Worst cliffnotes ever
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Im more confused after reading this thread than when i began, i dont think thats how cliffnotes are supposed to work

No you can't, but biggy & melissa can't very well keep on reposting the screenshot of the post, and crying foul either.

They're the ones continuing the ring the bell now..

And you can't unrape a model.

is she going to have it tightenned back up ?

ahh the video helped clear things up...

I dont know why anyone would blame melissa. I dont fault the rest of them for continuing , brooke didnt give any clear indication she didnt want to continue.. I feel sorry for her because she should have had someone there to look after her and to make sure she was being as assertive as she should have been.. I dont even blame bubba , because he didnt really know either . In hindsight im sure he wishes he was more perceptive to brooke's feelings.. but he was trying to make porn not a "good time" thats why if a woman is going to get naked in front of other people they need to have a "handler" their with them to make sure they aren't ever uncomfortable..

Seems like just a bad situation that could have been avoided by everyone being alor more considerate of other people's feelings.. ( kind of hard to do during a porn shoot )

I love cliffnotes.. downloading now

She did say no, but right after that giggled and said "I'll try". That doesn't excuse the annoying guy's behaviour, of course, but it shows what the real problem here was: a lack of someone looking out for Brooke's safety and interests on the set.

The problem with much of today's porn is that it includes exactly the same thing, but acted, making it especially unclear to outsiders what's real and what's not.

It indicates a problem within the whole of society, though. Many young men are unaware that a young woman who isn't very assertive yet may not give a clear "no" if someone is doing something she doesn't want, and they mistakenly believe it just means they're trying to act coy. Porn, unfortunately, reinforces this.

Wow. And I quote,

"It's time to take one for the fuckin' team." ~Bubba

Right after he tells her not to cry.

Very sad huh?

:disgust

I don't think anyone else cares :Oh crap

Kinda funny that most of the women side see the abuse but many of the men do not.

Interesting.

Actually, I care. And you did raise a very valid point. I agree with you 100%.

Who started the thread you are posting in? Who is dragging this out?

If this dildo was so massive (haven't seen the video) why wasn't there a safe word?

The girl is shaking her head and silently mouthing "no" because the guy has a mic thrust in her face and she doesn't want to ruin the radio show. That should have been enough right there.

Yet another reason to use a safe word.

WTF better safe word is there than saying no, shaking your head, and crying?

This wasn't a bedroom game gone bad. It was a shoot that was done without regard to Brooke's best interest. Based on the video, a safe word would also have been ignored.

exactly.

Agreed. I felt bad for brooke watching the show. You could tell he made her totally uncomfortable and she just wanted to make him happy.

Did anybody else notice the end when Bubba said "Thanks Brooke for doing something that you didn't want to do".... Isn't that Rape?

Like I said. I didn't see the video. I just know that from previous experience, we used safe words.

Everybody who was part of that production crew was out of line and unprofessional. A safe word would not have meant anything to them.

I said it once, I would LOVE to take a monster strap-on to Bubba's ass! Anytime any fucking day! I'll even finance the whole thing! Come on Bubba "Take one for the fucking team"!!! Douchebag!

Think the whole board is wrapped up in it now.

sigh....

Ok. I get what your saying. And I see the problem. Sounds like they were not only unprofessional, it sounds like they were not professionals.

Is the exposure for being on that dumbass's show worth the effort to even go on it?

Bubba's a huge ass and I don't know why anyone would even want to be on his show. I think I'm going to drive by his house and sling water balloons full of red paint at it.

First, I wouldn't have let my model go into the studio without me being in there, especially a young model.

Second, Bubba was way out of line pushing the whole thing. He would have cried like a bitch if that strap-on was was being buried in his ass. Maybe he should consider shoving a toy of comparable size up his ass when he wants tiny models to be impaled by a dildo of that size.

Third, call the attorneys and tee this up. Legal action is far more effective at putting a bitch in his/her place than trying to explain everyone's point of view on a message board. Have Brooke see a physician to medically document any physical injury, have her talk to a psychologist or counselor, and pursue criminal and civil actions against BTLS, Melissa and her people.

