Review sites using your content? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Taboo · 07-12-2006, 10:32 PM

edit... uh where's WOJ?

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

How about I give it away? Review sites that are "paid inclusion" -- all at same fee per site per month/year -- with a surfers/members-only rating and ranking system?

But if someone can buy a better review, it will still be bullshit.

yeah, but then you'll have program managers and their 100 person outsourcing staff polluting the site with false ranks, etc.

I've seen it happen countless times in mainstream (got a few niche review sites of my own). I can only imagine the chaos of setting up what's mentioned above for the adult industry.

the "review" concept has legs, but perhaps needs tweaking... hmmm... I wonder if you can try to add... oops... gotta save that for later.

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KrisKross · 07-12-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

As I just said, let the members/surfers decide for themselves if the site was worth the price. Just give them facts about the sites, and leave the subjective BULLSHIT out of the reviews.

Which is better, a hardcore milf or a softcore teen? Better to WHO? The rating/rankings should be based on overall surfer/member SATISFACTION, not some asshole's personal opinion.

By definition, a review is subjective. It's an opinion.

Quickdraw · 07-12-2006, 10:34 PM

I don't see the "here are 15,," I see, "Top Individual Sites"

Looks like I was mistaken, I thought you were complaining about someone using your content. I don't really see anything wrong with that page.

vvq · 07-12-2006, 10:36 PM

Review site joins are the worst retaining joins around. There are exceptions, but most isn't worth it.

Brujah · 07-12-2006, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

How many people visit that page and end up signing up ELSEWHERE?

You are missing my point completely.

Steve, you sound broke. Are you going hungry?

It's a review site. Are the facts correct? Do 15 other sites rank higher than yours? Are they cheaper and offer better content or equal but at a better price? Is it just an emotional thing and you're mostly upset that other sites rank higher than yours? If so, couldn't you just work on improving that and having them review you again?

Taboo · 07-12-2006, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by paterson3713

Isn't price an important factor when deciding to join a site? Why join a site for $29.95 when you can join a similar site with similar content and features for $19.95 instead. Why shouldn't the cheaper one get a better rating for being as good as the other one, and yet more affordable?

HOLD ON... miscommunication.

thebestporn has links to sites that you can join thru them that will cost you only $15month VS going to that SAME site directly (or thru other affiliates) that bills at $25month.

I believe that's the point that Steve was making.

personally, I'm undecided on this marketing tactic... I use it in mainstream quite often, but unsure of the fallout in the Adult industry. though innovative, it may create too much drama for & hatred towards "sponsors".

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SteveLightspeed · 07-12-2006, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Steve, you sound broke. Are you going hungry?

It's a review site. Are the facts correct? Do 15 other sites rank higher than yours? Are they cheaper and offer better content or equal but at a better price? Is it just an emotional thing and you're mostly upset that other sites rank higher than yours? If so, couldn't you just work on improving that and having them review you again?

I believe I've spent 8 years constantly improving every aspect of our sites and operations. That's why I get pretty pissy when a "re-review" scores lower than the previous one, even after we spent our time and resources to implement many of THEIR OWN fucking suggestions!

Brujah · 07-12-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I believe I've spent 8 years constantly improving every aspect of our sites and operations. That's why I get pretty pissy when a "re-review" scores lower than the previous one, even after we spent our time and resources to implement many of THEIR OWN fucking suggestions!

That's interesting. Is it the same reviewer? What do you think the underlying motivation behind it is? That they're trying to force your hand at giving them a major price cut?

Jace · 07-12-2006, 10:43 PM

steve, do you also get mad when a blog post is all about your site, but the sidebar has links to other sites?

what about when a lightspeed thumb is listed with 150 thumbs from other sites, are you mad then?

Taboo · 07-12-2006, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

You are kidding right? Have you even looked?
http://www.thebestporn.com/review/tawneestone/

On the left column -- "Here are 15 sites that we ranked higher"

so what is the solution? your solution? what would "you" (as a sponsor) prefer? no review altogether? or?

