Can you traceroute secretcurves.com for me -- there is wierdness... - GoFuckYourself.com

TheFLY · 06-05-2002, 08:18 PM

I would appreciate this -- Boneprone and Snow are telling me that they can't access secretcurves.com -- if you can post your traceroute here I would really appreciate it.

TheFLY · 06-05-2002, 08:20 PM

I think it's possible netsol fucked me up!

FATPad · 06-05-2002, 08:20 PM

Can't reach it either. The name isn't resolving to anything either in tracert or ping.

Jamie · 06-05-2002, 08:21 PM

unable to resolve the domain

looks like your DNS server might be down
Get ahold of Phil with Five Elements and have him take a look.

TheFLY · 06-05-2002, 08:22 PM

It's like I'm being sucked through a black hole! NETSOL is stealing my site!

Jamie · 06-05-2002, 08:24 PM

I guess you shouldn't have waited till the last minute. Thats the rumor anyways..

TheFLY · 06-05-2002, 08:24 PM

I'm paging my registrar -- this is fucked up!

Maybe I was hijacked?

Techie Media · 06-05-2002, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY
It's like I'm being sucked through a black hole! NETSOL is stealing my site!

> server 66.220.15.80
Default server: 66.220.15.80
Address: 66.220.15.80#53
> socalsweets.com
Server: 66.220.15.80
Address: 66.220.15.80#53

Name: socalsweets.com
Address: 66.220.15.69

(our nameservers are answering authoritively correctly)

Pete, I've run several traces and pings, and look ups reverse sideways and up and down, its some wierd stuff going on... Get on the phone with them 1st thing in the am... I wish I could be of more help

TheFLY · 06-05-2002, 08:30 PM

I renewed this domain with a new registrar last month -- I'm betting this is the problem...

Naomi · 06-05-2002, 08:32 PM

Good page for traces here.....

Good luck with your domain......

quiet · 06-05-2002, 08:34 PM

not seeing it either bro

quiet · 06-05-2002, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Naomi
Good page for traces here.....

Good luck with your domain......

i fucking love geektools - use it all the time :)

Mr.Fiction · 06-05-2002, 08:41 PM

Your domain was EXPIRED.

Record expires on 29-May-2002.

I just tried renewing it, maybe that will help.

TheFLY · 06-05-2002, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jamie
I guess you shouldn't have waited till the last minute. Thats the rumor anyways..

don't scare me like that... ;!

Singer · 06-05-2002, 08:42 PM

05/05/02 23:40:17 whois www.secretcurves.com
I don't recognise any domain in secretcurves.com , trying internic

whois -h whois.internic.net secretcurves.com ...

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

Domain Name: SECRETCURVES.COM
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS0.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM
Name Server: NS1.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM
Updated Date: 04-jun-2002

>>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:44:24 EDT <<<

The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Registrars.

05/05/02 23:41:01 whois NS0.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM
.com is a domain of USA & International Commercial
Searches for .com can be run at http://www.crsnic.net/

whois -h whois.crsnic.net five-elements.com ...
Redirecting to NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.

whois -h whois.networksolutions.com five-elements.com ...
The Data in the VeriSign Registrar WHOIS database is provided by VeriSign for
information purposes only, and to assist persons in obtaining information about
or related to a domain name registration record. VeriSign does not guarantee
its accuracy. Additionally, the data may not reflect updates to billing contact
information. By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree to use this Data only
for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Data to:
(1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited,
commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone, or facsimile; or
(2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to VeriSign
(or its computer systems). The compilation, repackaging, dissemination or
other use of this Data is expressly prohibited without the prior written
consent of VeriSign. VeriSign reserves the right to terminate your access to
the VeriSign Registrar WHOIS database in its sole discretion, including
without limitation, for excessive querying of the WHOIS database or for failure
to otherwise abide by this policy. VeriSign reserves the right to modify these
terms at any time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy.

