Originally Posted by punkworld

1. I have seen plenty of proof that there are shitloads of people who claim truly absurd things, that have proven to be completely erroneous.

Originally Posted by punkworld

Exactly. I've seen a UFO myself once, when I was a kid. Later, I learned that it was probably just a meteorite. Considering the number of natural phenomenons humanity simply does not understand yet, as well as the number of people willing to blindly accept anything they see or experience as proof of "something more", it seems extremely likely that people are just interpreting things the wrong way - a bit like people in older civilizations who thought thunder was caused by the gods.

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

again, you generalize... you bring up a strawman argument... Point that there's idiots that will mistake a light in the sky, probably a meteorite or a plane, for a UFO... and then make a generalisation out of it...

Ofcourse there's plenty of idiots out there... If you're going to try to debunk something.. debunk the best cases.. not the weakests.. If you don't see the UFO do incredible manoeuvres... (amongst other things) it pobably isnt one..

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

you know, if those 400+ highly credible wistleblowers would testify about a crime you had commited in court... you'd be found gulity.. a slam dunk...
But ofcourse, if you aren't willing to actually go thru the large list of witnesses and their testimonies... you'll never be able to judge whether or not the case has merit...

Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

So you're comparing people who ear voices with those high quality and credible wistlelowers... people who have in large part documents or witnesses to back them up? You think they are all hallucinating? If you'd take a closer look at the 400+ testimonies... you'd realised that very few can be viewed as a "possible" case visual hallucination...

Originally Posted by punkworld

Another bad analogy. They are not all witnesses of the same event, therefore none of those events themselves is corroborated by the other testimonies. Combined with the fact that it is widely known that witnesses in, for example, criminal cases are EXTREMELY likely to screw up parts of what they have seen, add details (or entire new things), or misinterpret things they see, there is no reason to assume that these witnesses are any more credible. Now, if a large number of them had witnessed the same single event, and that event had been very clearly not open to any other interpretation (like the zeppelin that caused hundreds of UFO reports), it would be a different case.

If you really trust witnesses so much, you should do some research on philosophy of mind, specifically the research into how incredibly unreliable the human mind is in registering visual stimulation.



So you're comparing those thousands of intelligent, religious people with good educations who stand in a long tradition involving millions of people with a few hundred nutjobs who think they've been abducted by ET?

(no, I don't actually believe in religion - just pointing out that your attempted refutation of my argument doesn't work)

But yes, I do compare religious people who give testimony of things I consider untrue to UFO believers who give testimony of things I consider untrue.

Originally Posted by Greg B

No, you're dead wrong here. There are enormous volumes of UFO reports with multiple witnesses on file both with the federal government and state government files. Not only those files but foreign files as well as private organizations.

The same level of evidence that can convict a man of murder are disregarded with UFO evidence that's very strong. The extraterrestrial hypothesis is just ONE of many explanations of UFOs.

Originally Posted by punkworld

And your last sentence says it all: there are many other possible explanations. Or, using the analogy of a murder case, there are many possible perpetrators.

There is NO undeniable evidence that proves that the many UFO sightings are actually sightings of extraterrestrials, rather than sightings of natural phenomenons, sightings of secret military experiments, etc.

Knowing with absolute certainty that the vast majority of UFO sightings are sightings of the latter type, why assume that those that are less clear are explained by something that is both completely different and extremely unlikely?

Originally Posted by Greg B

Now you've stepped into an area that's scaring everyone.

If the intelligences behind these UFO abductions aren't extraterrestrial then that means they're terrestrial which points to humans, humanoids, or other life forms that evolved on this world which we know nothing about. Either way, something is using us for biological experimentation and no one is doing shit about it.

Does that make you sleep better?

Originally Posted by Donny

"Makes ya wonder"? No, it doesn't. It says, "This guy is some crack pot while this guy is a professional."

Originally Posted by punkworld

I was talking about sightings, not abductions.

However, when it comes to abductions, the lack of credible witnesses is even greater. But apart from the vast majority that are fake stories, nutjob hallucinations and drug-induced hallucinations, it is not unlikely for (some) governments to be performing (some) experiments on citizens. Hell, they've done it before.

Originally Posted by punkworld

I was talking about sightings, not abductions.

However, when it comes to abductions, the lack of credible witnesses is even greater. But apart from the vast majority that are fake stories, nutjob hallucinations and drug-induced hallucinations, it is not unlikely for (some) governments to be performing (some) experiments on citizens. Hell, they've done it before.

Originally Posted by pimpporn

Where are the alien bodies? Where is the spacecraft? I used to believe in Aliens and UFO until I realized the only evidence is bs fiction and what have you.

Originally Posted by pornguy

And just when was it that GOD or Jesus left a finger print somewhere??
I have not see the body of Jesus, that so many hundreds of millions worship, and give thier lase cent to .

Originally Posted by Greg B

Lack of credible witnesses? This shows me how unaware of the facts you are. Either by not looking or by half looking at some evaluations done by people who didn't examine themselves.

The untold number of abduction reports comprise people mostly of college education and income. Not the other way around. The occupation index ranges from laborers to government officials, doctors, military, teachers, even astronauts.

So don't give that half assed answer that the abduction witnesses aren't credible. That's doing yourself a disservice at the least.

Don't judge a phenomena by the tv news and comedians. They'll have you think all abductees are rednecks out fishing instead of the opposite mostly professionals and multiple abductees. The majority of abductions don't happen when people are asleep either. Nor when people are on drugs or alcohol nor mental problems. People wide awake during daylight hours just going on about their business and it happens to them.

So get the stories and data straight before blanketing every abductee as lacking credibility.

Originally Posted by Sexxxy Sites

There cannot be any credible reports of alien abduction without credible proof. Unless I am mistaken there is not one piece of credible proof.