(serious questions)
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Jace · 07-12-2006, 10:46 PM

having affiliates means you have to make some small compromises as to where you links end up, because chances are 9 out of 10 times you links will be on a page with links to 10-20 other porn sites

if you don't like that, then close your affiliate program and get all the traffic yourself, but until you can take the place of what your affiliates are bringing in you have to make a small compromise here and there

honestly, I thought this was all a really big deal, like using your content to market other sites, but come on man, if you are going to get mad at thebestporn for having links in the their menus for other sites on the same page as your review, then you might as well go after tgps for listing your thumbs along side other sites thumbs, and also stop allowing blog posting of your sites because blog9 sidebars have tons of fucking links to other sites

pornguy · 07-12-2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

It will never be "honest" as long as the review site is giving the best scores to the sites they profit most from.

Remove the affiliate links from ALL reviews it you want to be "honest"

Steve they, like you are in this to make money. And that is how they make thiers. Now I agree that the pages that reviews lightspeed should be filled with links ONLY to lightspeed sites, and your program could very easily cover that. But some programs can not. that why they do that.

Reak AGV · 07-12-2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

How many people visit that page and end up signing up ELSEWHERE?

You are missing my point completely.

Compare it to a paysite having popunders which the surfers get to see even before reaching a join form of the site they visited.

Solution, dont send traffic too it. Your solution would be asking the review sites to remove your links/reviews. I'm sure they would do it with no questions asked.

Personally, I have no issues with Thebestporn. The review of the site in question is clearly visable. It makes sence that if the surfer is not interested in the reviewed site, Thebestporn gives them alternatives.

SteveLightspeed · 07-12-2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

steve, do you also get mad when a blog post is all about your site, but the sidebar has links to other sites?

what about when a lightspeed thumb is listed with 150 thumbs from other sites, are you mad then?

In those examples, do they explicitly state, "We think these other sites are better and you'll enjoy them even more!"? If they do, then yes, its bullshit.

Kimo · 07-12-2006, 10:49 PM

damn why all the hate people!

Jace · 07-12-2006, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

In those examples, do they explicitly state, "We think these other sites are better and you'll enjoy them even more!"? If they do, then yes, its bullshit.

tgp sites do, almost all of them have a "premium sites" section or "our favorites" section....and then there is the "hall of fame" or shit like that, where the site favors some sites over others

I DO however agree though, that if a site is giving thebestporn users a discounted rate on subscriptions that they should be excluded from the top sites list, simply because of course the results will be skewed

Taboo · 07-12-2006, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

What gives review sites the right to attract surfers using your content, when they list right next to your images "HERE ARE OTHER SITES WE THINK ARE EVEN BETTER!"

It is against our program terms/conditions to use our content to promote another sponsor's sites. I don't know why any sponsor should pay an affiliate who ass-rapes them by having potential surfers diverted to another sponsor's site!

I've had more than enough of fucked up review sites and their bullshit games!

Steve Lightspeed

after re-reading this, and looking at the page in question:
http://www.thebestporn.com/review/tawneestone/

how are they abusing your content? perhaps I missed something, otherwise, I'm lost. perhaps the big problem is there's no transparency due to the fact that some customers have no idea that some review sites are supported by commissions, payola, etc. and sponsors have no idea whether or not their competitors are paying under the table for a better review. it all breaks down to the overall integrity & trustworthiness of the review site. if review sites opened their doors to customer reviews & rankings, it would be far worse and render most sites unusable.

do review sites like this bother to analyze sites that DON'T have affiliate programs?

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Jace · 07-12-2006, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Taboo

after re-reading this, and looking at the page in question:
http://www.thebestporn.com/review/tawneestone/

how are they abusing your content? perhaps I missed something, otherwise, I'm lost. perhaps the big problem is there's no transparency due to the fact that some customers have no idea that some review sites are supported by commissions, payola, etc. and sponsors have no idea whether or not their competitors are paying under the table for a better review. it all breaks down to the overall integrity & trustworthiness of the review site. if review sites opened their doors to customer reviews & rankings, it would be far worse and render most sites unusable.

do review sites like this bother to analyze sites that DON'T have affiliate programs?