Registrant:
Five Elements Internet Services (FIVE-ELEMENTS-DOM)
PO Box 53
Malverne, NY 11565
US

Domain Name: FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM

Administrative Contact:
Five Elements Internet Services, Inc. (S12783-OR) [email protected]
Five Elements Internet Services, Inc.
7601 36th Ave N #220
New Hope, MN 55427
US
(763) 595-9479 fax: 123 123 1234
Technical Contact:
Doroff, Phil (PD2916) [email protected]
Five Elements
315 Birkshire LN N
Plymouth, MN 55441
612-978-4554

Record expires on 10-Dec-2002.
Record created on 10-Dec-1998.
Database last updated on 5-Jun-2002 23:41:03 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS0.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM 66.220.15.80
NS1.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM 206.191.246.3

mike503 · 06-05-2002, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Your domain was EXPIRED.

Record expires on 29-May-2002.

"oops"

most obvious one is always the last one to be thought of

XXXPaysiteDesign · 06-05-2002, 08:43 PM

Not working here either

TheFLY · 06-05-2002, 08:43 PM

I renewed it on the 19th -- last month... with cwnic.

mike503 · 06-05-2002, 08:44 PM

showing us the 'whois' for five-elements.com doesn't help.

here's secretcurves.

bash-2.05a# whois secretcurves.com

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

Domain Name: SECRETCURVES.COM
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com
Name Server: NS0.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM
Name Server: NS1.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM
Updated Date: 04-jun-2002

>>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:44:24 EDT <<<

The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Registrars.

The Data in the VeriSign Registrar WHOIS database is provided by VeriSign for
information purposes only, and to assist persons in obtaining information about
or related to a domain name registration record. VeriSign does not guarantee
its accuracy. Additionally, the data may not reflect updates to billing contact
information. By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree to use this Data only
for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Data to:
(1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited,
commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone, or facsimile; or
(2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to VeriSign
(or its computer systems). The compilation, repackaging, dissemination or
other use of this Data is expressly prohibited without the prior written
consent of VeriSign. VeriSign reserves the right to terminate your access to
the VeriSign Registrar WHOIS database in its sole discretion, including
without limitation, for excessive querying of the WHOIS database or for failure
to otherwise abide by this policy. VeriSign reserves the right to modify these
terms at any time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy.

Registrant:
Five Elements Internet Services, Inc. (SECRETCURVES-DOM)
7601 36th Ave N #220
New Hope, MN 55427
US

Domain Name: SECRETCURVES.COM

Administrative Contact:
Five Elements Internet Services, Inc. (S12783-OR) [email protected]
Five Elements Internet Services, Inc.
7601 36th Ave N #220
New Hope, MN 55427
US
(763) 595-9479 fax: 123 123 1234
Technical Contact:
VeriSign, Inc. (HOST-ORG) [email protected]
VeriSign, Inc.
21355 Ridgetop Circle
Dulles, VA 20166
US
1-888-642-9675 fax: - [email protected]

Record expires on 29-May-2002.
Record created on 29-May-2001.
Database last updated on 5-Jun-2002 23:42:56 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS0.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM 66.220.15.80
NS1.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM 206.191.246.3

the reason you don't get it is because your whois isn't hitting the master registry, which will then bounce you to the registrar that owns the record.

Mr.Fiction · 06-05-2002, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY
I renewed it on the 19th -- last month... with cwnic.

It looks like they didn't renew it with NetSol. I just added a year to the registration, maybe it will come back soon. It might take a day to update, though. Not sure.

mike503 · 06-05-2002, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY
I renewed it on the 19th -- last month... with cwnic.

cwnic? or netsol? your registrar is netsol. if you did not transfer it to cwnic's registrar (or them if they're their own...) then it was a waste of dough.

if you transfer registrars you have to do it [i believe] 60 days before the expiry date (so lazy people like us don't transfer at the last minute to the cheapest registrar to save some dough.)

i would renew them with netsol, then transfer them all over to opensrs. they're way more flexible and cost-effective than netsol will EVER be.

