involved "firm diplomacy" - this has been demonstrated for decades. Of course, it would let Bush off the hook for the shit he started if that did happen.

Just like "firm diplomacy" has worked well for the UN troops in Lebanon? I repeat UN troops are not an effective force for anything other than handing out aid packages.

Webby · 07-19-2006, 08:29 PM

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Just like "firm diplomacy" has worked well for the UN troops in Lebanon? I repeat UN troops are not an effective force for anything other than handing out aid packages.

Your shift at McDonalds finished?

Absorb and learn Sexy - depending on the mandate under which any troops operate is the criteria as to whether they are effective. Currently UN troops in Lebanaon do not have an appropriate mandate and this is currently being addressed.

If troops are mandated to hand out "aid packages" - that is what they will do. That is currently not the mandate of UN troops in Lebanon.

Where do you get this "effective force" from? Are you now suggesting a fighting force for this region? If so, that is all the US could offer, - but sometimes there is need for some common sense and firmness in negotiating a calm in an area - that does not mean bombing the shit out of it.

Basically you are not even qualified even discuss the Middle East - you live in the US and are fed the biggest pile of shit leaving you to form opinions which are both irrelvant and ignorant. Bottom line - you have nothing to offer the Middle East or any other nation.

Sexxxy Sites · 07-19-2006, 09:04 PM

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Your shift at McDonalds finished?

Absorb and learn Sexy - depending on the mandate under which any troops operate is the criteria as to whether they are effective. Currently UN troops in Lebanaon do not have an appropriate mandate and this is currently being addressed.

If troops are mandated to hand out "aid packages" - that is what they will do. That is currently not the mandate of UN troops in Lebanon.

Where do you get this "effective force" from? Are you now suggesting a fighting force for this region? If so, that is all the US could offer, - but sometimes there is need for some common sense and firmness in negotiating a calm in an area - that does not mean bombing the shit out of it.

Basically you are not even qualified even discuss the Middle East - you live in the US and are fed the biggest pile of shit leaving you to form opinions which are both irrelvant and ignorant. Bottom line - you have nothing to offer the Middle East or any other nation.

If I am not mistaken and going by memory the UN mandate in Lebanon was to help the Lebanese government to rid itself of Hezballa and any other armed militias as provided by UN Resolution 1559. Hezballa is stronger than ever in Lebanon. Yes indeed UN force and diplomacy worked very well. They will not be quite as strong when Israel is finished with them.

Are you finished sucking the American tourist's dicks for the day asswipe? Did you earn enough for a room for the night or do you actually have your own shack?

Webby · 07-19-2006, 09:07 PM

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If I am not mistaken and going by memory the UN mandate in Lebanon was to help the Lebanese government to rid itself of Hezballa and any other armed militias as provided by UN Resolution 1559.

Are you finished sucking the American tourist's dicks for the day asswipe? Did you earn enough for a room for the night or do you actually have your own shack?

Your comments are irrelevant - you have nothing to offer anyone.

I don't wast time on the leftovers of human trash - crawl up Bush's ass and check if there is sunshine and have a discussion about stem cell research.

Sexxxy Sites · 07-19-2006, 09:13 PM

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Your comments are irrelevant - you have nothing to offer anyone.

I don't wast time on the leftovers of human trash - crawl up Bush's ass and check if there is sunshine and have a discussion about stem cell research.

At the least that would make me first world human trash, not third world human trash like yourself that is forced to suck American tourist's dicks for a living. Since I have nothing to offer anyone then I assume that you will not be responding to my posts with your drivel. Good.

Sexxxy Sites · 07-19-2006, 09:17 PM

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Your comments are irrelevant - you have nothing to offer anyone.

I don't wast time on the leftovers of human trash - crawl up Bush's ass and check if there is sunshine and have a discussion about stem cell research.

FYI government money is not needed for stem cell research. Private enterprise spent 100 million last year on embronic and other stem cell research. This figure is projected to exceed 10 billion dollars by 2010. Science is marching onward without government money which is really for the best.

Webby · 07-19-2006, 09:22 PM

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At the least that would make me first world human trash, not third world human trash like yourself that is forced to suck American tourist's dicks for a living. Since I have nothing to offer anyone then I assume that you will not be responding to my posts with your drivel. Good.

Oh pathetic

Have you *anything* to say that is in any way constructive of a contribution to this thread?

That is... apart from "They are not bombs", "155 artillary shells", "UN troops were and are in Lebanon. UN troops are always ineffective. Move in NATO forces if one wants an effective force." and "I disagree. Artillary shells can and do kill people" and your pathetic attempted "attacks" over third world countries and "tourist's dicks".

Your relevance is awesome.

Webby · 07-19-2006, 09:23 PM

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FYI government money is not needed for stem cell research. Private enterprise spent 100 million last year on embronic and other stem cell research. This figure is projected to exceed 10 billion dollars by 2010. Science is marching onward without government money which is really for the best.

Don't discuss your fetishes with me - keep them to yourself.

Sexxxy Sites · 07-19-2006, 09:30 PM

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Oh pathetic

Have you *anything* to say that is in any way constructive of a contribution to this thread?

That is... apart from "They are not bombs", "155 artillary shells", "UN troops were and are in Lebanon. UN troops are always ineffective. Move in NATO forces if one wants an effective force." and "I disagree. Artillary shells can and do kill people" and your pathetic attempted "attacks" over third world countries and "tourist's dicks".