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I have already told more than 1 review site to take out review down, not because it was bad, but because it was a horribily review and misguided the surfer completely as to what we offered...that shit pisses me off to no end..nothing like getting a chargeback from a moron review writer that told the surfer we had things that we really didn't

Brujah · 07-12-2006, 10:55 PM

Taboo is fiesty.

Jace · 07-12-2006, 10:57 PM

I have a beef with thebestporn.com because they have this review up for our site that is years old, and I can't get them to re-review our site to save my life

we relaunched in march and our site is 500% better, but it still has this outdated review

Ryan_TBP · 07-12-2006, 11:00 PM

Hey everyone,

I don't have a ton of time here to post, but wanted to clear up a few things while I could. Most of our staff is MIA tonight at some Xbiz parties I believe, so we'll catch up with everything we can in the morning.

First, the review for Lightspeed World that went up today went up in score, not down. I'm sure there are others that have gone down in the past despite some improvements, but we also have to keep in mind that porn sites today are constantly improving. A 320x240, 500kbps WMV file was doing quite well just two years ago, where today we'll see a lot more videos in the 640x480 and 1000kbps range as an average. In that regard, a site can stay consistent for a year and receive a lower score next time we look because of increasing competition out there.

We don't use any promo content obviously, and the only thing taken from sites for promotional purposes is a small logo/screencap from the tour. We most definitely will refer people around our site to check out more than one review to help them make an informed decision. We're also in the business of promoting our own site when possible of course to help it grow.

I won't get into the philosophy behind sites providing us with exclusive bargains and whether that's a good or a bad thing tonight as it's been a long day. We do enjoy the discussion and reading what everyone things as we try to run our business as honest and upfront as we can while providing the best resource for users possible.

Keep the opinions coming on all sides, and I'm sure Rick and Aly will be around tomorrow when possible to throw their two cents in as well.

Ryan_TBP · 07-12-2006, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

I DO however agree though, that if a site is giving thebestporn users a discounted rate on subscriptions that they should be excluded from the top sites list, simply because of course the results will be skewed

In the end, since our scoring system does take the price of a site into account, the results are changed a bit but it's because they are providing more for the money at that point. All things being equal, we'll score a site better than gives the exact same content and service at a lower price. Take Video Box for example who offer up two different versions of their sites: one is at $10 a month, and the other is at $30 a month. If we chose to review the more expensive one, they definitely wouldn't score as well as they do now. We feel price matters, again all other things being equal.

Ryan_TBP · 07-12-2006, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Taboo

do review sites like this bother to analyze sites that DON'T have affiliate programs?

Personally, we review any and all sites, affiliate program or not. Higher payouts, or lack of them at all, have no bearing on the reviews themselves. In the case of sites that have given us a lower price for our users, we're actually taking a smaller payout because of it, but their score jumps a bit of course.

Taboo · 07-12-2006, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

I believe I've spent 8 years constantly improving every aspect of our sites and operations. That's why I get pretty pissy when a "re-review" scores lower than the previous one, even after we spent our time and resources to implement many of THEIR OWN fucking suggestions!

first off, I'm not on anyone's side here, but after looking at the review dates/scores:

02/25/06: Review follow-up completed. Score = 80.1
09/01/04: Review follow-up completed. Score = 80.8
12/07/03: Official review completed. Score = 75.9

do you think the scores went down because (even though you've updated your content & integrated suggestions) there may be lots of other sites that have done the same as you (or more) and have outpaced you. perhaps now, you have more solid competitors than before? with more interaction? with better conversion & retention rates? perhaps reviewers & consumers expectations have grown over that 2 year span? not trying to discount the changes you may have made, but if you look at the race between Friendster & MySpace, Friendster NEVER SAW IT COMING. no one did. in fact, MySpace wasn't even in the race, then they became a late entry and passed everyone in a blink of an eye. in fact, Friendster still doesn't know what hit them (fortunately they have patents in place) but perhaps same situation here... in the mainstream game, the competitive landscape has changed dramatically in such a short time, and most likely the adult industry mirrors that change. there are SO many single girl sites, single girl networks, etc... that you guys competing in the same marketspace must constantly update and innovate every single "day & way" you can... just to be a player in the game... winning's a whole different story.