Mr.Fiction · 06-05-2002, 08:49 PM

Thank you for renewing your online services with VeriSign.
Your renewal is confirmed and is summarized below.

ORDER #: XXXXXXXXX

DOMAIN NAME: SECRETCURVES.COM
TERM: 5/29/02 to 5/29/03

Phil21 · 06-05-2002, 08:51 PM

*cough*

singer, if you would have taken that to the next logical step and queried those listed namservers directly you would see that we are indeed answering authoritive for this domain. Of course, that doesn't help much when the domain doesn't exist in the root servers any longer. ;)

I wish this was my issue, I could fix it quicker. I can't say too much though, I've done the same and wondered wtf was wrong as well.

Anyways, the rest can be taken private, no need to air anything on the boards here. Pete has my contact info (emergency and otherwise) and was in contact with me before this post.

The real criminal is probably Verisign (as usual). I just transfered a few domains off them, and the fucking e-mail they send to approve the transfer is borderline criminal IMO. They basically send you a fucking *SPAM* with all the preachy "verisign rocks" BS all over it, then in the MIDDLE of the god damned e-mail, they have a paragraph blurb on how to approve your domain transfer out. I ignored the first couple I got of those as spam, and am sure others have done so as well.
peace all,

-Phil

mike503 · 06-05-2002, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Thank you for renewing your online services with VeriSign.
Your renewal is confirmed and is summarized below.

ORDER #: XXXXXXXXX

DOMAIN NAME: SECRETCURVES.COM
TERM: 5/29/02 to 5/29/03

i am crying for you... paying netsol's lame prices :P

Phil21 · 06-05-2002, 08:52 PM

Oh, and MrFiction rocks. I owe you a beer (or $35). You got to it before I did.

-Phil

SunTzu · 06-05-2002, 08:52 PM

yeah I had a problem with netsol when I tried transfering a domain 2 weeks before it expired. After losing money to the new registrar I was trying to transfer to, Netsol sends me an email saying I have to transfer *at least* 30 days in advance. Gotta pay Netsol if you're in that time frame before you switch.

mike503 · 06-05-2002, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phil21
*cough*

singer, if you would have taken that to the next logical step and queried those listed namservers directly you would see that we are indeed answering authoritive for this domain. Of course, that doesn't help much when the domain doesn't exist in the root servers any longer. ;)

I wish this was my issue, I could fix it quicker. I can't say too much though, I've done the same and wondered wtf was wrong as well.

Anyways, the rest can be taken private, no need to air anything on the boards here. Pete has my contact info (emergency and otherwise) and was in contact with me before this post.

The real criminal is probably Verisign (as usual). I just transfered a few domains off them, and the fucking e-mail they send to approve the transfer is borderline criminal IMO. They basically send you a fucking *SPAM* with all the preachy "verisign rocks" BS all over it, then in the MIDDLE of the god damned e-mail, they have a paragraph blurb on how to approve your domain transfer out. I ignored the first couple I got of those as spam, and am sure others have done so as well.
peace all,

-Phil

yeah i love that company. even though i transferred all my domains off there 2 years ago, i still get "special offers" and shit from them, even though i'm my own RSP now (not like they know that...) but they *should not* have an active email address for me on record, since i have no business with them anymore.

they harvest off their own database just like all the other fucking cocksuckers out there. the company's integrity is as good as AOL, as far as i'm concerned. i'm waiting when the two will team up, so AOL can cheat domain names off of everyone they claim are holding "copyright violations..."

don't even get me started about the AOL.ORG story...

Mr.Fiction · 06-05-2002, 09:05 PM

For your semi-important domains, you should sign up for the FREE Snap Names monitoring service. They email you if there are any changes to your domain registration, including expiring, change of owner, etc.

