I am so sick and tired of programmers and designers not respecting deadlines...

THREE deals I went through this month, each one promissing to deliver the design or program at a given time, and none of them actually got it done by the deadline...

For some reason, they tend to slack off once they got the deal... Even if I haven't paid them yet, the sudden urgency of completing the project fades away.

What's up with this? am I the only one that has this happen to him?

[SmokeyTheBear]

my dog got hit by a car and i had to take him to rehab

[sandman!]

nope i get the same stuff

[BIGTYMER]

That's life young bdjuf.

[soulswagon]

It's happened to me a few. It can be frustrating. I can't say too much though since I stay 2 days behind myself.

[BradM]

Welcome to my world. I am ready to fly out and slap this programmer. HUGE job and he is fucking around.

[ER!C L!VE]

Yep. Programmers, designers and video editors all seem to work on their own time.

I've thought about giving a bonus to get the project in on time, but haven't done it yet.

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by BigTymer

That's life young bdjuf.

Words of wisdom indeed.

[Doctor Dre]

You need to pay the price for what you're doing. Hire pro compagnies and pay more...

[Lykos]

who isnt my friend,i hate when ppl are not respecting deadlines

[AdamAnt]

You need to give us a try.

www.AdultDesignKings.com

Quick Turn-Arounds
No Deposits

[TheJimmy]

nature of the beast

[Spunky]

When they say 2 weeks ,they mean approx a month

[Doctor Dre]

One thing I've learned is to extend my deadliens in advance.

I tell the designer I need it in a week when actually I need it in a month.
That way it gives you time to re-adapt, and if after 2 weeks it isn't done, I can just switch to the next compagny.

[Verbal]

It's tough sometimes ... I can't speak for programmers, but as a designer I can tell you that there are days that 'the shit' just does not flow. That being said, I'm not going to send a client something that Im not happy with. I guess it's a lot like roofing ... some days its going to rain and there's nothing you can do about it.

[Verbal]

p.s. but that doesn't mean I dont appreciate your frustration ;)

[Martina Warren]

Yeah when i complain about designers not being timely. I always hear but you have to consider them as artists

[Bods4Mods]

Originally Posted by Martina Warren

Yeah when i complain about designers not being timely. I always hear but you have to consider them as artists

Good point - i used to be very tough on my designer until i realized watching my wife ( who is an artist) and seeing what all goes in their work. So I'm more patient with my guy now - especially since i love his work.

[tical]

yeah sucks, thats why when you find some good ones you gotta HOLD ON TO THEMMMMM

Originally Posted by Verbal

It's tough sometimes ... I can't speak for programmers, but as a designer I can tell you that there are days that 'the shit' just does not flow. That being said, I'm not going to send a client something that Im not happy with. I guess it's a lot like roofing ... some days its going to rain and there's nothing you can do about it.

I completely understand!

just don't go telling me that you will have it done in 24-48 hours when you need about a week to take care of it!

it just doesn't make sense

[diam0ndz]

I think that everyone in the industry now does not consider the fact that some designers work alone and not all run a digital indian sweatshop.

alot want double the work for 1/3 of the price and done 2 days ago

this is also without even adding the quality aspect to any part of it

[gooddomains]

they missed deadlines 20 years ago constantly and they still will do so in 20 years, most them are just not from this world when it comes to business

[NoWhErE]

As a video editor, I am always facing deadlines and I meet them 98% of the time.

Unfortunately, designing, editing and (I'm not 100% sure on this one) coding are not exact sciences. Somedays you'll be more productive than others. When giving a deadline, all you can do is average your previous experiences and extrapolate an approximate ETA to delivery.

UNFORTUNATELY, most artists like to think they can be more productive than they are and have a tendacy to overestimate their capacity to produce. Thus giving themselves unreal deadlines.


Personnally I always pad my deadlines to give me some buffer time in case I feel like fucking off for awhile or if an emergency arises. I get alot of clients asking me for something done yesterday, but I make sure to always talk them into giving me more time.

But those are my work ethics, I know they are not shared by everybody, but fact is : some of us freelancers ARE reliable

[xclusive]

Some people just don't know how to do business. They lack the ability to communicate a lot of the time. Some people also get in above thier head and can't do what they think they can.

[DWB]

I have had the same thing with a handful of them. makes me want to fucking scream. they are jumping through hoops to get your deal, so once they get it... sometimes I did not hear from them for WEEKS!!!!

IMHO, if you are working on a project, you should talk to your customer EVERY FUCKING DAY until it is done.

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by Verbal

It's tough sometimes ... I can't speak for programmers, but as a designer I can tell you that there are days that 'the shit' just does not flow. That being said, I'm not going to send a client something that Im not happy with. I guess it's a lot like roofing ... some days its going to rain and there's nothing you can do about it.

