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Capt. rold 07-09-2006 03:47 PM

there are some damn interesting titles posted here!

Adam_M 07-09-2006 03:49 PM

If you liked "The Art Of War" another great read is "Thick Face Black Heart"


This book is one of my all time favorites and complements The Art Of War perfectly :thumbsup

Pornwolf 07-09-2006 03:49 PM

"48 Laws of Power" is a must. So is "The Prince."

Webby 07-09-2006 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Soul
People really read those "success" books?

The "success biz" is mainly a North American phenomena, tho do sell in much reduced numbers elsewhere. Not a bad biz as long as you get others to do the work and write shit Mr S.

Usually the titles say it all - greenbacks, power, "my dick is bigger", how to impressive your friends. Basically stuff that appeals where a personality is deficient - the book will give ya some cred in your life :winkwink:

Big_Red 07-09-2006 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt. rold
there are some damn interesting titles posted here!

And I thank everyone for the suggestions. Bump for the night crew. I have a lot of reading to do. :upsidedow

$5 submissions 07-09-2006 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike AI
Read any book from Thomas Sowell.

You can read his weekly columns here:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/t.../archive.shtml

I'm a big Thomas Sowell fan as well. Right on!:thumbsup

Big_Red 07-10-2006 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam_WildCash
If you liked "The Art Of War" another great read is "Thick Face Black Heart"


This book is one of my all time favorites and complements The Art Of War perfectly :thumbsup

I am going to purchase it today. Thank you. :thumbsup

ADL Colin 07-10-2006 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Big_Red
Need a book that I can apply to life. I am thinking "The Prince." :thumbsup

"Hitler's Thirty Days to Power". ;-)

ADL Colin 07-10-2006 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike AI
Read any book from Thomas Sowell.

You can read his weekly columns here:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/t.../archive.shtml

I read his book on "Basic Economics". Good primer.

Also read "Inside American Education". Didn't really like it.

Big_Red 07-10-2006 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin
"Hitler's Thirty Days to Power". ;-)

ok lets not go that far. :1orglaugh

Big_Red 07-10-2006 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf
"48 Laws of Power" is a must. So is "The Prince."

I am on it like white on rice. :thumbsup

Mr. Blue 07-10-2006 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf
"48 Laws of Power" is a must.

That sounds like a good book...I'll add that to my reading list as well :thumbsup

Kevsh 07-10-2006 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by notabook
No, books are for people who enjoy ramming objects up their ass. Books have been known over the years to cause hemorrhoids in people as young as fifteen years of age. They have also been known to spontaneously combust into flames, often destroying their owner?s homes. Books are one of the biggest threats to humanity; only cats and hypocrites pose more of threat to our very existence as a species. If it doesn?t come on TV, or if you can?t watch a movie of it, then it just isn?t worth the risk of reading a book. Books pose far too much harm to human life; only a fool would risk his or her life by reading one. I do have to admit though I used to read books quite a bit when I was younger, especially the Bible. Although I can?t advocate reading books anymore, The Bible is one of the greatest books ever written, so much sex and violence that you can stay hard for hours on end, jerking off to story after story. Maybe I would have a different view on my books if my anal virginity had not been robbed from me by a copy of Jules Verne?s Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea though. After that incident happened, I realized the horrors that all books represent, especially hardbacks. ALL books have the potential to rape and kill you, but be especially wary of hardbacks.

Wow, lay off the crack pipe before posting, k?
That goes for making your sig too...

p.s. I read the Art of War way back and contrary to popular opinion, it was never designed to apply to all facets of your life. I love when you see CEOs etc proudly displaying this book in their office. A good sign the type of person you're dealing with ...

AOW is NOT about how to run a business, your life, marriage or anything else. It was written by a warlord on battle strategies a loooong time ago. And when people try to apply the theories to a corporate board room, it's a stretch to say the least.

Big_Red 07-11-2006 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevsh
Wow, lay off the crack pipe before posting, k?
That goes for making your sig too...

p.s. I read the Art of War way back and contrary to popular opinion, it was never designed to apply to all facets of your life. I love when you see CEOs etc proudly displaying this book in their office. A good sign the type of person you're dealing with ...

AOW is NOT about how to run a business, your life, marriage or anything else. It was written by a warlord on battle strategies a loooong time ago. And when people try to apply the theories to a corporate board room, it's a stretch to say the least.