For your really really important domains, you should spend the $69 and sign up for the Snap service that will monitor them and attempt to grab them if they drop. It's worth it for a few bucks.

http://www.snapnames.com/

jimmyf · 06-05-2002, 09:07 PM

6 23 ms 21 ms 20 ms 12.127.139.37
7 35 ms 18 ms 20 ms gbr6-p80.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.123.28.174]
8 55 ms 20 ms 19 ms tbr2-p013501.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.153]
9 18 ms 17 ms 18 ms ggr1-p3100.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.222]
10 29 ms 27 ms 27 ms att-gw.la.above.net [192.205.32.86]
11 32 ms 34 ms 38 ms pos2-0.mpr1.sjc2.us.mfnx.net [208.185.156.125]
12 28 ms 27 ms 31 ms so-1-1-0.mpr4.sjc2.us.mfnx.net [208.184.102.202]

13 36 ms 33 ms 32 ms pos6-0.mpr2.pao1.us.mfnx.net [208.185.175.162]
14 31 ms 30 ms 29 ms 209.249.24.136.he.net [209.249.24.136]
15 35 ms 36 ms 34 ms gige-g9-0.gsr12012.sjc.he.net [216.218.130.1]
16 85 ms 86 ms 86 ms oc3-pos1-0.7206vxr.chi.he.net [216.218.254.74]
17 81 ms 90 ms 83 ms socalsweets.com [66.220.15.69]

Trace complete.

mike503 · 06-05-2002, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
For your semi-important domains, you should sign up for the FREE Snap Names monitoring service. They email you if there are any changes to your domain registration, including expiring, change of owner, etc.

For your really really important domains, you should spend the $69 and sign up for the Snap service that will monitor them and attempt to grab them if they drop. It's worth it for a few bucks.

http://www.snapnames.com/

why not just pay $10 per year and reserve that for 7 years, instead of $69 to try to "get it back" if i've lost it?

i'd rather have my domain paid for for 7 years than some spam-happy service charging me $69 for who knows how long to "monitor" my domain.

jimmyf · 06-05-2002, 09:11 PM

C:\WINDOWS\Desktop>ping 66.220.15.80

Pinging 66.220.15.80 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 66.220.15.80: bytes=32 time=81ms TTL=239
Reply from 66.220.15.80: bytes=32 time=79ms TTL=239
Reply from 66.220.15.80: bytes=32 time=79ms TTL=239
Reply from 66.220.15.80: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=239

Ping statistics for 66.220.15.80:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 79ms, Maximum = 81ms, Average = 79ms

Phil21 · 06-05-2002, 09:18 PM

ah well, heading back to bed. Thanks again mrfiction.

I think I may code something over the next week or so that will auto-notify customers if their domains they host with us are about to expire. As previously stated, it's about the last thing checked (even for me, when I've seen it a couple times now). Shouldn't be too much effort...

Also, traceroute.org is another great place for traceroutes.

thanks much (and thanks to the few people who ICQ'ed me talling me a customer was down and posting to GFY. At least someone is keeping me honest, eh?) ;)

-Phil

mike503 · 06-05-2002, 09:18 PM

holy shit. it's $69 *A YEAR* ?

i could pay for 6 years fully, or 7 years for $1 more and not have to worry about my domain for that long. you people are actually buying this $69 a year service? i'm in the wrong business, i could write a silly script to monitor and re-register a domain for you, but i wouldn't because it would be *fucking pointless* - i'll just sell you a domain or renewal fee at my cost ($10/year) and be done with it.

TheFLY · 06-05-2002, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
For your semi-important domains, you should sign up for the FREE Snap Names monitoring service. They email you if there are any changes to your domain registration, including expiring, change of owner, etc.

For your really really important domains, you should spend the $69 and sign up for the Snap service that will monitor them and attempt to grab them if they drop. It's worth it for a few bucks.

http://www.snapnames.com/

Wow what a whirlwind of ICQ messages haha!! And I was wondering why I was losing so much traffic! ;)

Mr. Fiction is my HERO!! Haha I LOVE this guy! Damn I owe you!

