Question to all affiliates: Why do you dig NATS? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

woj · 06-30-2006, 12:24 PM

Fifty......,.

gooddomains · 06-30-2006, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin

I've never done that good with proggies using nats...

Still quite a number of affiliates are only looking for NATS based programs.

gooddomains · 06-30-2006, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

Fifty......,.

woj, I knew you would show up

JD · 06-30-2006, 12:28 PM

if ccbill offered the same bells and whistles NATS/MPA3 did, i'd use it more than anything else. but it doesn't so I like NATS/MPA3 more.

vanillaice · 06-30-2006, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by gooddomains

That is a very wise thing to do regardless of any affiliate software used.

Fraud protection is good, but why would I not get paid until a user logs into the members area?

Also, is it true that if a user signs up to two sites in the same network in the same month, I only get credit for one sale?

gooddomains · 06-30-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by vanillaice

Fraud protection is good, but why would I not get paid until a user logs into the members area?

Also, is it true that if a user signs up to two sites in the same network in the same month, I only get credit for one sale?

The first thing is very easy to answer, as paysite owner you best refund any subscriptions that are not used, they will end up being cbs anyway.

The second one I don't know an answer too.

gooddomains · 06-30-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

if ccbill offered the same bells and whistles NATS/MPA3 did, i'd use it more than anything else. but it doesn't so I like NATS/MPA3 more.

On the affiliate level, which bells and whistles are it, that you like ?

vanillaice · 06-30-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gooddomains

The first thing is very easy to answer, as paysite owner you best refund any subscriptions that are not used, they will end up being cbs anyway.

The second one I don't know an answer too.

Ahh that makes sense then.

I'm not sure if NATS is the only one to use that type of protection though, maybe most do. If not, stuff like that could be why people see a decline in ratios with a NATS switch, although it does hurt affiliates bottom pockets, protecting against fraud in this biz is extremely important for the long term.

As long as the fraud protection can be explained though, and you made a point about the chargebacks.

Mr. Blue · 06-30-2006, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gooddomains

But from the thread titles on GFY recently you can see that people are actively looking for NATS based programs, there must be some reason for this.

NATS had an interesting marketing idea when they came out and played into a lot of people's concerns regarding shaving. So, all the guys that were pulling conversion ratios of 1:1800 or higher decided to blame whatever system they were on at the time and not look at other factors for their poor performance.

I think the newness of the NATs is wearing off and the same guys that had suck ass ratios 8 months ago, still have suckass ratios now and there might be the light dawning on some people that the system used by a sponsor isn't as important as other factors (sponsor saturation, niche, your traffic source, etc, etc).

As I said, right now, I'm doing great with CCbill sponsors, the month before my top sponsor was an MPA3 sponsor, who knows what system will come out on top next month, but I know one thing for sure, I'll never pick or decline a sponsor just based on the system they're using...that's just crazy.

JD · 06-30-2006, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gooddomains

On the affiliate level, which bells and whistles are it, that you like ?

campaigns,refering urls for clicks and sales, traffic break down (1st/2nd/join hits)

JD · 06-30-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

campaigns,refering urls for clicks and sales, traffic break down (1st/2nd/join hits)

and that most of the tools in the majority of NATS/MPA3 setups all work the same. CCBill people use all sorts of wacked shit and it's hard to get shit right, plus, the programs that use ccbill, and don't generate the links for you, make me cry. I can't count how many times I've fucked up the ccbill id, sent a shitload of traffic then realized the ID was off by 1 digit or something

gooddomains · 07-01-2006, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

and that most of the tools in the majority of NATS/MPA3 setups all work the same. CCBill people use all sorts of wacked shit and it's hard to get shit right, plus, the programs that use ccbill, and don't generate the links for you, make me cry. I can't count how many times I've fucked up the ccbill id, sent a shitload of traffic then realized the ID was off by 1 digit or something

That is an very easy to understand advantage of NATS

scottybuzz · 07-01-2006, 03:39 AM

wow at last a good thread from gooddomains, well done man

d00t · 07-01-2006, 06:08 AM

Like a mcdonalds cheeseburger - NATS may not be the best solution out there but it does the job and has great marketing and the right people behind it.

