Just how tolerant are you?

[SleazyDream]

curious


how do you act and react to people that dissgree with you on religion, politics, sexuality, personal expression, etc?

[BoyAlley]

I'm accepting (much better word than "tolerant" imho) of people until they try to limit MY freedoms and rights based on THEIR views.

This is why I think all christian conservative republicans need fed to lions.

[NoWhErE]

It depends on how they disagree.

If they attack me because they disagree, then it is ignorance.

If they disagree but let me be, then we live in harmony.






Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.
- Albert Einstein

[Gabriel]

Live and let live (as long as it doesn't affect me).

[NoWhErE]

Oh, and don't wanna hi-jack your thread sleazy, but could ya take a peak at this thread?

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/627427-tgp-owners-help-poor-brotha.html

I'd greatly appreciate it

And say Hi To RRRED whenever you see her, I haven't seen her online in a bit

[BoyAlley]

[Halcyon]

I believe that everyone is the result of their biology and socialization.

So while I often disgree with people, I still love them and try to understand that their perspectives are a result of their path.

I'm also well aware that my perspectives are a result of MY path...so it is ridiculous to be overly adamant about any of my own beliefs, too.

Wise men rarely argue.

[MaddCaz]

of dumb motherfuckers? Not very

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

I'm accepting (much better word than "tolerant" imho) of people until they try to limit MY freedoms and rights based on THEIR views.

This is why I think all christian conservative republicans need fed to lions.

you are 100% disrespectful and contemptuous of the views of others whose views differ from yours. while you believe your "Freedoms" are being limited, as you put it, you summarily ignore the arguements fo the other side because you firmly believe you are "right".

you can't see any other side of any argument other than your own. that makes you no different than an idiot arguing that gay marriage is against god and therefore should be an issue that requires legislation.

[TheLegacy]

its not that I care if someone disagrees with me - ( I expect that and hope that they do - mine is not the only interpretation out there ) - but it is when they do it with arrogance and prejudice that I have concern.

Most of the time I ignore them - why ruin my day talking to someone who refuses to talk intellectually and refuse (if it was the case) that they were wrong. I see it on here all the time.

[DaddyHalbucks]

I have become more tolerant.

Live and let live.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

I believe that everyone is the result of their biology and socialization.

So while I often disgree with people, I still love them and try to understand that their perspectives are a result of their path.

I'm also well aware that my perspectives are a result of MY path...so it is ridiculous to be overly adamant about any of my own beliefs, too.

Wise men rarely argue.

you are an amazing person IMHO. you do things and behave in a way that most would consider extreme or at the least very "different". yet you have the wisdom to understand that its not something you need to justify, its not something you need to argue is normal and its not something you need to explain or make others believe is ok and you don't feel they shoulld have to accept it.

you have understood that everyone has their own opinions and views and they are what they are... and trying to change others opinions and views are not about some objective reality or "right or wrong" as much as it is about self validation and affirmation. a healthy person just has no need for that. BoyAlley does. he is angry, unsure of himself and feels threatened at ever turn. it's understandable to an extent. he hurts and attacking makes him feel better and more "right" but in the end, only hurts himself and will deprive him of ever knowing and understanding true peace.

[ronaldo]

I used to think I was the most tolerant person on earth, until, of all people, xxxjay made a similiar thread.

I respect everyone's right to have an opinion and to express that opinion, BUT when it came to what I saw as THEIR intolerance to others (ie-racism, homophobia etc etc) I simply didn't see their point of view and would put them in the category of "Ignorance personified".

While it hasn't actually happened that I've encountered anyone with those viewpoints since, I'm honestly not sure if I could get beyond their hatred and/or intolerance towards said groups...so technically, I don't know how tolerant I really am. Presumably not very.

[Halcyon]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

you are an amazing person IMHO. you do things and behave in a way that most would consider extreme or at the least very "different". yet you have the wisdom to understand that its not something you need to justify, its not something you need to argue is normal and its not something you need to explain or make others believe is ok and you don't feel they shoulld have to accept it.

you have understood that everyone has their own opinions and views and they are what they are... and trying to change others opinions and views are not about some objective reality or "right or wrong" as much as it is about self validation and affirmation. a healthy person just has no need for that. BoyAlley does. he is angry, unsure of himself and feels threatened at ever turn. it's understandable to an extent. he hurts and attacking makes him feel better and more "right" but in the end, only hurts himself and will deprive him of ever knowing and understanding true peace.

Thank you. I consider myself barely beginning to "get it."

And well said about validation. The people I admire who *know* what they believe have no desire to preach. No need to convince. They just walk the walk...and it is louder than any screaming debate.

[DJxENIGMA]

Im pretty tolerant of peoples own personal views unless they are attacking mine. I believe everyones entitled to feel how they want they just shouldn't try to push there beliefs on to me or get angry if my beliefs differ from theirs.

[chase]

I am extremely tolerant of differing viewpoints, however, in a discussion, I expect my opinion to be heard and respected, if not agreed with, and I am willing to fight for that.

[ridikuloz]

I don't care as long as they don't try to make me believe whatever shit they believe in.