As for why this was on netsol in the first place -- long story but probably had something to do w/ the lame 60 day rule so I just kept paying the $35 out of being lazy -- then I discovered that I could transfer domains out of netsol no problem w/ less than 60 days so I decided to transfer this one to my favorite registrar cwnic.com -- either I deleted the confirmation like Phil said or God knows what happened to the email -- BTW cwnic does give me email notification of changes made -- BUT the problem is that cyberwurx just added a new email system called "cwmail" -- I transfered over to that system on the 30th -- but I haven't activated that yet so for the last 5 days I haven't received email on some of my domains... so maybe this is why I wasn't aware of the problems... Christ, so to make a long story short -- thanks again Mr. Fiction -- I owe you one...

I just got off the phone w/ cyberwurx and they got my email working again so anyway thanks for all of your time. I feel like such a slacker for not staying on top of my shit...

PersianKitty · 06-05-2002, 10:15 PM

The whois I get shows it expires in 2003

Registrant:
Five Elements Internet Services, Inc. (SECRETCURVES-DOM)
7601 36th Ave N #220
New Hope, MN 55427
US

Domain Name: SECRETCURVES.COM

Administrative Contact:
Five Elements Internet Services, Inc. (S12783-OR) [email protected]
Five Elements Internet Services, Inc.
7601 36th Ave N #220
New Hope, MN 55427
US
(763) 595-9479 fax: 123 123 1234
Technical Contact:
VeriSign, Inc. (HOST-ORG) [email protected]
VeriSign, Inc.
21355 Ridgetop Circle
Dulles, VA 20166
US
1-888-642-9675 fax: - [email protected]

Record expires on 29-May-2003.
Record created on 29-May-2001.
Database last updated on 6-Jun-2002 01:13:41 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS0.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM 66.220.15.80
NS1.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM 206.191.246.3

mike503 · 06-05-2002, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PersianKitty
The whois I get shows it expires in 2003

psst. mr.fiction renewed it for him... i think you're a little late

PersianKitty · 06-05-2002, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mike503

psst. mr.fiction renewed it for him... i think you're a little late

Not late..just pointing out that netsol had updated and showed the renewal.

mike503 · 06-05-2002, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PersianKitty

Not late..just pointing out that netsol had updated and showed the renewal.

i believe all local registrars update their data in real-time, for the most part. netsol probably doesn't because they're a big old dinosaur. i know that opensrs updates all it's data instantly (not sure about renewal info...) - at least locally on the registrar's whois server. of course it takes the 24-48 hour period to get it confirmed to the master registry.

TheFLY · 06-05-2002, 11:26 PM

Thanks PersianKitty...

Mr. Fiction, how much did that renewal cost you?

BTW: I just spent an hour going through all my junk email and damn if I could find any email from Verisign/Netsol -- it seems they totally ignored my transfer request. I've never had a problem transfering domains from them before -- I wonder if they just got more greedy.

Mr.Fiction · 06-06-2002, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY
Thanks PersianKitty...

Mr. Fiction, how much did that renewal cost you?

BTW: I just spent an hour going through all my junk email and damn if I could find any email from Verisign/Netsol -- it seems they totally ignored my transfer request. I've never had a problem transfering domains from them before -- I wonder if they just got more greedy.

It barely cost anything. I just didn't want the name to drop on ya. Very hard to get one back once Ultra Search has it.

You would not be the first person that NetSol has expired a domain on without the person being aware of it. They suck. On the other side of the coin, if it wasn't for people letting their domains expire, what would some of us do with our spare time?

06-05-2002, 08:18 PM	#1
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Can you traceroute secretcurves.com for me -- there is wierdness... I would appreciate this -- Boneprone and Snow are telling me that they can't access secretcurves.com -- if you can post your traceroute here I would really appreciate it.