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Jace · 07-12-2006, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan_TBP

In the end, since our scoring system does take the price of a site into account, the results are changed a bit but it's because they are providing more for the money at that point. All things being equal, we'll score a site better than gives the exact same content and service at a lower price. Take Video Box for example who offer up two different versions of their sites: one is at $10 a month, and the other is at $30 a month. If we chose to review the more expensive one, they definitely wouldn't score as well as they do now. We feel price matters, again all other things being equal.

who does your reviews? i have been trying to get someone to re-review tabithastoybox.com since march when we relaunched....the review you have up there isn't doing either of us any good, we are all here to make money, right

and I would like to offer you all a discounted rate for viewers for a month if possible ;)

Ryan_TBP · 07-12-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

I have a beef with thebestporn.com because they have this review up for our site that is years old, and I can't get them to re-review our site to save my life

we relaunched in march and our site is 500% better, but it still has this outdated review

Hey Jace,

Hit us up anytime for a followup review, we're always open to it as long as it's been at least six months since we last looked (which seems like the case). If you could point out where we've turned you down or anything, there must have been some other reason. We want to keep your review as up to date as possible as well as old reviews don't do anybody good.

The process is actually all automated if you hit the account manager at http://www.thebestporn.com/webmasters/log-in.html . Once inside, make sure we have an active user/pass, and then hit the link to request a review. We usually can get to them within 1.5 weeks or so depending on our load. Any questions, feel free to email us at admin@ or aly@ and we'll get you hooked up as well.

I'm out guys, I'm beat. Keep the discussion going as all the opinions are great to read!

SteveLightspeed · 07-12-2006, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan_TBP

Take Video Box for example who offer up two different versions of their sites: one is at $10 a month, and the other is at $30 a month. If we chose to review the more expensive one, they definitely wouldn't score as well as they do now. We feel price matters, again all other things being equal.

Two "versions"? -- as in the lower cost version is something less of the full version, but you review it like its all the same?

Jace · 07-12-2006, 11:10 PM

I have to agree with TBP about the competitors thing now....now, more than ever, there are some SOLID fucking solo girl sponrs out there that are currently giving steve a run for his money. not saying steve isn't still raking in the cash from his girls, but like someone else said in this thread, with jayman and a few other new programs that have killer content and unbelievable members areas thaty retain insanely well, it is getting harder on the proven leaders

Taboo · 07-12-2006, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jace

I have already told more than 1 review site to take out review down, not because it was bad, but because it was a horribily review and misguided the surfer completely as to what we offered...that shit pisses me off to no end..nothing like getting a chargeback from a moron review writer that told the surfer we had things that we really didn't

I can understand your reasoning behind that.

B&S...

bait & switch shouldn't be tolerated. that review site should be blacklisted.

tunafox · 07-12-2006, 11:11 PM

Seriously this thread is a load of crap.

It is simple really, would you:
(a) Prefer to be on a review site "XXX" and get one or more sales.
(b) Prefer not be included on review site "XXX" and get zero sales.

At the end of the day if you are getting sales from a review site why complain and even think about biting the had that feeds you.

Just my 2 cents

Jace · 07-12-2006, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan_TBP

Hey Jace,

Hit us up anytime for a followup review, we're always open to it as long as it's been at least six months since we last looked (which seems like the case). If you could point out where we've turned you down or anything, there must have been some other reason. We want to keep your review as up to date as possible as well as old reviews don't do anybody good.

The process is actually all automated if you hit the account manager at http://www.thebestporn.com/webmasters/log-in.html . Once inside, make sure we have an active user/pass, and then hit the link to request a review. We usually can get to them within 1.5 weeks or so depending on our load. Any questions, feel free to email us at admin@ or aly@ and we'll get you hooked up as well.

I'm out guys, I'm beat. Keep the discussion going as all the opinions are great to read!

I know what it was...that form. I can't get it to work, I don't know what my login is, and someone claimed I had one, but no one would ever help me find it

jace (at) justjace (dot) com if you can help me

Taboo · 07-12-2006, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

Taboo is fiesty.

how so?