[BoyAlley]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

you have understood that everyone has their own opinions and views and they are what they are... and trying to change others opinions and views are not about some objective reality or "right or wrong" as much as it is about self validation and affirmation. a healthy person just has no need for that. BoyAlley does. he is angry, unsure of himself and feels threatened at ever turn. it's understandable to an extent. he hurts and attacking makes him feel better and more "right" but in the end, only hurts himself and will deprive him of ever knowing and understanding true peace.

God damn dude, you sound like a bigger fucking faggot than I am.

Right now, gays are involved in a civil rights struggle that mirrors that of what blacks went through. You're damn right I'm not just going to "sit by" while homophobic bigots try to write hate into the constitution, or try to limit my abilities to protect my partner of 8 years.

I am indeed fucking pissed, just like the blacks were in their day. Where would this country be if the blacks just sat by and said "well we have a difference of opinion, I respect those that are advocating segregation".

Fuck that.

You'll notice that the EXACT SAME group of people that tried to supress the rights of blacks are now doing EXACTLY the same thing with gays. It's history repeating itself.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

Thank you. I consider myself barely beginning to "get it."

And well said about validation. The people I admire who *know* what they believe have no desire to preach. No need to convince. They just walk the walk...and it is louder than any screaming debate.

i devoted quite a few years to martial arts. i was constantly amazed that the most skilled and talented fighters that i knew... again and again, we the most humble and unassuming people. from the top ranked fighters in the world to top ranked state fighters - they are all doctors, accountants, real estate agents, business owners, teachers etc.

also apparent were the inherent limits of those who were more agressive and fighting/training for the wrong reasons... driven by the hate, anger or general meanness for whatever reason that was driving them could only take them a little bit past 1/2 way... where only patience, wisdom and humility were needed to go the rest of the way. it was always interesting to watch people peak in a few years doing what can be improved upon for a lifetime, because of their attitudes..... and watching a mean and intimidating 6'6" 275 pound Samoan get taken apart by a 5'7", 150 pound EMT.

took me a while to learn, thats a lot like life.

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

God damn dude, you sound like a bigger fucking faggot than I am.

Right now, gays are involved in a civil rights struggle that mirrors that of what blacks went through. You're damn right I'm not just going to "sit by" while homophobic bigots try to write hate into the constitution, or try to limit my abilities to protect my partner of 8 years.

I am indeed fucking pissed, just like the blacks were in their day. Where would this country be if the blacks just sat by and said "well we have a difference of opinion, I respect those that are advocating segregation".

Fuck that.

You'll notice that the EXACT SAME group of people that tried to supress the rights of blacks are now doing EXACTLY the same thing with gays. It's history repeating itself.

let go of the anger.

like i said... you are entitled to your opinion and to express it. you are equating alleged "suppression" of homosexuals to the plight of blacks and racism and right now, somewhere, someone else is trying to explain with equal conviction, the need to prepare for the spaceship that is coming to save us all from the destruction of earth by intergallactic war lords from the year 4357. some agree.. most do not. that is evident by the general lack of support or concern for those views.

to each his own.

at the end of the day, you are doing only what makes you feel better about yourself. you are not changing anyones opinions here with your rhetoric and four letter word infused banter and frequent attacks or use of the word bigot. its not an issue that directly affects anyone besides a tiny minority. its a shame that you chose to embrace anger and bitterness. you are robbing yourself of a happy and peaceful existence in this short life that we have.

[Thomas1007]

I've grown alot more tolerant as I've aged.
i used to have a short fuze, now i just let stuff slip off my back.
politics, religion, whatever, everyones entitled to an opinion.

[Mr. Romance]

Personally since 1994 I lost a business deal to a religious comment that i did not even make, another partner of mine did, and i loose over 50k per year ....so do the math..i stay out of these topics..


Mr. Romance

[SleazyDream]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

I believe that everyone is the result of their biology and socialization.

So while I often disgree with people, I still love them and try to understand that their perspectives are a result of their path.

I'm also well aware that my perspectives are a result of MY path...so it is ridiculous to be overly adamant about any of my own beliefs, too.

Wise men rarely argue.

best answer yet

[BoyAlley]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

you are equating alleged "suppression" of homosexuals to the plight of blacks and racism and right now, somewhere, someone else is trying to explain with equal conviction, the need to prepare for the spaceship that is coming to save us all from the destruction of earth by intergallactic war lords from the year 4357.

WTF kind of comparison is that?

BTW: Mary wasn't a virgin

[xxxjay]

A lot of people make a lot of assumptions about me maybe because of the way I look or probably the shit that come out of my mouth. Fact is, I am uber-tolerant. I could give a fuck less about your race, religion, or sexual preference - if you are an asshole ? you are an asshole.

Case closed.

Of course you cannot be tolerant without accepting other people?s rights to be hateful, bigoted, or racist if they want.

If you are truly tolerant, then you must respect anothers wish to be intolerant - that is true tolerance.

Just my 2 cents.

[Tom_PM]

All you have to remember is that the only person you will *EVER* have control over is yourself.