06-05-2002, 08:20 PM	#3
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	Can't reach it either. The name isn't resolving to anything either in tracert or ping. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultcontent.co.uk">Adult Content UK - Great British Content</a>

06-05-2002, 08:21 PM	#4
Jamie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: CelebPay.com Posts: 2,517	unable to resolve the domain looks like your DNS server might be down Get ahold of Phil with Five Elements and have him take a look. __________________ CelebPay: Promote Celebrity Reviews i/c/q - :1851935

06-05-2002, 08:24 PM	#6
Jamie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: CelebPay.com Posts: 2,517	I guess you shouldn't have waited till the last minute. Thats the rumor anyways.. __________________ CelebPay: Promote Celebrity Reviews i/c/q - :1851935

06-05-2002, 08:42 PM	#15
Singer Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Penn State University Main Campus Posts: 437	05/05/02 23:40:17 whois www.secretcurves.com I don't recognise any domain in secretcurves.com , trying internic whois -h whois.internic.net secretcurves.com ... Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Domain Name: SECRETCURVES.COM Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com Name Server: NS0.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM Name Server: NS1.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM Updated Date: 04-jun-2002 >>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:44:24 EDT <<< The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and Registrars. 05/05/02 23:41:01 whois NS0.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM .com is a domain of USA & International Commercial Searches for .com can be run at http://www.crsnic.net/ whois -h whois.crsnic.net five-elements.com ... Redirecting to NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. whois -h whois.networksolutions.com five-elements.com ... The Data in the VeriSign Registrar WHOIS database is provided by VeriSign for information purposes only, and to assist persons in obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration record. VeriSign does not guarantee its accuracy. Additionally, the data may not reflect updates to billing contact information. By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree to use this Data only for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Data to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone, or facsimile; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to VeriSign (or its computer systems). The compilation, repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of VeriSign. VeriSign reserves the right to terminate your access to the VeriSign Registrar WHOIS database in its sole discretion, including without limitation, for excessive querying of the WHOIS database or for failure to otherwise abide by this policy. VeriSign reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy. Registrant: Five Elements Internet Services (FIVE-ELEMENTS-DOM) PO Box 53 Malverne, NY 11565 US Domain Name: FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM Administrative Contact: Five Elements Internet Services, Inc. (S12783-OR) [email protected] Five Elements Internet Services, Inc. 7601 36th Ave N #220 New Hope, MN 55427 US (763) 595-9479 fax: 123 123 1234 Technical Contact: Doroff, Phil (PD2916) [email protected] Five Elements 315 Birkshire LN N Plymouth, MN 55441 612-978-4554 Record expires on 10-Dec-2002. Record created on 10-Dec-1998. Database last updated on 5-Jun-2002 23:41:03 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS0.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM 66.220.15.80 NS1.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM 206.191.246.3 __________________ www.JesusBoard.com

06-05-2002, 08:22 PM	#5
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	It's like I'm being sucked through a black hole! NETSOL is stealing my site! Last edited by TheFLY; 06-05-2002 at 08:36 PM..

06-05-2002, 08:30 PM	#9
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	I renewed this domain with a new registrar last month -- I'm betting this is the problem...

06-05-2002, 08:32 PM	#10
Naomi Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 34	Good page for traces here..... Good luck with your domain......

06-05-2002, 08:34 PM	#11
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	not seeing it either bro

06-05-2002, 08:41 PM	#13
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Your domain was EXPIRED. Record expires on 29-May-2002. I just tried renewing it, maybe that will help.