I'm learning what makes sponsor's & webmaster's tick. and I'm learning alot.

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Ryan_TBP · 07-12-2006, 11:12 PM

You're all set Jace, you should have just received an email from us since I got the site scheduled. Hit us up via email with any questions!

Jace · 07-12-2006, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Taboo

I can understand your reasoning behind that.

B&S...

bait & switch shouldn't be tolerated. that review site should be blacklisted.

yup...I LOVE honest reviews...yes, our site ain't the best site in the world, but I update regularly and we constantly have fresh content coming out, with total interaction with tabitha

but when you tell the review readers that I have HD videos and she does cam shows 3 times a week, they might get a little mad when they get in there and we dont' have that

Theo · 07-12-2006, 11:13 PM

Jace, hit me on icq please #301989773

AllStar · 07-12-2006, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Wait a minute -- this analogy isn't quite right --- what if Siskel and Ebert got commissions based on how many people saw the movie because of their review?

Yeah Steve they do get paid by the studios.
There are junkets similar to political ones where they fly you out and blah, blah blah. Also there are sponsors that take out ads on the tv show and in the papers they write for...is it direct payment? No but you know how it works with swag, trips and all that. I mean the thing is on these reiew sites its not like they get a huge kick back? they get the same kick back wether the surfer buys your site or the other guys?
Yes? NO?
Really I think you should justbe happy they review you and you get some sales..what are you like the Martin Scorcese of the online porn world?
Just Kidding but really I would just think it is part of the game. Might not like it but then again there are worse problems like no traffic

Mr.Right - Banned For Life · 07-12-2006, 11:14 PM

I agree with Steve 100%.

I posted about review sites many months ago, i will try and find the link.

Review sites have no idea at all what goes into a paysite with exclusive content and the cost of sites, models, hosting, designs, staff and they say that $ 29.95 is to much for a paysite with exclusive content, who the hell are they to say that.

Your right Steve, review sites need to give themselves a good review, its out of control.

Ryan_TBP · 07-12-2006, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

Two "versions"? -- as in the lower cost version is something less of the full version, but you review it like its all the same?

Same site, different name, different price. Once a user joins, they get the same exact site and content no matter which they've joined. One just costs less than the other (with lower payouts as well of course).

Jace · 07-12-2006, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan_TBP

You're all set Jace, you should have just received an email from us since I got the site scheduled. Hit us up via email with any questions!

nothing here..the email you all might have for me might be dead, webmaster @tabithastoybox.com was my old one before the spam demons killed it

see above for current email

Taboo · 07-12-2006, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Batts

I agree with Steve 100%.

I posted about review sites many months ago, i will try and find the link.

Review sites have no idea at all what goes into a paysite with exclusive content and the cost of sites, models, hosting, designs, staff and they say that $ 29.95 is to much for a paysite with exclusive content, who the hell are they to say that.

Your right Steve, review sites need to give themselves a good review, its out of control.

fyi, I'm keeping in mind the fact that you're a GFY MOD...

BUT

just because a site has exclusive content doesn't automatically make it worth the membership price.

perfect analogy:

Hollywood Movies... exclusive content, rarely worth the price of admission.
that's why movie critics exist. perhaps there's a happy marriage... i.e. developing a site like Yahoo Movies, (reviews from expert critics + the average user w/ content & previews mixed in). IMHO, too much trouble.

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TheJimmy · 07-12-2006, 11:28 PM

I'm just curious, how would their use of your content in their review fall outside of the Fair Use laws? It doesn't look like they're using 'too' much of the content, just a thumb of your site from the quick glance I took.

ie; MrSkin's site --- Hank charges for people to come inside. What if he said 'wow look at those saggy pancake boobies on _actress x_" Or whatever the review was, good bad or indifferent...doesn't he have the legal right to do that?

If he wasn't allowed to use that content in his review site, and charge for a membership to see his reviews...there would be no Mr Skin or a lot of other reviews/critiques of products in several industries...

