European countries crime rates worse than USA

[Splum]

No shit? I still cant believe all the bad things I am reading about Europe lately, what the fuck is going on over there?
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Here are Interpol 2001 crime statistics (rate per 100,000):
* 4161 - US
* 7736 - Germany
* 6941 - France
* 9927 - England and Wales

http://www.tinyvital.com/BlogArchives/000220.html

[Webby]

These stats.. for all countries you just listed... are a load of crap.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Webby

These stats.. for all countries you just listed... are a load of crap.

Enlighten me.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Splum

No shit? I still cant believe all the bad things I am reading about Europe lately, what the fuck is going on over there?
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Here are Interpol 2001 crime statistics (rate per 100,000):
* 4161 - US
* 7736 - Germany
* 6941 - France
* 9927 - England and Wales

http://www.tinyvital.com/BlogArchives/000220.html

Yea but ours were probably all homicides

[Theo]

lol they exclude blacks from the statistics with this lame excuse:

"Thus if you remove homicides committed by blacks (total: 21862, Blacks:9316), and assume a proportionality between number of offenders and number of offenses, you can extrapolate US homicide offender rate of only 2.6/100,000, lower than Germany (3.27) and France (3.91).

One might ask why blacks are singled out. The reason is that inner city blacks are not representative of our culture"

[ravid]

What about USA? I'm glad I'm cosy in Australia

[E$_manager]

i don't believe stats but this is possible.

[Theo]

its possible if you exclude all blacks in usa

otherwise, US crime rate is 3x higher than the one in germany and more likely 10-20x higher than many EU countries.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

lol they exclude blacks from the statistics with this lame excuse:

"Thus if you remove homicides committed by blacks (total: 21862, Blacks:9316), and assume a proportionality between number of offenders and number of offenses, you can extrapolate US homicide offender rate of only 2.6/100,000, lower than Germany (3.27) and France (3.91).

One might ask why blacks are singled out. The reason is that inner city blacks are not representative of our culture"

Uhh thats not true there bud, the OVERALL stats include all races, they are breaking it down by race later, you are MISQUOTING lol.

[babedirect]

Viva La Mexico!

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

its possible if you exclude all blacks in usa

otherwise, US crime rate is 3x higher than the one in germany and more likely 10-20x higher than many EU countries.

Lol you are way off base there man read the WHOLE thing, the part you are claiming they dont include blacks they actually do then seperate it by race later on so you are taking WAY out of context.

[Theo]

racists!!!!!!!!!!!

[Theo]

seriously now,i would like to see the interpol data,if you check their site it says "The International Crime Statistics are only available to authorised police users."

if you look these numbers on google,you'll see they do not appear that valid

http://tim.2wgroup.com/blog/archives/000766.html

[MaddCaz]

Germany?? That's crazy!!!

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel

seriously now,i would like to see the interpol data,if you check their site it says "The International Crime Statistics are only available to authorised police users."

if you look these numbers on google,you'll see they do not appear that valid

http://tim.2wgroup.com/blog/archives/000766.html

Huh those numbers are the same as the ones cited in my original thread. Just because they closed the numbers to the general public in recent years does not negate the fact that EUROPES CRIME RATES ARE HIGHER THAN THE USA.

[notabook]

Those stats do not include violent crimes, or if they do they are definitely lying out of their ass. Let?s get into murder a bit shall we? All the following data can be pulled from nationmaster, and all data is at least from the year 2k and up.

Washington, DC has one of the highest murder rates in the developed world at around 50 per 100,000, which is more than a HUNDRED TIMES that of the capital of the European Union, Brussels. The highest rate I could find for a comparably large city in Europe was Moscow, and it is only 15 per 100k! Largest Canadian city?s homicide rate I could find was Regina?s, which was at 4.72. They don?t kill people at all in Canada

The top 10 countries on total murders per year:
India ? 37,170
Russia
Colombia
South Africa ? 21,995
Mexico
United States ? 12,658
Venezuela
Thailand
Ukraine
Indonesia ? 2,204

On that same list France?s murders per year were at 1,051, Germany?s at 960, and the UK?s was at 850.

Breaking it down per population capita, we have the following:
USA: Around 4.2802 per million are murdered.
Germany: Around 1.16461 per million are murdered.
France: Around 1.73272 per million are murdered.
UK: Around 1.40633 per million are murdered.