06-05-2002, 08:43 PM	#17
XXXPaysiteDesign Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 2,201	Not working here either __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

06-05-2002, 08:44 PM	#19
mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	showing us the 'whois' for five-elements.com doesn't help. here's secretcurves. bash-2.05a# whois secretcurves.com Whois Server Version 1.3 Domain names in the .com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information. Domain Name: SECRETCURVES.COM Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com Name Server: NS0.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM Name Server: NS1.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM Updated Date: 04-jun-2002 >>> Last update of whois database: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:44:24 EDT <<< The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and Registrars. The Data in the VeriSign Registrar WHOIS database is provided by VeriSign for information purposes only, and to assist persons in obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration record. VeriSign does not guarantee its accuracy. Additionally, the data may not reflect updates to billing contact information. By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree to use this Data only for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Data to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone, or facsimile; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to VeriSign (or its computer systems). The compilation, repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of VeriSign. VeriSign reserves the right to terminate your access to the VeriSign Registrar WHOIS database in its sole discretion, including without limitation, for excessive querying of the WHOIS database or for failure to otherwise abide by this policy. VeriSign reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy. Registrant: Five Elements Internet Services, Inc. (SECRETCURVES-DOM) 7601 36th Ave N #220 New Hope, MN 55427 US Domain Name: SECRETCURVES.COM Administrative Contact: Five Elements Internet Services, Inc. (S12783-OR) [email protected] Five Elements Internet Services, Inc. 7601 36th Ave N #220 New Hope, MN 55427 US (763) 595-9479 fax: 123 123 1234 Technical Contact: VeriSign, Inc. (HOST-ORG) [email protected] VeriSign, Inc. 21355 Ridgetop Circle Dulles, VA 20166 US 1-888-642-9675 fax: - [email protected] Record expires on 29-May-2002. Record created on 29-May-2001. Database last updated on 5-Jun-2002 23:42:56 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS0.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM 66.220.15.80 NS1.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM 206.191.246.3 the reason you don't get it is because your whois isn't hitting the master registry, which will then bounce you to the registrar that owns the record. __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

06-05-2002, 08:49 PM	#22
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Thank you for renewing your online services with VeriSign. Your renewal is confirmed and is summarized below. ORDER #: XXXXXXXXX DOMAIN NAME: SECRETCURVES.COM TERM: 5/29/02 to 5/29/03

06-05-2002, 08:51 PM	#23
Phil21 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ICQ: 25285313 Posts: 993	cough singer, if you would have taken that to the next logical step and queried those listed namservers directly you would see that we are indeed answering authoritive for this domain. Of course, that doesn't help much when the domain doesn't exist in the root servers any longer. ;) I wish this was my issue, I could fix it quicker. I can't say too much though, I've done the same and wondered wtf was wrong as well. Anyways, the rest can be taken private, no need to air anything on the boards here. Pete has my contact info (emergency and otherwise) and was in contact with me before this post. The real criminal is probably Verisign (as usual). I just transfered a few domains off them, and the fucking e-mail they send to approve the transfer is borderline criminal IMO. They basically send you a fucking SPAM with all the preachy "verisign rocks" BS all over it, then in the MIDDLE of the god damned e-mail, they have a paragraph blurb on how to approve your domain transfer out. I ignored the first couple I got of those as spam, and am sure others have done so as well. peace all, -Phil

06-05-2002, 08:52 PM	#25
Phil21 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ICQ: 25285313 Posts: 993	Oh, and MrFiction rocks. I owe you a beer (or $35). You got to it before I did. -Phil

06-05-2002, 08:52 PM	#26
SunTzu Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: the box Posts: 456	yeah I had a problem with netsol when I tried transfering a domain 2 weeks before it expired. After losing money to the new registrar I was trying to transfer to, Netsol sends me an email saying I have to transfer at least 30 days in advance. Gotta pay Netsol if you're in that time frame before you switch.