That Bubba person was way out of line. He was acting like some sort of crazed animal all up on the girls. You think it was the first time he ever saw pussy well unless he is looking in the mirror.

Exactly.

I am so torn on this issue except for Bubba. I thought he sounded like an ass right from the start. He even told her to shut up when she mentioned how big it was.

Brooke and her crew made a mistake by going in w/o Mayor. Honestly, the way she was saying no was real tough to figure out. She would shake her head no, or even say no, then follow it up with 'ok' then giggle or something. Mayor, knowing Brooke probably could have noticed that was her way of saying "get me out of this situation now, but i'm too scared to actually cause a scene so i'll go along with it".

So she goes along with it, probably torn up inside but with little support. I mean the support she did have (Mayor's wife) was helping get the dildo in at certain points. No wonder this girl left crying.

So I think Brooke's side was wrong for a) Mayor not being in the room, like posted many times, he should have just packed up and left instead of sitting outside waiting, b) Mayor's wife not stopping it, and c) Brooke not walking out.

Bubba's side was wrong for pushing the issue, telling Brooke to shut up, egging her on when he even noticed she had tears in her eyes. Even Howard Stern can recognize when a girl really doesn't want to do something.

I can't really put much blame on Melissa, although as a girl she probably should have recognized it as well and stopped it. Like I said though, Brooke was giving mixed signals, so it was probably confusing to both Melissa and Mayor's wife. Although, like I said above, the mixed signals were probably because she was torn up inside, extremely confused and uncomfortable and acted like a deer in headlights.

Anyway just my 2cents. The biggest fault I see is Bubba, but it was also a huge mistake for Mayor to go along with it while sitting outside. The rest (mixed signals, neither girl stopping it) I can understand because of the pressure put on by Bubba

How about offer a promotion to reverse the "take down Melissa Midwest links" and add them back. He offered to pay people to remove their links, he should offer to pay to add them back.

Mayor was emotional and defending what was "his". That's understandable but he crossed a line and needs to make real amends not half-assed apologies.

Melissa and/or Biggy...hit me up. I want to talk traffic with you.

I agree with you 100%, that's what I was thinking.

Bubba comes off as a toal shitstain with homoerotic desires. I felt for all 3 girls having to deal with that slug.

brooke was not forced to do any of those things.

i've seen more abuse than that before. weaksauce.

stupid drama

He already did that

I don't think Melissa had much choice in what she was doing either, throughout the vid you could see the crews hands on her back pushing her back in and stuff...She didn't say much...

That fucker bubba needs to learn no means no. It was obvious he was doing that for personal pleasure, his "Just a little bit more"'s and "take it for the fuckin team" told me that!

He didnt care about Brooke or Melissa, he just wanted to see some action not caring if anyone got hurt. When Brooke had trouble with the first one they should have called it off then rather than get that giant out! I mean who the hell could have taken that anyway?!

the only way something like that would be acceptable and legally acceptable is if they had established a safeword before hand and FILMED IT and had signed documents backing up a statement that no doesn't mean no and a specific safeword does mean no.

otherwise personally I would be inclined to consider that as RAPE - and follow though with criminal charges.

There could definitly be some serious trouble on this one ... I don't think Melissa wanted to harm her, performers do as they are told. But the people behind the scenes and the idea should have known better.

I understand your opinion is biased but that post and his PROMOTION to have Melissa's links removed are not even in the same ballpark. A retraction, yes. A one in the same reversal, not even close.

Yup, charging Melissa with rape isnt really fair.

I'm assuming she doesnt know brooke to well in a personal sense so how was she to know that she was being serious when she said no and then giggled and stuff afterwards. I know it's hard to decide what you would do unless you were in that situation..but that other girl there didnt do much to stop things either, Im assuming thats Mayors wife? Does she know Brooke well? IF, note the if please, she does then she should have said something.

Melissa was in a very hard position too..If anyone should be charged for rape then it should be bubba. Of course Melissa didnt HAVE to carry on but Brooke didnt HAVE to stay. She could have seriously said no, obviously bubba's show doesnt mean anything to anyone on here so what reputation would she tarnish?

