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When did you change into a political and middle east expert?
Last time i checked you were getting naked for money.
Go sit in the corner.

our country did invade them about ten years prior and had a trade embargo against them for quite a long time... is it that difficult to imagine that they resented us for these actions?

whether or not they would have ever been in a position to do something about it is another matter...

Boy you will come to a quick demise son... :1orglaugh

So it seems...haven't gotten one intelligent or logical answer to my question yet. Although Loryn did take a good shot at it.


Oh well...fuck it!

I was going to say something about Farn's post but thought it best to let nature take it's course with him lol

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It's not difficult to imagine. But, someone can't just say "...they wanted us dead before Sept. 11". Where's the proof?

lol, nice KO

:1orglaugh I was gonna respond to that QuaWee, but it was too absurd to bother with.

Almost every sentence is an assumption based on nothing and when there is any "attack" - it reverts back to the icon of petty right-wing domestic hatred in the US - namely the Fat Man.

The good news is - the rest of the world is more sane and they don't give a shit about the views, hatred and embarassment of US retards. :thumbsup

She was the first to totally SHIT on everyone's opinion just so she could shove hers into our throat...
"Land of the free land of the brave", should also apply to gfy

The war in Iraq was a success, America achieved their goals in changing Iraqi's oil trading back into dollars rather than euros, the chaos in Iraq goes down to colateral damage. Read the article in my sig, its a good read !

Why do you think those countries are in Iraq in the first place? Fucking moron. :1orglaugh

You mean the woman in a car that was speeding towards a checkpoint?
The car that didn't stop or slow down after several warnings?

Those soldiers had every right and reason to open fire at that car/vehicle...

Long since debunked you dumb monkey. :1orglaugh

http://www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/030512fa_fact

The irony is that before this war, most americans didn't really realize how many canadians and europeans wanted us dead also.

The simple fact is that a religion exists that is preaching to it's followers that my kids should be burned to death. The old Iraq government had no problem with this. I didn't realize that so many anti-american europeans would have been ok with my children being burned because it makes them feel better about the poor socialist country they live in.

Irony: Someone standing behind the UN calling Americans crooked.

Just because people in the middle east want us dead and just so happen to be Muslims doesn't mean their religion is to blame. We are hated in the middle east for providing massive financial support to Israel, but not Palestine. For giving aide to countries around the world, but forgetting about those in the middle east. Osama himself stated that THAT was the reason why he attacks the US, but such truths are too much for Americans to handle so our government and media pump the standard "they hate us for our freedoms" lie.

You want to stop terror in it's tracks? Either cut off all funding to Israel or give an equal amount to Palestine. Then get some serious aide into the poverty stricken areas of the middle east. By not doing this we created the eventual motive for 9/11 ourselves.

I haven't read about Hitler :( Who the fuck was he? Saddam's ancestor? Was his country under years of prewar sanction too? Did U.S. supply prewar Germany with weapons and wmd making metrials too? Was there a prewar Russian Contra scandal like Iran-contra? Was N korea bragging about having WMD back then too? Was Iran-contra's Iran enriching Uranium already? Was there a real coalition against Germany back then or a fake one against Iraq now? Had CIA created an Osama back then? Was U.S. continuosly supporting Israel regardless if they were right or wrong? Did U.S. go to the war against Germany for Israel like they did in Iraq (ofcourse partly for Israel and partly for Haliburton/oil) and trying to help them with Iran now? And above all, did Germany help Haliburton get richer?

Please dear madam, enlighten us the ignorants :thumbsup

they hate us for our freedoms Hillafuckingrious! But yet we bought that.. atleast i did at first then I went hey! wait a minute, that sounds ridiculous that people will just blow themselves up cos they hate our freedom :helpme then i did some readings and figured what the truth really was behind those psychos' going so psycho.. Israel! I agree cut funding and blind support to Israel and let the "terra" stop.

Maybe we are saying the same thing.

Essentially, your point is that we gave two much money and aid to one side, so the other side is preaching that we are infedels and our children should be murdered.

We are hated in Canada also, why is that?

If the stuff that I have read is accurate. Our relationship with Israel is the only reason that most of these muslims are still on earth.

It is easy for the world to say that we are proping up Israel for our own greed, but how many people would like to be a middle eastern muslim next to israel if the US backed out of middle eastern policy. You damn sure wouldn't be able to buy life insurance.

OMG, I soooooo want to marry you Loryn!!! :Graucho :winkwink:

The other inaccurate point of view I love to hear is how weak our military is.

The simple fact is that our relatively low taxes pay for technology that has the power for a 25-year-old kid to push a button and eliminate cities without ever being seen by a target.