So long as people are enjoying their 2 cent cheeseburgers and don't realise what else is out there they will always be happy

A sponsor will never come out and say ...'oh...nats sucks there are better scripts around' - so the whole effect snowballs into one giant success - for NATS owners ;)

fris · 07-01-2006, 10:27 AM

its not bulky like all the others, i can login, boom boom boom and have all the tools, very easy to use as well. complicated stuff sucks when you need all your promo material fast.

gooddomains · 07-02-2006, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Fris

its not bulky like all the others, i can login, boom boom boom and have all the tools, very easy to use as well. complicated stuff sucks when you need all your promo material fast.

Very good points. Thx for the reply

gooddomains · 07-02-2006, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by d00t

Like a mcdonalds cheeseburger - NATS may not be the best solution out there but it does the job and has great marketing and the right people behind it.

So long as people are enjoying their 2 cent cheeseburgers and don't realise what else is out there they will always be happy

A sponsor will never come out and say ...'oh...nats sucks there are better scripts around' - so the whole effect snowballs into one giant success - for NATS owners ;)

What scripts do you think are better than NATS? Really want to know.

gooddomains · 07-02-2006, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

wow at last a good thread from gooddomains, well done man

Thx. Besides wastimg my time on GFY I actually also work something (sometimes at least).

georgeyw · 07-02-2006, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The Heron

Because they like getting 999 different checks.
Or they enjoy logging into 9999 different sites to check stats and get link codes.
Or they don't realize that most nats program use ccbill as a primary processor and stupidly think that nats is getting them more signups.

On second thought those might be reasons people don't like nats...

These are the reasons i dislike NATS...

Every man and their dog are opening up programs and it shits me to tears - atleast CCBill has an enormous number of sponsors you can promote from the ONE admin.

gooddomains · 07-02-2006, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

These are the reasons i dislike NATS...

Every man and their dog are opening up programs and it shits me to tears - atleast CCBill has an enormous number of sponsors you can promote from the ONE admin.

I can hear you on this one.

Theo · 07-02-2006, 06:35 AM

campaigns tracking is vital if you want to maximize your earnings

flashbang · 07-02-2006, 07:11 AM

I don't see NATS and go, oh I gotta signup... or look for NATS when signing up. I don't think it does anything from an affiliate standpoint. Maybe the pro's and cons if any are for things like the modules for FHG database exports etc... Where I know I can export the data in the form I want, but actually see some NATS using sponsors who dont have this functionality so I guess that makes that point invalid

Also seen many Nats setups that don't offer things like referring tracking that is a neccessity and also I see some nats stats report 1/10th of others, so those are things that turn me off more than turn me on... cuz i start suspecting soemthing when its different everywhere

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07-02-2006, 07:11 AM	#72
flashbang Confirmed User Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 767	I don't see NATS and go, oh I gotta signup... or look for NATS when signing up. I don't think it does anything from an affiliate standpoint. Maybe the pro's and cons if any are for things like the modules for FHG database exports etc... Where I know I can export the data in the form I want, but actually see some NATS using sponsors who dont have this functionality so I guess that makes that point invalid Also seen many Nats setups that don't offer things like referring tracking that is a neccessity and also I see some nats stats report 1/10th of others, so those are things that turn me off more than turn me on... cuz i start suspecting soemthing when its different everywhere __________________ Your TGP traffic belongs to you again \| X Rated Words & Hard Links

06-30-2006, 12:28 PM	#54
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	if ccbill offered the same bells and whistles NATS/MPA3 did, i'd use it more than anything else. but it doesn't so I like NATS/MPA3 more.

07-01-2006, 06:08 AM	#64
d00t Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In your mind Posts: 3,766	Like a mcdonalds cheeseburger - NATS may not be the best solution out there but it does the job and has great marketing and the right people behind it. So long as people are enjoying their 2 cent cheeseburgers and don't realise what else is out there they will always be happy A sponsor will never come out and say ...'oh...nats sucks there are better scripts around' - so the whole effect snowballs into one giant success - for NATS owners ;)

07-02-2006, 06:35 AM	#71
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	campaigns tracking is vital if you want to maximize your earnings