So there you have it. You are about 4x more likely to get murdered in the USA than you are in Germany, France, or the UK. I could do the above for each of these countries on other violent crimes such as rape and other violent crimes but I can assure you the USA would win again out of these four choices ^_^ USA, USA! We R? dey WINNARS!

[Splum]

Originally Posted by notabook

So there you have it. You are about 4x more likely to get murdered in the USA than you are in Germany, France, or the UK. I could do the above for each of these countries on other violent crimes such as rape and other violent crimes but I can assure you the USA would win again out of these four choices ^_^ USA, USA! We R? dey WINNARS!

You are absolutely right NATIONMASTER is a better source than INTERPOL hands down. Also NOTE THE THREAD SAID CRIME RATES not violent crime rates. I can almost gaurantee you some of those crimes are burgleries etc.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ies-per-capita
You are more likely to get mugged in Europe than in the USA.

[Splum]

You are twice as more likely to be raped in Canada than USA lol, fucking pervs ;)
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...pes-per-capita

[Theo]

that's because they have increased libido lol

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by Splum

You are twice as more likely to be raped in Canada than USA lol, fucking pervs ;)

Do they include Moose in that statistic?

[notabook]

Originally Posted by Splum

You are absolutely right NATIONMASTER is a better source than INTERPOL hands down. Also NOTE THE THREAD SAID CRIME RATES not violent crime rates. I can almost gaurantee you some of those crimes are burgleries etc.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ies-per-capita
You are more likely to get mugged in Europe than in the USA.

I don't mind getting mugged you fucking tool. I care about my LIFE, not my possessions. Go suck a cock moron.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Splum

Enlighten me.

Ya pulled a load of stuff from a blog where someone was on an "agenda" to prove something.

Take what appears to be the worst stat - the UK - basically that says almost 10% of the population have committed some crime - and, to top that, this is supposed to be an annual stat???

No country in the western world (and slim chance of elsewhere) has a crime stat near 10%.

You'd need to do some research on this over countries Splum.. but just asked a law person who knows of one country well and that is miles out from what is known by law enforcement in that country - they'd have a severe jail accomodation problem if that was the case

Other bits apparently are.. some areas count each "offense", others count multiple instances of the same offense multiple times and there are also regional variations on the recording of crime. Some nations don't include offenses committed by "minors", others do etc. There are also geo differences in reporting of crime - ie some folks regard stuff as petty and don't bother reporting it. It really needs a good bit of work to extract comparable international stats.

The US stats alone really need qualifying and come from the FBI's Uniform Crime Report and the National Crime Victimization Survey (Bureau of Justice Stats).

One thing that is known is that South Africa has a crime rate above almost all other countries.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by notabook

I don't mind getting mugged you fucking tool. I care about my LIFE, not my possessions. Go suck a cock moron.

What the fuck is your problem fuck twat? Why are you getting hostile, must be from Europe ehh?

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Webby

Ya pulled a load of stuff from a blog where someone was on an "agenda" to prove something.

Take what appears to be the worst stat - the UK - basically that says almost 10% of the population have committed some crime - and, to top that, this is supposed to be an annual stat???

No country in the western world (and slim chance of elsewhere) has a crime stat near 10%.

You'd need to do some research on this over countries Splum.. but just asked a law person who knows of one country well and that is miles out from what is known by law enforcement in that country - they'd have a severe jail accomodation problem if that was the case

Other bits apparently are.. some areas count each "offense", others count multiple instances of the same offense multiple times and there are also regional variations on the recording of crime. Some nations don't include offenses committed by "minors", others do etc. There are also geo differences in reporting of crime - ie some folks regard stuff as petty and don't bother reporting it. It really needs a good bit of work to extract comparable international stats.

The US stats alone really need qualifying and come from the FBI's Uniform Crime Report and the National Crime Victimization Survey (Bureau of Justice Stats).

One thing that is known is that South Africa has a crime rate above almost all other countries.

I dont think that blog has an agenda I think that when you add ALL CRIME together those stats are somewhat accurate.
Some countries have stiffer "rules of law" obviously, I just get tired of hearing Europe is better this and that and the other thing. Look the bottom line is Europe is no better than the USA when it comes to alot of things.

[notabook]

Originally Posted by Splum

What the fuck is your problem fuck twat? Why are you getting hostile, must be from Europe ehh?