Im not taking sides, trust me on this one. I just think that it was a very hard and akward situation for both girls involved and I feel sad that they had to be put through it. Bubba should have to suffer in some way or other. He was a ringleader in all this and should have action taken against him rather than biggy and Melissa.

Yup, charging Melissa with rape isnt really fair.

I'm assuming she doesnt know brooke to well in a personal sense so how was she to know that she was being serious when she said no and then giggled and stuff afterwards. I know it's hard to decide what you would do unless you were in that situation..but that other girl there didnt do much to stop things either, Im assuming thats Mayors wife? Does she know Brooke well? IF, note the if please, she does then she should have said something.

Melissa was in a very hard position too..If anyone should be charged for rape then it should be bubba. Of course Melissa didnt HAVE to carry on but Brooke didnt HAVE to stay. She could have seriously said no, obviously bubba's show doesnt mean anything to anyone on here so what reputation would she tarnish?

Im not taking sides, trust me on this one. I just think that it was a very hard and akward situation for both girls involved and I feel sad that they had to be put through it. Bubba should have to suffer in some way or other. He was a ringleader in all this and should have action taken against him rather than biggy and Melissa.

Fuck that. Melissa and Biggy both know how Mayor and Brooke feel about this and yet they have used the video as their latest update on their site. That is a truly classless piece of shit move to make and personally, I think anybody who decides to do business with Biggy and Melissa based on any of this is also a classless piece of shit.

As far as I am concerned, that video is a borderline gang rape caught on tape and Melissa, Biggy, and every guy in that room should be dealt with just like any other alleged rapist. Extreme? Possibly but so is violating a girl who was not strong enough to stand up for her rights beyond saying no and crying.

Biased... Ehhh not so much, after watching the video I can see that both parties had quite a bit of pressure to keep going. They are there to promote there sites, They have both been on the show before looking at the archives and everything went fine.. This is just a unfortunate event. :2 cents:

But for Mayor to run press for them after retracting his statement and posting that he wanted people to put links back up and even put more up is more then most people would do. Plus MM and Big dragging it out, I don't think that she needs anymore plugs. She has the video on her site and is making money from it. What more do you want?

The Girls need to Ass Rape Bubba with the Same Horse Cock of a strap on.....then everyone should be Happy :thumbsup

quoting to reiterate

Few things I want to say, then I'm out of here.

1) Mayor should stop saying he wasn't allowed in. He basically said "If I can't film, then what's the point?" Yeah, I know...you felt like this guy was a "friend". FINE, BUT QUIT SAYING YOU WERE NOT ALLOWED IN!!!

2) Mayor reacted harshly, but I think we can all understand where he's coming from. He was wrong for the way he handled it, I think everyone agrees with that. Bottom line is I don't think he achieved his goal of hurting MM business, so just drop it.

4) This jackass of a shock-jock did his job just as he was supposed to do. All of you saying "he didn't care about Melissa or Brooke"....fucking duh!! Did you really expect him to? We all know that most people think of pornstars as "just another slut" or "piece of meat". He is there for ratings, and I'am sure he got them.

5) THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT!! Sadly, Brooke was not confident enough to stand up for herself, say "fuck-off" and walk out. We always argue that this is a business of consenting adults. If Brooke is not able to say "this is my body, and I'm not doing that", then maybe she should not be in this business. It makes people further question if we are REALLY consenting adults. Maybe somebody should have done something different, but they didn't. The only person in control of Brooke and responsible for Brooke is Brooke....she is a grown woman.

I think the whole situation is very, very sad. Brooke obviously felt violated, although it is really tough to blame anybody. I hope that she can get past this. I also hope that it helps her to become a little more controlling of her own life.

What does no mean to you? In a "controlled" environment, why would she have to stand up for anything? She made it clear didn't anything else to take place.

i thought sex was supposed to be fun?

I'm so confused now... the guys at mayors are good people and I can see why they are pissed off. My main complaint would be that they werent allowed in the room to protect their model.

I'll pay $66 per join to anybody who sends traffic to my sites even if you dont pull melissa's links ;-)

Biggy wasn't even there, why would he be considered an alleged rapist?
Mayor's representative, his own wife, was there though, she was giggling throughout the incident and was helping push the dildo inside poor Brooke.