Your relevance is awesome.

The UN troops in Lebanon have proven themselves to be totally ineffective as they did not even attempt to enforce their mandate as provided by UN Resolution 1559. UN troops have never been effective in any event other than handing out aid packages. Their "relevance is awsome."

Webby · 07-19-2006, 09:38 PM

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The UN troops in Lebanon have proven themselves to be totally ineffective as they did not even attempt to enforce their mandate as provided by UN Resolution 1559. UN troops have never been effective in any event other than handing out aid packages. Their "relevance is awsome."

You are welcome to your opinion - all good US trolls have one, whether it's about grass in Argentina, the quality of Colombian coke or genocide in Dafur. Unfortunately, they are irrelevant.

Webby · 07-19-2006, 09:48 PM

BTW Sicko Sexy... US troops have never been effective in Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq or almost any other place they were present, even tho the only job they had was blowing shit up and killing people. Engaging in a peace process is a bit harder than shooting off guns and bombing - fat chance of being able to do that.

Make contact with Bush's brain cell by crawling up his ass and let him know these facts of life Sexy

Frile · 07-19-2006, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Webby

BTW Sicko Sexy... US troops have never been effective in Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq or almost any other place they were present, even tho the only job they had was blowing shit up and killing people. Engaging in a peace process is a bit harder than shooting off guns and bombing - fat chance of being able to do that.

Make contact with Bush's brain cell by crawling up his ass and let him know these facts of life Sexy

Very well said. I very much like your opinions. You live in England Webby?

Webby · 07-19-2006, 09:57 PM

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Very well said. I very much like your opinions. You live in England Webby?

Well.. when it comes to complete trolls who have a braincell missing and are a complete embarassment to any nation - what can ya say?

Originally EU, but operating in Costa Rica, Caribbean and the EU.

Sexxxy Sites · 07-19-2006, 10:21 PM

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Well.. when it comes to complete trolls who have a braincell missing and are a complete embarassment to any nation - what can ya say?

Originally EU, but operating in Costa Rica, Caribbean and the EU.

"Operating"! I suppose hustling tourists is "operating". You are a broke ass piece of shit that lives in a third world country and hate the US because customs will not allow you to enter. I have friends that have vacation homes in Costa Rica and they have been checking into certain matters for me. You are a joke asswipe, and no more than that.

I am out of here. I have a steaks on the bar-b-q and a late night friend coming over.

Frile · 07-19-2006, 10:29 PM

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"Operating"! I suppose hustling tourists is "operating". You are a broke ass piece of shit that lives in a third world country and hate the US because customs will not allow you to enter. I have friends that have vacation homes in Costa Rica and they have been checking into certain matters for me. You are a joke asswipe, and no more than that.

I am out of here. I have a steaks on the bar-b-q and a late night friend coming over.

Shut up fag... you don't have a Western Union to send to TelAviv? Hurry hurry

Webby · 07-19-2006, 10:39 PM

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"Operating"! I suppose hustling tourists is "operating". You are a broke ass piece of shit that lives in a third world country and hate the US because customs will not allow you to enter. I have friends that have vacation homes in Costa Rica and they have been checking into certain matters for me. You are a joke asswipe, and no more than that.

I am out of here. I have a steaks on the bar-b-q and a late night friend coming over.

I feel sorry for anyone you claim is a friend of yours and sure as fuck doubt they are even in the league of being able to afford a "vacation home" in a "third world country" - nevermind checking on fuck all

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You got a habit of disappearing with some bullshit claims of having steaks cooking - dream on

MontrealPimp · 07-20-2006, 01:43 AM

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ADL Colin · 07-20-2006, 01:56 AM

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No, the Palestinians are being walled in. They also have no control over their borders, air space or sea port. Explain to me how that's not a concentration camp and I'll buy you a beer.

Mine was a joke.

The Palestinians are, of course, treated atrociously.

ADL Colin · 07-20-2006, 02:00 AM

UN Troops. Sometimes they have been "effective" and sometimes not. Every situation and response is different.

I remember reading some whitepapers on the subject. I'm sure they can be found easily.

ADL Colin · 07-20-2006, 02:06 AM

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BTW Sicko Sexy... US troops have never been effective in Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq or almost any other place they were present, even tho the only job they had was blowing shit up and killing people. Engaging in a peace process is a bit harder than shooting off guns and bombing - fat chance of being able to do that.

Yup, the US is good at regime change (long history there). Not very good at nation-building. That is just that. Lost of reasons. Legitimacy, lack of national constabularies, use of regulary military tactics personnel and leadership for "peace-keeping", poor intelligence.

But are nation-building tasks "harder" than military ones? Moving a military halfway across the world and then occupying a capital in 21 days is "very hard".

elron · 07-20-2006, 04:20 AM

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I don't hate Jews or Muslims, but the creation of Israel was a colossal mistake. It virtually ensured violent instability in that region. But then again, maybe that was the plan....

If israel wasn't created , arabs would just fight eachother non stop , even with the existance of israel there were more people who died in arab-arab wars than in israeli-arab wars
The Iran-Iraq war itself caused more death than whole israel-arab wars together .
Israel actually did a big favour for arab countries by uniting them all against israel , and yet arab states kept fighting eachother all along .

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