It doesn't matter what country I'm from, I just don't like your little skewed bullshit 'stats' trying to show how America is all lovely dovey when compared to European countries. 'Crime? does not equate to VIOLENT CRIME. In particular, violent crimes in which you DIE. Getting mugged sucks, but your possessions can be replaced. YOUR LIFE CANNOT. You are 4x more likely to lose what you CANNOT REPLACE in America than you are in Germany, France, or the UK. So assfuck, what place should you feel safer in? A place where the maximum that?s going to happen is you get robbed (probably at knife point lmao) by someone with the most courteous of manners, or a place where after they rob you they shoot you in your fucking face? I think I made my point.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Splum

I dont think that blog has an agenda I think that when you add ALL CRIME together those stats are somewhat accurate.
Some countries have stiffer "rules of law" obviously, I just get tired of hearing Europe is better this and that and the other thing. Look the bottom line is Europe is no better than the USA when it comes to alot of things.

Ah.. You just declared you are on an agenda yourself So.. basically anything that is said is meaningless unless it conforms to your agenda.

So.. little point in this thread, is there?

OK.. Simplified, but even this is probably not even accurate - forget "reported crime" and concentrate on actual convictions for a crime. A quick and easy measure is a count of actual convictions in a year for "something"?

Try this..

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ted-per-capita

[Splum]

Originally Posted by notabook

It doesn't matter what country I'm from, I just don't like your little skewed bullshit 'stats' trying to show how America is all lovely dovey when compared to European countries. 'Crime? does not equate to VIOLENT CRIME. In particular, violent crimes in which you DIE. Getting mugged sucks, but your possessions can be replaced. YOUR LIFE CANNOT. You are 4x more likely to lose what you CANNOT REPLACE in America than you are in Germany, France, or the UK. So assfuck, what place should you feel safer in? A place where the maximum that?s going to happen is you get robbed (probably at knife point lmao) by someone with the most courteous of manners, or a place where after they rob you they shoot you in your fucking face? I think I made my point.

Give me a break you fucking newbie ass sig whore, dont reply in a thread where you have to pick and choose this stat or that stat CRIME IS FUCKING CRIME, like lets say I kick your fucking ass, that still will hurt you and would be a CRIME, or lets say I bend you the fuck over and rape your newbie asshole, that also would be a crime(but with your cock sucking attitude I bet its not the first time youve had your fudge packed), you have NO POINT FOR THIS THREAD, go start a thread about how violent crime in America is 4x more than Europe.

Matter of fact looking at your posts you are probably a fucking surfer. CLUEPON son this is an adult webmaster board not MichaelMoore.com Move along son.

[giftedtwisted]

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Webby

Ah.. You just declared you are on an agenda yourself So.. basically anything that is said is meaningless unless it conforms to your agenda. So.. little point in this thread, is there?
OK.. Simplified, but even this is probably not even accurate - forget "reported crime" and concentrate on actual convictions for a crime. A quick and easy measure is a count of actual convictions in a year for "something"?Try this..
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ted-per-capita

Wouldnt that mean they are CONVICTED?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ted-per-capita
See we can slice and dice this any way you want, you can find numbers to support the fact that you think America sucks and I can find statistics to prove America doesnt suck. Thing is the thread states EUROPEAN COUNTRIES CRIME RATES WORSE THAN USA and you have yet to prove to me otherwise, the burden is on you. ALL CRIME, dont pick and choose. Kthx.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Splum

CLUEPON son this is an adult webmaster board not MichaelMoore.com Move along son.

Yea.. forget it! You are not interested in anything to do with crime stats - you just want to make unqualified statements to prove something.

No.. overall, you are basically wrong. The EU overall does not have "worse stats" than the US - in fact "better".

If you chose South Africa, it may have been another story.

So basically... pointless thread man.

[notabook]

Originally Posted by Splum

lmao I typed sum stuff I so cool!

Whatever, fuck off you piece of shit. A crime is NOT just a crime you fucking idiot. There is an INTENTIONAL separation of the crimes statistically dipshit, from normal crimes to violent crimes. THEY DO THIS FOR A REASON YOU FUCKING MORON. Even if you DO get raped during the process of a muggin, you are STILL NOT DEAD. You are the only one evidently posting here thinking that just because muggings happen with more regularity in some parts of Europe than in the USA that somehow magically makes it the same thing as a VIOLENT CRIME of MURDER. It doesn?t, and no asshat other than yourself would think that. You are far more likely to get killed in America than you are in nearly any other industrialized ?civilized? nation. I only counted two or three (Russia, Mexico are the only big names that I see on the list) major countries that has more murders per capita than the good old US of A.