:/

SteveLightspeed · 07-12-2006, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheJimmy

I'm just curious, how would their use of your content in their review fall outside of the Fair Use laws? It doesn't look like they're using 'too' much of the content, just a thumb of your site from the quick glance I took.

ie; MrSkin's site --- Hank charges for people to come inside. What if he said 'wow look at those saggy pancake boobies on _actress x_" Or whatever the review was, good bad or indifferent...doesn't he have the legal right to do that?

If he wasn't allowed to use that content in his review site, and charge for a membership to see his reviews...there would be no Mr Skin or a lot of other reviews/critiques of products in several industries...

:/

Use of celebrity content is an entirely different issue, imo.

SteveLightspeed · 07-12-2006, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheJimmy

I'm just curious, how would their use of your content in their review fall outside of the Fair Use laws? It doesn't look like they're using 'too' much of the content, just a thumb of your site from the quick glance I took.

ie; MrSkin's site --- Hank charges for people to come inside. What if he said 'wow look at those saggy pancake boobies on _actress x_" Or whatever the review was, good bad or indifferent...doesn't he have the legal right to do that?

If he wasn't allowed to use that content in his review site, and charge for a membership to see his reviews...there would be no Mr Skin or a lot of other reviews/critiques of products in several industries...

:/

And btw, people are paying MrSkin to see videos and screencaps of their favorite actress showing her goods.

ps, Hank hasn't been working with Mr Skin in over a year.

Mr.Right - Banned For Life · 07-12-2006, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Taboo

fyi, I'm keeping in mind the fact that you're a GFY MOD...

BUT

just because a site has exclusive content doesn't automatically make it worth the membership price.

perfect analogy:

Hollywood Movies... exclusive content, rarely worth the price of admission.
that's why movie critics exist. perhaps there's a happy marriage... i.e. developing a site like Yahoo Movies, (reviews from expert critics + the average user w/ content & previews mixed in). IMHO, too much trouble.

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I see your point, but what i am trying to point out is that shooting exclusive content costs more than just purchasing some content from a content provider and that i think that review sites should take into account that exclusive content sites do cost more to produce, persoanlly i think $ 29.95 per month is very cheap for a membership to a site with exclusive content and i am suprised that more sites are not increasing their prices.

Brujah · 07-12-2006, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Batts

I see your point, but what i am trying to point out is that shooting exclusive content costs more than just purchasing some content from a content provider and that i think that review sites should take into account that exclusive content sites do cost more to produce, persoanlly i think $ 29.95 per month is very cheap for a membership to a site with exclusive content and i am suprised that more sites are not increasing their prices.

In my opinion, the surfers perspective is all that matters for a review site. They shouldn't make allowances because one site might spend more money on it's content. It should really be about what the surfers experience is going to be, if it's really an honest review site. Don't you think?

TheJimmy · 07-12-2006, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveLightspeed

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ps, Hank hasn't been working with Mr Skin in over a year.

Ahh damm, I AM out of touch! Thanks for the update though. From what I heard he seemed like a damm nice guy, and I always thought he had an interesting site and concept going on there.

I would consider one thing though in ref to your previous response, I think more than one of your models might be considered a 'celebrity' at this point in their careers. Esp Tawnee, Jordan, etc...

Mutt · 07-12-2006, 11:57 PM

The Best Porn is owned by the guy who chased everybody away off YNOT over blind links - he felt it was dishonest that freeloading surfers were being tricked by webmasters.

review sites produce signups but everybody tells me they are horrible at converting and rebilling - and you can see why - the review sites encourage cancelling.

Taboo · 07-13-2006, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Batts

I see your point, but what i am trying to point out is that shooting exclusive content costs more than just purchasing some content from a content provider and that i think that review sites should take into account that exclusive content sites do cost more to produce, persoanlly i think $ 29.95 per month is very cheap for a membership to a site with exclusive content and i am suprised that more sites are not increasing their prices.

first, I definitely agree with raising prices for some types of sites.

re: other points: surfers don't care... though reviewers MAY take it into consideration, they can't allow it to be a factor... most consumers are only concerned with what they are being charged, they don't care about model costs, travel expenses, props, time, media, equipment, etc... and incorporating what brujah said above... review sites need to put themselves into the consumer's shoes in order to be successful. but it's hard to run an HONEST review site without getting blacklisted by many sponsors... because we all know some sites out there deserve a very low rating, and I doubt many review sites will slap a "3 out ot 10" on a site owned by a sponsor who is bringing in revenue for you with other sites in their network.