Kevsh, can what book would you suggest? I was only reading the AOW at the time because pretty much I was in a war.

Rui 07-11-2006 06:06 AM

Following some of the advice on this thread I just read "The Richest Man in Babylon", cant say it added much to what I knew already but sure was a good reading for the nigth ;)

Rui 07-11-2006 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevsh
p.s. I read the Art of War way back and contrary to popular opinion, it was never designed to apply to all facets of your life. I love when you see CEOs etc proudly displaying this book in their office. A good sign the type of person you're dealing with ...

AOW is NOT about how to run a business, your life, marriage or anything else. It was written by a warlord on battle strategies a loooong time ago. And when people try to apply the theories to a corporate board room, it's a stretch to say the least.

Care to elaborate your idea about the book please?

Kevsh 07-11-2006 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Big_Red
Kevsh, can what book would you suggest? I was only reading the AOW at the time because pretty much I was in a war.

If you do like the war genre, try A Man Called Intrepid - the inside story on the espionage behind WWII. Great read.

For something that just has to be fiction, except it's all true, try Killing Pablo. It's a first-hand account of tracking down the notorious drug cartel boss Pablo Escobar. Literally, a cant-put-it-down type of book. Shocking at just how powerful he was and how scary it must have been (and still is?) to live in that part of the world.

ADL Colin 07-11-2006 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevsh
p.s. I read the Art of War way back and contrary to popular opinion, it was never designed to apply to all facets of your life. I love when you see CEOs etc proudly displaying this book in their office. A good sign the type of person you're dealing with ...

AOW is NOT about how to run a business, your life, marriage or anything else. It was written by a warlord on battle strategies a loooong time ago. And when people try to apply the theories to a corporate board room, it's a stretch to say the least.

Completely agree with you. A more modern general treatment and philosophy of war is "On War" by Clausewitz. Still a few hundred years old. An excellent read for those interested in such things. I imagine someone could also interpret Clausewitz' book in the same symbolic way that they do when they read Sun Tzu.

ADL Colin 07-11-2006 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevsh
If you do like the war genre, try A Man Called Intrepid - the inside story on the espionage behind WWII. Great read.

Looks really good. Just added it to my next Amazon order.

Za Ha 07-11-2006 06:19 AM

Good to Great
Fast Food Nation
are two that I wanna pick up for myself next.

Kevsh 07-11-2006 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rui
Care to elaborate your idea about the book please?

From memory, sorry, it was too long ago ... but here's a blurb from Wikipedia on it's use outside the military world. Note that this only became "fashionable" in the 80s and as such, it was quickly dissected into almost every part of life, not just corporate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art...e_the_military

My point was simply that it was written for military application. Anyone who tries to apply it to other parts of life (business, etc.) is reading something that isn't there.

Now if there are some similarities between strategies on the battle field and those in the corporate world, it is purely because as humans we tend to react the same in similar situations. (On the battlefield, a huge army approaches a lone man, he's likely to run. If Walmart opens shop beside a small mom-and-pop, he's likely to close his doors) ..

Does the owner of the mom-and-pop need to read Art of War to figure that out? Or was it natural instinct? Could he have better prepared for this by reading the book ...

Big_Red 07-11-2006 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevsh
If you do like the war genre, try A Man Called Intrepid - the inside story on the espionage behind WWII. Great read.

For something that just has to be fiction, except it's all true, try Killing Pablo. It's a first-hand account of tracking down the notorious drug cartel boss Pablo Escobar. Literally, a cant-put-it-down type of book. Shocking at just how powerful he was and how scary it must have been (and still is?) to live in that part of the world.

As I mentioned, I needed the AOW at the time because of the situation I was in. I did find that is does help in general life. Thank you for the suggestions. I will be reading alot the days ahead. lol

Now I am searching for "The Book." Not fiction, real life. The book that grabbed you by the nuts and wouldnt let go until you flipped its last page. The book that made a big change in your life, etc. And no I am not about the self help books. If that were the case I would join the Oprah book club. :1orglaugh

ADL Colin 07-11-2006 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Za Ha
Good to Great.

Good book. I'm gonna read "Built to Last" one of these days.

ADL Colin 07-11-2006 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Big_Red
The book that made a big change in your life, etc.

Ahh, here are two of mine:

"Influence" by Cialdini
"What do you care what other people think?" by Richard Feynman

babsy 07-11-2006 06:37 AM

This is a little different to the rest of the suggestions here, but the nerds amongst us will no doubt be kicking themselves THEY didn't suggest it.