06-05-2002, 09:05 PM	#28
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	For your semi-important domains, you should sign up for the FREE Snap Names monitoring service. They email you if there are any changes to your domain registration, including expiring, change of owner, etc. For your really really important domains, you should spend the $69 and sign up for the Snap service that will monitor them and attempt to grab them if they drop. It's worth it for a few bucks. http://www.snapnames.com/

06-05-2002, 09:07 PM	#29
jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	6 23 ms 21 ms 20 ms 12.127.139.37 7 35 ms 18 ms 20 ms gbr6-p80.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.123.28.174] 8 55 ms 20 ms 19 ms tbr2-p013501.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.153] 9 18 ms 17 ms 18 ms ggr1-p3100.la2ca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.222] 10 29 ms 27 ms 27 ms att-gw.la.above.net [192.205.32.86] 11 32 ms 34 ms 38 ms pos2-0.mpr1.sjc2.us.mfnx.net [208.185.156.125] 12 28 ms 27 ms 31 ms so-1-1-0.mpr4.sjc2.us.mfnx.net [208.184.102.202] 13 36 ms 33 ms 32 ms pos6-0.mpr2.pao1.us.mfnx.net [208.185.175.162] 14 31 ms 30 ms 29 ms 209.249.24.136.he.net [209.249.24.136] 15 35 ms 36 ms 34 ms gige-g9-0.gsr12012.sjc.he.net [216.218.130.1] 16 85 ms 86 ms 86 ms oc3-pos1-0.7206vxr.chi.he.net [216.218.254.74] 17 81 ms 90 ms 83 ms socalsweets.com [66.220.15.69] Trace complete. __________________ Epic CashEpic Cash works for me Solar Cash Paysite Plugin Gallery of the day freesites,POTD,Gallery generator with free hosting

06-05-2002, 09:11 PM	#31
jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	C:\WINDOWS\Desktop>ping 66.220.15.80 Pinging 66.220.15.80 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 66.220.15.80: bytes=32 time=81ms TTL=239 Reply from 66.220.15.80: bytes=32 time=79ms TTL=239 Reply from 66.220.15.80: bytes=32 time=79ms TTL=239 Reply from 66.220.15.80: bytes=32 time=80ms TTL=239 Ping statistics for 66.220.15.80: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 79ms, Maximum = 81ms, Average = 79ms __________________ Epic CashEpic Cash works for me Solar Cash Paysite Plugin Gallery of the day freesites,POTD,Gallery generator with free hosting

06-05-2002, 09:18 PM	#32
Phil21 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ICQ: 25285313 Posts: 993	ah well, heading back to bed. Thanks again mrfiction. I think I may code something over the next week or so that will auto-notify customers if their domains they host with us are about to expire. As previously stated, it's about the last thing checked (even for me, when I've seen it a couple times now). Shouldn't be too much effort... Also, traceroute.org is another great place for traceroutes. thanks much (and thanks to the few people who ICQ'ed me talling me a customer was down and posting to GFY. At least someone is keeping me honest, eh?) ;) -Phil

06-05-2002, 10:15 PM	#35
PersianKitty Meow Media Inc. Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: In the valley of the sun, cactus, tacos, tequila, and nod Posts: 7,785	The whois I get shows it expires in 2003 Registrant: Five Elements Internet Services, Inc. (SECRETCURVES-DOM) 7601 36th Ave N #220 New Hope, MN 55427 US Domain Name: SECRETCURVES.COM Administrative Contact: Five Elements Internet Services, Inc. (S12783-OR) [email protected] Five Elements Internet Services, Inc. 7601 36th Ave N #220 New Hope, MN 55427 US (763) 595-9479 fax: 123 123 1234 Technical Contact: VeriSign, Inc. (HOST-ORG) [email protected] VeriSign, Inc. 21355 Ridgetop Circle Dulles, VA 20166 US 1-888-642-9675 fax: - [email protected] Record expires on 29-May-2003. Record created on 29-May-2001. Database last updated on 6-Jun-2002 01:13:41 EDT. Domain servers in listed order: NS0.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM 66.220.15.80 NS1.FIVE-ELEMENTS.COM 206.191.246.3

06-05-2002, 11:26 PM	#39
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Thanks PersianKitty... Mr. Fiction, how much did that renewal cost you? BTW: I just spent an hour going through all my junk email and damn if I could find any email from Verisign/Netsol -- it seems they totally ignored my transfer request. I've never had a problem transfering domains from them before -- I wonder if they just got more greedy.