If our military and our technology didn't exist, the world be in chaois. The socialist countries that hate our military would ulitmatly have to raise taxes on their citizens 10 - 25% just to play catch up and ultamately lose the tiny freedoms they enjoy.

You can hate the US and hate our military, but its very existence has kept most people in the world alive and enjoying their standard of living. Havng said that, I really dont listen to europeans give advice on how and when we should use it.

Comparing Hitler to Sadam, that's a new ideology on things. I must admit I never saw any vague correlation between the two. It's like apples & oranges.

As for the Australia being over there. Meh whatd'a ya do. When 85% of the country disagrees and yet Johnny in all his senile dementia, ships them out anyway. But hey we send our troops all over the globe, must be the latest political fad or something. :)

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die bush die

His point was we gave too much money so Israel could go kill the muslims that they stole land from and kill their children so in return they are trying to get back to the source, the funding of the family of killers as well. He's not saying it's right that they would or should do such thing as suicide bombing but he's saying it's giving them a reason to do such things.

Clueless to what you are saying cause if what I read is right it's the other way round :( U.S. is the reason why Israel still exist, U.S. leaves Israel will be completely friendless and lonely in the world.. must be a reason for the whole world disliking Israel.

Hitler and Sadam were different dudes from different times.

One main comparison might be when Sadam rolled his troops in kuwait as a first stop in controlling the middle east. Hitler was just more successful because it took longer for the Ameicans to show up.

I am not an expert on Australia, but I imagine it is just like the US when it comes to foreign policy. The loud minority spends the majority of their efforts convincing themselves they are the loud majority.

The minority party in the US ran an anti-war, tax raising candidate up who saluted during his more important speech and promised to keep tax cuts in place for 99% of the country. His "just shut up and trust me" platform didn't capture any votes away from the majority. The loud minority then spent their time convincing each other that the voting machines must have been rigged. Simple math was thrown out the windown.

Meanwhile, the majority of the country when back to living their lives and enjoying themselves until the mainstream media remindes they how much they are hurting because the president has manipulated gas prices , subsequently forcing them to spend less while they are on vacation this summer.

Acutally, thats the opposite of the way I understand it. I think Israel would be more agressive and less patient while dealing with middle eastern countries. Even if you think they couldn't protect themselves, many would die during the "conflict".

Didnt we destroy his entire army in gulf war 1?? How much more of a threat could he be?

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That is ashame. But they were speeding toward troops in a war zone known for car bombing.

One simple fact is that in some parts of my city, they would have gotten the same results by speeding towards me.

LOL. Nawh! Think you got it wrong. Just let U.S. drop Israel and see what happens :winkwink: Anyways, the fact is neither of us will be right because palestine-israel conflict was instigated by the west and being carried on by the west. There won't be any solution to it anytime soon because it's not in the west's best interest. If you read history and used your own brains a bit you'll see how it's all really played out. Here's a brief:

In November 1917, before Britain had conquered Jerusalem and the area to be known as Palestine, Britain issued the Balfour Declaration. The declaration was a letter addressed to Lord Rothschild, based on a request of the Zionist organization in Great Britain. The declaration stated Britain's support for the creation of a Jewish national home in Palestine, without violating the civil and religious rights of the existing non-Jewish communities. The declaration was the result of lobbying by the small British Zionist movement, especially by Dr. Haim Weizmann, who had emigrated from Russia to Britain, but it was motivated by British strategic considerations. Paradoxically, perhaps, a major motivation for the declaration may have been the belief, inspired by anti-Semitism, that international Jewry would come to the aid of the British if they declared themselves in favor of a Jewish homeland, and the fear that the Germans were about to issue such a declaration.

After the war, the League of Nations divided much of the Ottoman Empire into mandated territories. The British and French saw the Mandates as instruments of imperial ambitions. US President Wilson insisted that the mandates must foster eventual independence. The British were anxious to keep Palestine away from the French, and decided to ask for a mandate that would implement the Jewish national home of the Balfour declaration, a project that would be supported by the Americans. The Arabs opposed the idea of a Jewish national home, considering that the areas now called Palestine were their land. The Arabs felt they were in danger of dispossession by the Zionists, and did not relish living under Jewish rule.

Jewish immigration swelled in the 1930s, driven by persecution in Eastern Europe, even before the rise of Nazism. Large numbers of Jews began to come from Poland owing to discriminatory laws and harsh economic conditions. The rise of Hitler in Germany added to this tide of immigration. The Jewish Agency made a deal, the Hesder, that allowed Jews to escape Germany to Palestine in return for hard currency that the Reich needed.