I must agree that for a programmer is much more difficult to give correct estimate for a project, but it seems to me that most of the programmers and designers simply agree to the deadline so they can secure the job although they know very well that there's no way that they can finish it on time, and that's totally fucked up

[Kimo]

yeah this is a huge problem, it seems like evey designer flakes out theese days, whats the deal?

[biftek]

Originally Posted by diam0ndz

I think that everyone in the industry now does not consider the fact that some designers work alone and not all run a digital indian sweatshop.

alot want double the work for 1/3 of the price and done 2 days ago

this is also without even adding the quality aspect to any part of it

that is hardly the fault of the person who is hiring you , your the one running the business doing the job you need to step up tell the client that they are fucking joking , learn the art of negotiating and communication

to me the excuses you just shoved up show that you lack the ability to run a business
you might have the art skills but not the business skills

[Big John]

I see a lot of excuses in this thread and that's all they are - lame excuses.

If you know that you can't or may not meet a deadline then it's very simple - don't tell people you can. It matters not at all about 'design blocks' or problems or anything else as they should all be factored in at the beginning.

Too many lazy arse, greedy fuckers around with no clue about business is the biggest problem. As somebody else said though it can also be in part due to the price you pay...

[TDF]

Originally Posted by BradM

Welcome to my world. I am ready to fly out and slap this programmer. HUGE job and he is fucking around.

sounds like woj

[themanager]

I think so but not with my freinds they are very professional in dealing w/t client.

[Egomancer]

Let me give you an example:
- a few day ago a possible client came to me to make him a project. He wrote some thorough specifications (a thing that 90% of the clients do not do) and asked how much time it takes to make that.
- one of my programmers looked over the stuff and said I takes 3-4 month for 2 programmers to complete it
- I tell my estimation to the potential clinet
- he answers that he has an employee that can make alone that project in one month.
- my answer: let me look over them once again!
- I have looked and I tend to keep the estimation of my programmers.

Conclusion: I am not going to make the project even if it well documented. If bjduf is this type of client then I think that I know why everything takes 2 times more than estimated.
Of course that I could say that the project takes 2 month and keep it open for 3 months but I felt that I do not want to make this because I am sick of this shit.
This happens because 'the client' heared someone saying that his project can be done in one second by a programmer while the ones that he is going to pay take half a year to make that. Consequently the guys that want to get payed are theieves or stupid while the programmer that said he is going to make it in one second is 'teh shit'. Of course that guy never makes anything because he is busy, but WTF...

And this is one of best cases, someone that actually knows what he wants and puts it on paper. Beside him there are countless others that don't have any idea about programming and shit, but they want things done. And when they start changing they ask why it takes so much and why the project is delayed. If you are for more money for each change they say that you are a thief and if you are lucky you get some fucken drama on a forum.

Egomancer

[Adult-biz]

I can honestly say that the design work that we offer clients comes with quality support and prompt completion times. It is of utmost importance to me that we deliver great support in the various services that we offer.

You can also be assured that you are dealing with someone (me) whose first language is English so communication issues should not arise.

Design services.

Thanks for reading.

[Twisted Dave]

Originally Posted by ER!C L!VE

I've thought about giving a bonus to get the project in on time, but haven't done it yet.

DON'T... If they say they'll get it done by a certain date, they should do... We've all missed the occassional deadline in our lives, professionally or in our personal lives, but at the end of the day, one of the main priorities should be meeting deadlines.

Btw, in another thread, gooddomains said I'd not been contactable, and not contacted him... turns out, I didn't have his email, I'd done the work (at least a 1st Draft) and he'd been invisible mode and not had me on the allow list! So it was physically impossible for me to contact him He'll confirm that fact I'm sure soon... when I see him again

Anyways... yes... people should try and meet deadlines... but sometimes, things get in the way and it's not possible to sort... but three designers? That's bad luck dude.

[Twisted Dave]

Originally Posted by Kimo

yeah this is a huge problem, it seems like evey designer flakes out theese days, whats the deal?

Thanks man! :/ lol ... I thought we were buddys! ;) LOL

[crockett]

I think the designers deal is because it's more of a inspirational type of work. I'm not a designer but when I do my own stuff, I know I can't just sit down and start working. I kinda have to get the feel of what I'm working on and then do it over and over 50 times.

So I can understand why a designer might run a little late on a project. Everyone expects original work but part of that is understanding what it takes to do original stuff. If it's just cookie cutter stuff then sure a deadline should be easy to keep.

[GFX Wiz]

The problem is you'e not hiring "designers" -- merely people who own Photoshop who need money.

Hire a professional designer and you won't have this problem. What is a professional designer?