I'm not stating that any or all review sites are dishonest, just saying it's gotta be tough for some of them to stay honest.

perhaps the solution lies deep within the... hmmm...

...and then an idea hits you like a ton of bricks. Steve, thanks for starting this thread.

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Taboo · 07-13-2006, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

The Best Porn is owned by the guy who chased everybody away off YNOT over blind links - he felt it was dishonest that freeloading surfers were being tricked by webmasters.

review sites produce signups but everybody tells me they are horrible at converting and rebilling - and you can see why - the review sites encourage cancelling.

do you think they truly "encourage" cancelling. perhaps they are just making sure the surfers don't fall into the pitfalls that are out there... especially with sites that make it near impossible to cancel. there are a few sponsors on GFY that have had 404 pages where their cancel pages should've been.

perhaps the review sites are luring the surfers into a sense of security that does the job of converting surfer into member because the surfer nows feels that the review site is on THEIR side... cause we all know that many Sponsors don't give a damn about the member once they've paid. zero support. stale content. bait & switch's, etc. Once an affiliate/reviewer sends a signup, it's the sponsor's job to retain that member. if the majority of members are cancelling after 1 month, isn't that the sponsor's fault/burden? I don't see review sites (maybe I missed it) encouraging members to cancel before trials end or saying "cancel after 1 month to explore more of our recommended sites", etc... if review sites conducted business that way (to boost pps rev) they would cease to exist because their affiliate account would get banned & they'd be exiled from the industry.

but I may be misguided/misinformed (or it could be the Citron&7

), so please elaborate...

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Mutt · 07-13-2006, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

The Best Porn is owned by the guy who chased everybody away off YNOT over blind links - he felt it was dishonest that freeloading surfers were being tricked by webmasters.

review sites produce signups but everybody tells me they are horrible at converting and rebilling - and you can see why - the review sites encourage cancelling.

he wasn't all wrong - we'll never know how things would have worked out if surfers had been treated better - i think we all know that we have lost a ton of
potential customers who have zero trust after getting scammed. But teaching the remaining faithful customers that most paysites suck and that trials are great is bad news.

07-12-2006, 10:36 PM	#54
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07-12-2006, 10:49 PM	#65
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07-12-2006, 10:55 PM	#69
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07-12-2006, 11:00 PM	#71
Ryan_TBP Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 67	Hey everyone, I don't have a ton of time here to post, but wanted to clear up a few things while I could. Most of our staff is MIA tonight at some Xbiz parties I believe, so we'll catch up with everything we can in the morning. First, the review for Lightspeed World that went up today went up in score, not down. I'm sure there are others that have gone down in the past despite some improvements, but we also have to keep in mind that porn sites today are constantly improving. A 320x240, 500kbps WMV file was doing quite well just two years ago, where today we'll see a lot more videos in the 640x480 and 1000kbps range as an average. In that regard, a site can stay consistent for a year and receive a lower score next time we look because of increasing competition out there. We don't use any promo content obviously, and the only thing taken from sites for promotional purposes is a small logo/screencap from the tour. We most definitely will refer people around our site to check out more than one review to help them make an informed decision. We're also in the business of promoting our own site when possible of course to help it grow. I won't get into the philosophy behind sites providing us with exclusive bargains and whether that's a good or a bad thing tonight as it's been a long day. We do enjoy the discussion and reading what everyone things as we try to run our business as honest and upfront as we can while providing the best resource for users possible. Keep the opinions coming on all sides, and I'm sure Rick and Aly will be around tomorrow when possible to throw their two cents in as well. __________________ TheBestPorn.com - Ultimate porn database and reviews PornUsers.com - Porn reviews by the people

07-12-2006, 11:12 PM	#83
Ryan_TBP Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 67	You're all set Jace, you should have just received an email from us since I got the site scheduled. Hit us up via email with any questions! __________________ TheBestPorn.com - Ultimate porn database and reviews PornUsers.com - Porn reviews by the people

07-12-2006, 10:34 PM	#53
Quickdraw Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: → → → Posts: 1,717	I don't see the "here are 15,," I see, "Top Individual Sites" Looks like I was mistaken, I thought you were complaining about someone using your content. I don't really see anything wrong with that page.