As for the other posts I make here at gfy, they are not relevant to this thread. So stay on topic or shut the fuck up.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Webby

Yea.. forget it! You are not interested in anything to do with crime stats - you just want to make unqualified statements to prove something.
No.. overall, you are basically wrong. The EU overall does not have "worse stats" than the US - in fact "better".
If you chose South Africa, it may have been another story.
So basically... pointless thread man.

Oh webby I love it when you lose an argument you become so self delusional. Im just wrong because you say so. Got it.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Splum

Wouldnt that mean they are CONVICTED?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ted-per-capita
See we can slice and dice this any way you want, you can find numbers to support the fact that you think America sucks and I can find statistics to prove America doesnt suck. Thing is the thread states EUROPEAN COUNTRIES CRIME RATES WORSE THAN USA and you have yet to prove to me otherwise, the burden is on you. ALL CRIME, dont pick and choose. Kthx.

Yes.. correct.. convicted. What's your problem with that?

There is nothing to slice and dice.

You made your thread title up out of a load of blog crap which does not even agree with the US stats, nevermind any other country.

You claim, be self-admission, you are on an agenda to prove something - namely that "EUROPEAN COUNTRIES CRIME RATES WORSE THAN USA". You sure have not done that - and sure as hell I'm not going to do it for you.

You started this thread by stating obvious crap - carry on and finish it

[Splum]

Originally Posted by notabook

A crime is NOT just a crime you fucking idiot.

Lol O'RLY? What is a crime than, an apple pie? tube of k-y jelly? At first I was mad at cha, now I know you are just an idiot lol.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Splum

Oh webby I love it when you lose an argument you become so self delusional. Im just wrong because you say so. Got it.

Oh Gawd... why it is that folks become "delusional" and there is claims to "losing an arguement" when there is no credibility to your posts?

Never fails - it's always the same cliched words that come out.

Try one level lower next and talk about Michael Moore and liberals and other irrelevant shit

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Splum

What is a crime than, an apple pie? tube of k-y jelly?

A crime is an idiot with a mouth on GFY

Freedom of expression used to be such a good idea

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Webby

Yes.. correct.. convicted. What's your problem with that?
There is nothing to slice and dice.

Crime Statistics > Total crimes (per capita) by country
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...mes-per-capita
#1 Dominica 113.822 per 1,000 people
#2 New Zealand 105.881 per 1,000 people
#3 Finland 101.526 per 1,000 people
#4 Denmark 92.8277 per 1,000 people
#5 Chile 88.226 per 1,000 people
#6 United Kingdom 85.5517 per 1,000 people
#7 Montserrat 80.3982 per 1,000 people
#8 United States 80.0645 per 1,000 people
#9 Netherlands 79.5779 per 1,000 people
#10 South Africa 77.1862 per 1,000 people
#11 Germany 75.9996 per 1,000 people
#12 Canada 75.4921 per 1,000 people
#13 Norway 71.8639 per 1,000 people


PS. Kiss my American ass.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Splum

Crime Statistics > Total crimes (per capita) by country
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...mes-per-capita
#1 Dominica 113.822 per 1,000 people
#2 New Zealand 105.881 per 1,000 people
#3 Finland 101.526 per 1,000 people
#4 Denmark 92.8277 per 1,000 people
#5 Chile 88.226 per 1,000 people
#6 United Kingdom 85.5517 per 1,000 people
#7 Montserrat 80.3982 per 1,000 people
#8 United States 80.0645 per 1,000 people
#9 Netherlands 79.5779 per 1,000 people
#10 South Africa 77.1862 per 1,000 people
#11 Germany 75.9996 per 1,000 people
#12 Canada 75.4921 per 1,000 people
#13 Norway 71.8639 per 1,000 people


PS. Kiss my American ass.

Yes??? And so?? What exactly is your point?

Sure can't see anything to shout about - can you?

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Webby

Yes??? And so?? What exactly is your point?
Sure can't see anything to shout about - can you?

TOTAL CRIMES

#3 Finland 101.526 per 1,000 people
#4 Denmark 92.8277 per 1,000 people
#6 United Kingdom 85.5517 per 1,000 people
#9 Netherlands 79.5779 per 1,000 people
#11 Germany 75.9996 per 1,000 people
#13 Norway 71.8639 per 1,000 people


#8 United States 80.0645 per 1,000 people

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Splum

TOTAL CRIMES

#3 Finland 101.526 per 1,000 people
#4 Denmark 92.8277 per 1,000 people
#6 United Kingdom 85.5517 per 1,000 people
#9 Netherlands 79.5779 per 1,000 people
#11 Germany 75.9996 per 1,000 people
#13 Norway 71.8639 per 1,000 people


#8 United States 80.0645 per 1,000 people

And you are claiming on that basis that this in some way justifies your statement that Europe has a worse crime rate than the US??