People generally "lose it" when they are trying to convince someone of something, instead of just listening or receiving another view. It's one thing to hold a different view and say so, it's another to just f-bomb someone because you dont like their view. If we were all of the same view, life would be too damn boring anyway.

[G-Rotica]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

WTF kind of comparison is that?

BTW: Mary wasn't a virgin

WORD! Free our people!!

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

WTF kind of comparison is that?

BTW: Mary wasn't a virgin

again showing the shallowness of your arguments. i dont believe in god and i have told you that many times. thats the only real argument you have and you can't understand why no ones listening.

the comparison was simple... you firmly believe in something, have all the reasons which you feel are valid and you are surrounded by "facts", you believe you are right etc etc etc. so were the people who wanted to jump onto the space ship hiding in the tail of the Hale Bop comet. so was hitler. so was stalin. so was anyone else who refused to see any other side of an argument. so are republicans right? but not you... you exempted yourself because you convinced yourself that the issues are black and white and there is only one "one size fits all" right answer for everyone.

your insecurities demand that you attack anyone that threatens this view by posing a thought provoking question... or by even bringing up the simple notion that opposing ideas exist. "right" and "wrong" are highly subjective concepts and your "beliefs" which are feuled by hatred and bitterness don't allow for shades of gray in anything.

[BoyAlley]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

"right" and "wrong" are highly subjective concepts and your "beliefs" which are feuled by hatred and bitterness don't allow for shades of gray in anything.

There AREN'T shades of grey with this issue. Either gays and lesbians will get equal treatment under the constitution, or they'll be specifically written out of it.

Where are the shades of grey? It's the REPUBLICANS that have made this a "our way or the highway" issue, not the gays and lesbians. And it's the REPUBLICANS that are trying to legislate their views to force their lifestyle and religious beliefs onto others.

[BoyAlley]

BTW: David is teh wins:



http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=627531

[Funbrunette]

Depends, I like to pick my battles!

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

curious


how do you act and react to people that dissgree with you on religion, politics, sexuality, personal expression, etc?

All of those topics are very PERSONAL in nature so I tend to be quite tolerant. Besides, in order to gain respect you have to GIVE respect.... so.... Live and Let live

[pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE]

i am very tolerant of others choices

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by BoyAlley

There AREN'T shades of grey with this issue. Either gays and lesbians will get equal treatment under the constitution, or they'll be specifically written out of it.

Where are the shades of grey? It's the REPUBLICANS that have made this a "our way or the highway" issue, not the gays and lesbians. And it's the REPUBLICANS that are trying to legislate their views to force their lifestyle and religious beliefs onto others.

ok... i am not an expert on this issue and don't care to be. it seem to me that it is clouded with a few issues. the first and most simple issue is the idea of "redefining the legal definition of marriage" - you characterize this as a republican/religious issue... yet it doesn't seem to be an important one for anyone to debate. your arguments and logic dictate that democrats wholeheartedly, 100% supported redefining the word... which i know is not true. so your arguments area already showing some holes.

the other main issue seems to be the issue of rights of gay couples. something i tend to agree with... if you want to marry someone (be it man or woman or whatever) - then the issues of property rights and other similar marital issues that exist between legal marriages need to be addressed. again, gays tend to reject the idea of civil unions and having these rights, so its apparently not only about that either... and the issue goes back to how to define marriage.

why can't you respect that people don't want to change the definition of marriage after 10-20 million years of prehistory and history on this planet? why is it that there are simply no other views other than yours that are acceptable?

dude... listen carefully to this... I AM NOT SAYING YOU ARE RIGHT OR WRONG. i am simply saying "hey, others have an opinion, it may be different than yours... maybe you should stop and think about that for a bit rather than just spewing venom non-stop and alienating people from your viewpoints"

do you want people to listen and undestand? do you want empathy? do you want people to stop and actually listen to what you are saying? or do you want to alienate youself further? to put everyone on the defensive because you can't stop attacking? seems to me that only one choice will help you and its a pretty obvious one.

listening to your mean spirited and vicious attacks on anyone who does not share your views 100% is much like listening to a pot head babble on about why pot should be legalized... never considering for a moment that he is the last person on earth that the people who need to be pursuaded are going to listen to and his arguments are not ones that the people who need to be pursuaded care about.

[hova]

I'm not very tolerant, and I don't think that will change.

[sherie]

Pleasurepays, you have a lot of great points but they seem to go by the wayside. He is not going to listen to you nor even try to understand what you are saying. Save your breath, time and energy for someone that wants to listen and learn and understand. The saddest thing of all is that there are gay and lesbian republicans...I wonder how he deals with that

[G-Rotica]

Originally Posted by sherie

The saddest thing of all is that there are gay and lesbian republicans...

they are all in the closet

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by sherie

The saddest thing of all is that there are gay and lesbian republicans...I wonder how he deals with that

i imagine the same way he deals with gay and lesbian priests and clergy... just keep chanting "they're fucked up... i'm not. .... they don't get it! i do!!" - pretty much covers all the bases