07-12-2006, 10:43 PM	#59
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	steve, do you also get mad when a blog post is all about your site, but the sidebar has links to other sites? what about when a lightspeed thumb is listed with 150 thumbs from other sites, are you mad then?

07-12-2006, 10:46 PM	#61
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	having affiliates means you have to make some small compromises as to where you links end up, because chances are 9 out of 10 times you links will be on a page with links to 10-20 other porn sites if you don't like that, then close your affiliate program and get all the traffic yourself, but until you can take the place of what your affiliates are bringing in you have to make a small compromise here and there honestly, I thought this was all a really big deal, like using your content to market other sites, but come on man, if you are going to get mad at thebestporn for having links in the their menus for other sites on the same page as your review, then you might as well go after tgps for listing your thumbs along side other sites thumbs, and also stop allowing blog posting of your sites because blog9 sidebars have tons of fucking links to other sites

07-12-2006, 10:57 PM	#70
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	I have a beef with thebestporn.com because they have this review up for our site that is years old, and I can't get them to re-review our site to save my life we relaunched in march and our site is 500% better, but it still has this outdated review

07-12-2006, 11:10 PM	#78
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	I have to agree with TBP about the competitors thing now....now, more than ever, there are some SOLID fucking solo girl sponrs out there that are currently giving steve a run for his money. not saying steve isn't still raking in the cash from his girls, but like someone else said in this thread, with jayman and a few other new programs that have killer content and unbelievable members areas thaty retain insanely well, it is getting harder on the proven leaders

07-12-2006, 11:11 PM	#80
tunafox Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 275	Seriously this thread is a load of crap. It is simple really, would you: (a) Prefer to be on a review site "XXX" and get one or more sales. (b) Prefer not be included on review site "XXX" and get zero sales. At the end of the day if you are getting sales from a review site why complain and even think about biting the had that feeds you. Just my 2 cents

07-12-2006, 11:13 PM	#85
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Jace, hit me on icq please #301989773

07-12-2006, 11:14 PM	#87
Mr.Right - Banned For Life I guarantee it Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 18,314	I agree with Steve 100%. I posted about review sites many months ago, i will try and find the link. Review sites have no idea at all what goes into a paysite with exclusive content and the cost of sites, models, hosting, designs, staff and they say that $ 29.95 is to much for a paysite with exclusive content, who the hell are they to say that. Your right Steve, review sites need to give themselves a good review, its out of control.

07-12-2006, 11:28 PM	#91
TheJimmy ICQ- five seven 0 2 5 5 0 Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,747	I'm just curious, how would their use of your content in their review fall outside of the Fair Use laws? It doesn't look like they're using 'too' much of the content, just a thumb of your site from the quick glance I took. ie; MrSkin's site --- Hank charges for people to come inside. What if he said 'wow look at those saggy pancake boobies on _actress x_" Or whatever the review was, good bad or indifferent...doesn't he have the legal right to do that? If he wasn't allowed to use that content in his review site, and charge for a membership to see his reviews...there would be no Mr Skin or a lot of other reviews/critiques of products in several industries... :/ __________________ Investor with 5m - 15m USD to invest. Do you have a site or network of sites earning 50k - 200k a month income? Email your contact and preliminary data to: domain.cashventures (at) gmail.com....Please...no tire kickers...serious offers and inquiries only.

07-12-2006, 11:57 PM	#97
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	The Best Porn is owned by the guy who chased everybody away off YNOT over blind links - he felt it was dishonest that freeloading surfers were being tricked by webmasters. review sites produce signups but everybody tells me they are horrible at converting and rebilling - and you can see why - the review sites encourage cancelling. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!