No man.. it clearly does not.

[notabook]

Originally Posted by Splum

Lol O'RLY? What is a crime than, an apple pie? tube of k-y jelly? At first I was mad at cha, now I know you are just an idiot lol.

Listen Oreilly, I understand you are mentally challenged and don't quite grasp the concept of 'levels' of crime. I'll try to explain it to you as simply as I can, so PLEASE bear with me.

Crime is Bad.
Some Crimes are Worse.
Violent Crimes are the Worst.

Here is a bar graph for you, it has pretty colors.


Anyways, it is clear that there is a HUGE gap between the truly horrific violent crimes between Europe and North America (minus Canada). While Europe seems to have more petty crimes, they mainly do not end in death (as shown earlier, using all those lovely little statically numbers you love so well). Instead of arguing like a bunch of Jews about who gets the last bagel, we should be asking ourselves exactly WHY that is. Why does the majority of North America seem more statistically violent than all of Europe (minus the motherland)? Why can Europeans stop at just getting the money? Why do Americans and Mexicans feel the need to murder their victims afterwards? Is it they believe they have a lesser chance of getting caught, or is it something more sinister that is in our culture?

[Joe Citizen]

Originally Posted by Splum

See we can slice and dice this any way you want, you can find numbers to support the fact that you think America sucks and I can find statistics to prove America doesnt suck. Thing is the thread states EUROPEAN COUNTRIES CRIME RATES WORSE THAN USA and you have yet to prove to me otherwise, the burden is on you. ALL CRIME, dont pick and choose. Kthx.

Try getting some up to date statistics: http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/12/crime.rate/index.html

[Webby]

Splum:

OK... dunno why I'm bothering to take you seriously...

The stats page you used, or "preferred" to use
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...mes-per-capita

(and.. sure as hell not claiming that is accurate)

actually shows that the EU has total crimes per capita of 49.2138 while the US is quoted at 80.0645.

There are also massive underlying differences in crime, the crimes themselves and the treatment of crime reporting - so even that is open to speculation.

But please - don't use a load of bullshit to go on some weak agenda. If you have any serious interest in crime rates - fine - but otherwise what's the point?

Who gives a shit whether the EU is "better" than the "US" or not?

[Mefo]

lol so those stats also include speeding etc? That might explain the high numbers in the netherlands =)


Anyway I doubt any of those stats are correct, especially if you pull them off from some blog/free site. I think this is one is most correct though: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...ted-per-capita people who are actually prosecuted all the other stuff is just a minor crime...

[Splum]

Originally Posted by notabook

Listen Oreilly, I understand you are mentally challenged and don't quite grasp the concept of 'levels' of crime. I'll try to explain it to you as simply as I can, so PLEASE bear with me.

Can you read retard? Look at the title of the thread. Fuck you and your "levels of crimes". My stats correspond with my assertion in the title.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Webby

Splum:
OK... dunno why I'm bothering to take you seriously...
The stats page you used, or "preferred" to use
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...mes-per-capita
(and.. sure as hell not claiming that is accurate)
actually shows that the EU a total crimes per capita of 49.2138 while the US is quoted at 80.0645.

EU a total crimes per capita of 49.2138? Whered you get this figure plz.

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Joe Citizen

Try getting some up to date statistics: http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/06/12/crime.rate/index.html

Nationmaster seems to have updated statistics from many countries, sorry Wolf Blitzer.

[Kimo]

stats dont say much

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Splum

Can you read retard? Look at the title of the thread. Fuck you and your "levels of crimes". My stats correspond with my assertion in the title.

Yes.. it does reach the level of "can you read retard?" when there is little to say.

"LEVELS OF CRIME" is exactly what you have been posting about in this thread.

You have been trying to concoct some set of stats to make invalid claims. You started with a stupid blog - then took up nationmaster.com to prove your agenda, but even that does not support your claims.

So.. what the hell.

[Webby]

Originally Posted by Splum

EU a total crimes per capita of 49.2138? Whered you get this figure plz.

Add them up - it's fairly easy!


That is.. assuming you know where Europe is