The British White Paper of 1939 was issued to satisfy mounting Arab pressure against further Jewish immigration to Palestine. Violent Arab opposition to the Mandate and Jewish settlement had begun as early as 1919, and took the form of periodic pogroms and agitation for return of Palestine to Syria. In Easter 1920, Amin El Husseini and Aref el Aref, led a particularly violent pogrom in Jerusalem. In later years the British gave Husseini the office of Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, while Aref el Aref was to write a history after the 1948 war. In 1929 there were further Arab riots in Hebron and Jerusalem.

The Jews of Palestine responded to the White Paper and the Holocaust by organizing illegal immigration to Palestine from occupied Europe, through the "Institution for Illegal Immigration" (Hamossad L'aliya Beth). Illegal immigration (Aliya Bet) was organized by the Jewish Agency between 1939 and 1942, when a tightened British blockade and stricter controls in occupied Europe made it impractical, and again between 1945 and 1948.

In Jerusalem, Arab riots broke out on November 30 and December 1 1947. Palestinian irregulars cut off the supply of food, water and fuel to Jerusalem during a long siege that began in late 1947. Fighting and violence broke out immediately throughout the country, including ambushes of transportation, the Jerusalem blockade, riots such as the Haifa refinery riots, and massacres that took place at Gush Etzion (by Palestinians) and in Deir Yassin (by Jews). Arab Palestinians began leaving their towns and villages to escape the fighting. Notably, most of the Arab population of Haifa left in March and April of 1948, despite pleas by both Jewish and British officials to stay. The British did little to stop the fighting.

In the summer of 1956, Israel, France and Britain colluded in a plan to reverse the nationalization of the Suez canal. Israel would invade the Sinai and land paratroopers near the Mitla pass. Britain and France would issue an ultimatum, and then land troops ostensibly to separate the sides. The plan was carried out beginning October 29, 1956. Israel swiftly conquered Sinai. The US was furious at Israel, Britain and France. UN General Assembly Resolution 997 called for immediate withdrawal. Israeli troops remained in Sinai for many months. Israel subsequently withdrew under pressure from the UN and in particular the United States.

In several summit conferences beginning in 1964, Arab leaders ratified the establishment of the PLO, declared their resolve to destroy Israel, and decided to divert the sources of the Jordan river that feed the Sea of Galilee, to prevent Israel from implementing the water carrier plan. The Syrians and Lebanese began to implement the diversions. Israel responded by firing on the tractors and equipment doing the work in Syria, using increasingly accurate and longer range guns as the Syrians moved the equipment from the border. This was followed by Israeli attempts to cultivate the demilitarized zones (DMZ) as provided in the armistice agreements. Israel was within its rights according to the armistice agreements, but Moshe Dayan claimed many years later that 80% of the incidents were deliberately provoked. The Syrians responded by firing in the DMZs (Click here for a map of the demilitarized zones). When Israelis responded in force, Syria began shelling Israeli towns in the north, and the conflict escalated into air strikes. The USSR was intent on protecting the new Ba'athist pro-Soviet government of Syria, and represented to the Syrians and Egyptians that Israel was preparing to attack Syria. As tension rose, Syria appealed to Egypt, believing the claim of the USSR that Israel was massing troops on the Syrian border. The claim was false and was denied by the UN. \

While Syrians and Egyptians were equipped with late model Soviet heavy tanks, many of the Israeli "tanks" were in fact tiny French AMX anti-tank vehicles, and the heavy tanks were refurbished WWII Sherman tanks fitted with diesel engines. Israel had also been allowed to purchase about 250 M-48 Patton tanks from the US in 1965.

Since USSR was selling arms and ammo to the arabs, U.S. decided to be equal and started selling arms and ammo to Israel. Many believe if Palestine's new Ba'athist party was pro-U.S., today things would have been much different. It would be the oppressed jews terrorizing the world today. If then Ba'athist party could predict future, they would not be pro-USSR which was to fall apart in early 90s that became a major setback for arabs.

Bottomline, some countries must still be selling arms to Palestinees. And I'd bet U.S. is not purposefully stopping it because U.S. needs instability in the mid-east so arabs with all its wealth do not become too pwerful economically to compete with the U.S. not to mention Israel is geographically a good loc for u.s. to guard against some not so friendly euro countries :2 cents:

ahhh more clueless people, gotta love the density around here...

2419 brave soldiers over the course of years, vs skyskrapers blowing up daily
with 10,000's of dead/injured in a day. All anti-war people are morons who would already be dead if it wasnt for our troops bravery, why don't you go back to WW2 and count the numbers on certain days and then salute the fucking flag.