The book you have to read is known in common parlance as GEB, or more formally, Gödel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid.

The linked article will expand on the content of this book, but to summarize it for you, if you take time to really read and understand GEB, everything you know about life itself will change. A pretty bold claim, but absolutely true nonetheless.

A warning: GEB is heavy going. Seriously. It's not a book to be taken lightly. There are courses at universities that dedicate an entire year to reading and studying this book. You, of course, don't need to take that long to read it, but when you're reading it, you're going to have to concentrate, and anything you don't understand, go back over. The author is remarkably adept at explaining some seriously complex shit in understandable terms, but even still, you're dealing with shit like set theory, mind-fucking paradoxes, isomorphism and the very nature of consciousness itself, from a mathematical perspective. Of course, if you make the effort and do get through it all, it will be one of the most rewarding experiences of your life, and as I already mentioned, your outlook on *everything* will change, not because it's full of mystical and spiritual wonder, but because goddamn, this book explains the fucking universe, and lets you in on the secret.

ADL Colin 07-11-2006 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by babsy

The book you have to read is known in common parlance as GEB, or more formally, Gödel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid.

Man, I LOVE that book.

MFXumeroth 07-11-2006 07:21 AM

Okay,

I am new, but I'll try to help, I may put the wrong book names here cause I am not american and the Titles may be different where I live, anyway...

-The Book of the Five Rings (As already said)

-The Prince (try to look for the one with Napoleons opnion, yes it exists, and I have a copy)

-Gates of Fire (tells the story of the Battle of Termophilae, it can be aplyed to lie a little)

-Stupid White Man (Michael Moore is great)

-Why Do men make sex and women make love? (Again it may be the wrong title in english, but I will try to look for the autors, Its a GREAT book to understand why man and women r so different, really awesome.)

-Mein Kampf(If u get past all the nazy crap it's a great book about determination)

-The Voice of Fire (Alan Moore is the king of Kings, really)

Okay, there r more books, but I am gonna look for it's english titles for you and bring em up soon, if u r into comics, there r some really great graphic novels u shuld look up:

-V for Vendetta - Alan Moore

-Watchmen - Alan Moore

-Miraclemen - Alan Moore

I am only bringing up those that can help in some aspects of life, not everything that comes into my mind as you might be thinking, hehehe.

Good Luck mate,

Xumeroth

Big_Red 07-11-2006 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babsy
This is a little different to the rest of the suggestions here, but the nerds amongst us will no doubt be kicking themselves THEY didn't suggest it.

The book you have to read is known in common parlance as GEB, or more formally, Gödel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid.

The linked article will expand on the content of this book, but to summarize it for you, if you take time to really read and understand GEB, everything you know about life itself will change. A pretty bold claim, but absolutely true nonetheless.

A warning: GEB is heavy going. Seriously. It's not a book to be taken lightly. There are courses at universities that dedicate an entire year to reading and studying this book. You, of course, don't need to take that long to read it, but when you're reading it, you're going to have to concentrate, and anything you don't understand, go back over. The author is remarkably adept at explaining some seriously complex shit in understandable terms, but even still, you're dealing with shit like set theory, mind-fucking paradoxes, isomorphism and the very nature of consciousness itself, from a mathematical perspective. Of course, if you make the effort and do get through it all, it will be one of the most rewarding experiences of your life, and as I already mentioned, your outlook on *everything* will change, not because it's full of mystical and spiritual wonder, but because goddamn, this book explains the fucking universe, and lets you in on the secret.

I am so glad you posted this. Thanks a bunch! :thumbsup

Big_Red 07-11-2006 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MFXumeroth

Good Luck mate,

Xumeroth

Thanks bud. :thumbsup

MFXumeroth 07-11-2006 12:44 PM

No problem mate,

But following the same riteria as the GEB over there, you have to take a look at Jorge Luis Borges books, I would begin with "the Aleph"
Seriously, your IQ will go up like 30 points after reading his books.

Stephen Hawkings is nice also, u should try it.

Big_Red 07-11-2006 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MFXumeroth
No problem mate,

But following the same riteria as the GEB over there, you have to take a look at Jorge Luis Borges books, I would begin with "the Aleph"
Seriously, your IQ will go up like 30 points after reading his books.