- A professional designer is someone who is busy and not immediately available.
- A professional designer is someone who will let you know how long they are booked for before they can take on new work
- A professional designer is spoken highly of on the boards and has been -- FOR YEARS
- A professional designer has a recognizable name -- FOR YEARS
- A professional designer will never overbook himself just to get YOUR job. He (or she) knows that overbooking only leads to disappointed clients and a short career as a freelancer
- A PROFESSIONAL designer will NOT be the lowest price. They might be the HIGHEST price. You get what you pay for. Be cheap you might get nothing for your dollar.

These threads are as tiresome to read on GFY as any of AMP's hallucino-psycho rants. They are predictable and they are nice for professional designers to read so they can see who the cheap-asses are that we will never want as a client.

[Egomancer]

GFX wiz I agree with you!!!!

The same applies for programmers.

Egomancer

[cyberstar]

Originally Posted by Doctor Dre

You need to pay the price for what you're doing. Hire pro compagnies and pay more...

star AT shockmedialab.com

[Ross]

Designers should just give a longer deadline so that if they fuck up then they still deliver it when they say they will. Or else if they get it done quicker its a nice surprise for the person who ordered the designs.

[seeric]

dude you stress entirely too much for your age. enjoy your young life while you can. no wonder you have ED problems sometimes. shit bro. go enjoy some of your money, bang a bunch of girls, party, live life, if you work half as much as you do now you'll still make more than 50% of gfy. everytime i read something you are either stressing or worrying about something. i don't like to see people so young so wrapped up already. if you dont stop stressing so much i'll outlive you yo. just my two cents, and i only say that because of all the stuff i see you write and stress i see you under.

have some fun without expecting it. i think you expect too much sometimes. just my opinion man and i want nothing but good things for ya.

[Why]

thats the problem with spamming software dude. once you pay them to write a spamming script using a new idea. they take it and use it for themself.... thats why you have to learn to code

[Twisted Dave]

Originally Posted by GFX Wiz

The problem is you'e not hiring "designers" -- merely people who own Photoshop who need money.

Hire a professional designer and you won't have this problem. What is a professional designer?

- A professional designer is someone who is busy and not immediately available.
- A professional designer is someone who will let you know how long they are booked for before they can take on new work
- A professional designer is spoken highly of on the boards and has been -- FOR YEARS
- A professional designer has a recognizable name -- FOR YEARS
- A professional designer will never overbook himself just to get YOUR job. He (or she) knows that overbooking only leads to disappointed clients and a short career as a freelancer
- A PROFESSIONAL designer will NOT be the lowest price. They might be the HIGHEST price. You get what you pay for. Be cheap you might get nothing for your dollar.

These threads are as tiresome to read on GFY as any of AMP's hallucino-psycho rants. They are predictable and they are nice for professional designers to read so they can see who the cheap-asses are that we will never want as a client.

Sorry man but let me say something...

"A professional designer is someone who is busy and not immediately available"
Absolute rubbish. A professional designer doesn't ALWAYS have work on. That's a ludicrous thing to say.

"A professional designer is spoken highly of on the boards and has been -- FOR YEARS"
Again, rubbish. The internet, and the 'boards' is FAR from being the only place that designers frequent, and clients talk about. For instance... I regard myself as a professional... I've been working professionally in art and design for 10 years now. Many of those years, I was working in videogames, where I worked on many high profile titles, such as SSX, FIFA, Madden, Need for Speed... Because I've not been around for more than a few months in the adult industry, on the forums, that suddently takes away my professionalism? Again... ludicrous.

Some of your points are valid... but some make it sound like YOU yourself, aren't a professional. I'm not questioning that... just saying you should think about what you've said. Because the points above are entirely untrue.

[Kimo]

i fucked up because i was thinking of a shitty lost project where i got fucked by a designer and a coder, and it was actually outside of adult! but the one designer whos work is the best around and not only meets but BEATS his deadlines is http://www.twistedillustration.com/

if he ever fucks you over icq me personally and ill kick his ass for you!

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

Originally Posted by GFX Wiz

These threads are as tiresome to read on GFY as any of AMP's hallucino-psycho rants. They are predictable and they are nice for professional designers to read so they can see who the cheap-asses are that we will never want as a client.

hahaha, I love it.

[chupachups]

Maybe they met with accident?

[Sosa]

Find a good designer and stick with them

Originally Posted by A1R3K

dude you stress entirely too much for your age. enjoy your young life while you can. no wonder you have ED problems sometimes. shit bro. go enjoy some of your money, bang a bunch of girls, party, live life, if you work half as much as you do now you'll still make more than 50% of gfy. everytime i read something you are either stressing or worrying about something. i don't like to see people so young so wrapped up already. if you dont stop stressing so much i'll outlive you yo. just my two cents, and i only say that because of all the stuff i see you write and stress i see you under.

have some fun without expecting it. i think you expect too much sometimes. just my opinion man and i want nothing but good things for ya.

I missed you dude!

[L0rdJuni0r]

i have the same issue with designers...

[woj]

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