Iraq was the foothold to solve the worlds problems. It is just a small piece of the puzzle of the upcoming challenges we must face and eliminate. If you can't see through whats going on, then you got more problems to worry about then some pessimistic attack on the War.

Who's funding these fucking bombers paying their familes 25k a pop, What connections are these terrorists having with other struggling countries. Should we have been waiting until a psycho fucking murderer is senile and dont give a shit about anything and see what mayhem he can cause?

I say we move all protestors to Iraq, as it appears they need a reality check

Why don't you fucking morons turn off your TV and think for a change, fucking shallow minded babbling idiots

Have you ever talked to our enemy troops? The non radical ones are so brainwashed and FORCED to fight against us from a organization determined to wreak nothing but havoc and fear for their own profits. Where the fuck was Iraq's Militia when we invaded? So feared, they forced the nobodies to the lines to die while they ran off (think about that one a bit, if their so radical and right, why have they gone to hiding when it comes to their country) I dunno aobut you but if i had 2 fucking years to hide a few tons of WMD, I would have no problem in doing so, or perhaps connections have put the WMD into a soverign nation such as Syberia. Half the enemy soldiers are so fucking clueless about America you should hear what they actually have been told what our country is about..

And I dunno about you, but If i was in a car going to a hospital and seen a checkpoint with a 50 caliber mg facing me while in a War, I wouldnt be in such a rush.Maybe they were forced into doing so, for just that publicity and it fooled you.. Simpletons

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Dunno! Could it be the U.S. doing that? Since we have a history of doing such things? lol. Who told you Saddam was giving their families 25k pop? Saddam himself? You think Saddam was the only one paying them? If so, why Israel-palestine conflict hasn't resolved yet? Why are there still more suicide bombings? With Saddam gone there should have been no incentive of 25k pop then why are they insurgents killing themselves to kill U.S. soldiers? Giving 25k to attack Israel meaning U.S. had to roll its own troops to Iraq and get them killed? 2519 u.s. deaths just to fight for the ally Israel? Man! You are so fucking clueless you should just remain in your closet, please don't come out :winkwink:

The greatest thing and the biggest problem about the internet is that everyone gets a voice heard. Even the blindly misled and the ignorant.

Like yourself you mean huh? :1orglaugh

It's amazing how when people post childish make believe Ann Coulter propaganda like this, 100% of the time there are multiple spelling and/or grammatical mistakes that someone in third grade could pick out. That's not a coincidence. There are a lot of stupid people in our country, it's no wonder so many people still believe insane bullshit like this. I'm not the kind of guy who goes after people for typos, but this is an amazing indicator of the lack of intelligence it takes to believe stories like this. It's every time, and there's stupid mistakes that you have to be stupid to make. "a head of time"? lol. How does someone with this kind of mental insufficiently get a job at adult.com? Oh let me guess, she's eye candy.

Honey, stop trying to think about world issues, it will just hurt your pretty little head. You're not doing anyone a favor by spreading ignorant nonsense like you've just posted.

Full blown Hitler, lmfao. Where do morons come up with this shit?

hahaha, this guy still believes the WMD story even after the Bush administration admitted it was a lie, now that's priceless. They're hidden in Siberia now. lmfao. Or as Einstein here would say, "Syberia". What a shock, the guy failed 8th grade geography. This board is too funny. I live in a wealthy area surrounded mostly by educated people so I don't get to laugh at people like this on a daily basis. I should move to Mississippi, listening to the locals talk would be like a 24/7 stand up routine.

"der we went to war to defend freedom, like world war two"

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http://www.nei.ch/gallery/d/3258-2/ban_him.jpg

Don't you know it is against the law to speak out against the war and the Bush administration.

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GFY is always good for a laugh Mr Soul - but kinda sad as well. :pimp

Now.. so far we have seen diatribes of spewage, plenty hate, but nobody has actually addressed NTSS's question.

Is there a problem answering this in a coherent and concise manner - and less than 150 words, but more than two lines of text?

For Gawd's sake KRL - don't you get started as well :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :thumbsup

You're right, it would be hilarious if they were a small minority in this country. Unfortunately it seems like they outnumber rational Americans these days, and that's just scary. I guess taking all the population control techniques from the Nazi's after WWII has paid off.

Sheesh... sure hope you are wrong in that. :(

It does "appear" there are a number of folks like that - least on GFY, but assumed they were just deviant armchair warriors who exist in any society. But if you are saying these perverse dogma attitudes in any way represent the people of the US - that is extremely damned sad and smell that only way from there is a downwards spiral.

I'm gonna be a naive old ass and hope most folks still have rational thinking :)

wish I could