Stephen Hawkings is nice also, u should try it.

An IQ boost wont hurt anybody. lol I see you are in Brasil. Hope to visit there someday. :)

MFXumeroth 07-11-2006 01:33 PM

Anytime,

We will drink a beer or two when u come.

Hal 07-11-2006 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Elli
I'm almost done this one. It's quite fascinating. Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies

There is a 3 part documentary based on that book. Quite good.

BrettJ 07-11-2006 02:05 PM

Haven't seen anybody mention...

"Getting to Yes" by Roger Fisher and William Ury

For 7.95 - the advice and suggestions most of which are common sense but work as great reminders has probably created more wealth and solved more problems than any other book. It's also the most cited/referenced book by negotiating professionals - it'll help resolve conflict in all of your relationships from romantic to work to family and beyond.

Big_Red 07-11-2006 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrettJ
Haven't seen anybody mention...

"Getting to Yes" by Roger Fisher and William Ury

For 7.95 - the advice and suggestions most of which are common sense but work as great reminders has probably created more wealth and solved more problems than any other book. It's also the most cited/referenced book by negotiating professionals - it'll help resolve conflict in all of your relationships from romantic to work to family and beyond.

Very interesting indeed. I will be looking into it. Thanks! :thumbsup

ElvisManson 07-11-2006 02:17 PM

http://www.boundless.org/2001/depart.../a0000588.html

http://www.boundless.org/2001/images...reud_image.jpg

babsy 07-11-2006 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MFXumeroth
No problem mate,

But following the same riteria as the GEB over there, you have to take a look at Jorge Luis Borges books, I would begin with "the Aleph"
Seriously, your IQ will go up like 30 points after reading his books.

Stephen Hawkings is nice also, u should try it.

Didn't he write mostly in Spanish? Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not really all that familiar with his work. Translations are a funny thing. All too often a language will have a concept that simply doesn't have an equivalent in another language. Good translations usually involve the author themselves, allowing them the opportunity to reword (in presumably a more translatable way) their original idea.

MFXumeroth 07-12-2006 04:09 AM

Indeed he wrote all of his books in spanish, but I am sure the translations to english would not be that tough, I am from Brasil and I can translate most everything to english with no problems, considering that spanish is not tht different from protuguese I guess it would not be that bad. Although reading a book at the author original language is a new experience altogether. i.e: Frankenstein and Silmarillion.

Big_Red 07-18-2006 07:45 AM

read through two books already. anybody have anymore suggestions?

MFXumeroth 07-18-2006 07:48 AM

Which ones u read?

TheLegacy 07-18-2006 07:49 AM

The Art Of Peace

Big_Red 07-18-2006 07:51 AM

"The Prince", "Getting to yes." And now I started on the "The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People."

I do not want to stop. I need good reads. If anyone can give some more input. It would be sincerely appreciated.

Big_Red 07-18-2006 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheLegacy
The Art Of Peace

Nah, you can get that out of the "Art of War" if you read it deeply. :winkwink:

MFXumeroth 07-18-2006 07:52 AM

There is about 100 good books on this thread alone, chose some more of them.

Big_Red 07-18-2006 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MFXumeroth
There is about 100 good books on this thread alone, chose some more of them.

I have bought most of them that would pertain to what I need. That is why I am asking for more. Nothing else. Just need some good help, from great people. Thank you GFY. :thumbsup

Karomeesis 07-18-2006 07:57 AM

Khalil gibran.....The Prophet.

Carl Sagan....Demon Haunted World

Stephen Hhawking.....A breif history of time

Marquis De sade.....Julliette

LadyMischief 07-18-2006 08:00 AM

Sun Tzu is some good light reading lol!

Big_Red 07-18-2006 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LadyMischief
Sun Tzu is some good light reading lol!

If you would have read the entire post. You would have seen that I was in a time in my life that I needed that book. Now time to move on. I want real books that apply to real life. :thumbsup

Karomeesis 07-18-2006 08:05 AM

if you really wanna get in depth...try

Anthropic Bias: Observational selection effects in philosophy and science by Nick bostrom.:thumbsup

Big_Red 07-18-2006 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Karomeesis
if you really wanna get in depth...try

Anthropic Bias: Observational selection effects in philosophy and science by Nick bostrom.:thumbsup

Its not something I will need a PHD to get through is it? :1orglaugh But hey, I am a deep person. So yes I am interested.


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