parents with retarded kids, could it be karma?

[nofx]

karma or just bad genetics?

[RogerV]

either way not a kool post to pick on those unfortunate people

[SmokeyTheBear]

It can't be karma , if it was karma you would have been struck by lightning while writing this post

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

It can't be karma , if it was karma you would have been struck by lightning while writing this post

haha true

i dont know what is behind it..most likely genetics.

i have a friend here who is also a math geek and she tutors a handicapped person right now...so sad to see them slowing way down while their siblings are moving ahead in leaps and bounds

must be really hard on the parents

[DaddyHalbucks]

Yea, it's not cool to kick people who are in this circumstance through no fault of their own.

I imagine the majority portion of retardation cases comes from genetics. However, nutrition, lead exposure, mother's diet, mothers' drug/ alcohol use, and other environmental factors also effect IQ.

My cousin is retarded, a rare genetic disorder. Having a retarded child is a huge burden on the parents. It puts alot of strain on the marriage too. It's a tough road, definitely not Karma related.

[fl_prn_str]

its in the water......and the food additives that make all the under aged girls look like there 34.

[xNetworx]

I believe in karma. Therefore, I can go around doing mean shit to people all day becuase they probably did something to deserve it.

[nico-t]

i heard from some peeps that doctors can see when a chick is pregnant if the kid inside of her is healthy or retarded, even in a very early stage of pregnancy... if i would make a girl pregnant and the doc would say its gonna be retarded i'd be 100% pro abortion.

[Wiggles]

its hard to say, my friends dad is a general surgeon and his mom does something equally as grand, they have 3 kids, 2 super bright, one mentally handicapped, hard to argue genetics in that case.

[Monique Niccole]

Originally Posted by nico-t

i heard from some peeps that doctors can see when a chick is pregnant if the kid inside of her is healthy or retarded, even in a very early stage of pregnancy... if i would make a girl pregnant and the doc would say its gonna be retarded i'd be 100% pro abortion.

I think that's what the amniocentesis (sp?) is for...to detect Down's Syndrome and the like. But by the time the baby is developed enough to have it done, aren't you too far along to abort?

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by nico-t

i heard from some peeps that doctors can see when a chick is pregnant if the kid inside of her is healthy or retarded, even in a very early stage of pregnancy... if i would make a girl pregnant and the doc would say its gonna be retarded i'd be 100% pro abortion.

I highly doubt they can detect most forms of retardation at any stage that they would still do an abortion.It would likely be beyond the range of an abortion.

Either way its sort of a silly statement because if you have ever known anyone who was mentall handicapped you would know they are fairly happy content people. It would be a huge burden for a parent , but i dont think you just murder people because they are a burden or we would just abort old people.

[NoCarrier]

Originally Posted by nofx

karma or just bad genetics?

Ask your own parents, but my guess with you it's both.

[smack]

if it is karma, i am going to have the most retarded child ever.

[AmateurFlix]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

It would be a huge burden for a parent , but i dont think you just murder people because they are a burden or we would just abort old people.

well he's not talking about murdering old people, he was talking about aborting a defective fetus

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

well he's not talking about murdering old people, he was talking about aborting a defective fetus

I realise that , thats why you quoted me not him

I was talking about murdering old people , i was making a comparison

i.e. killing a fetus because it would be a burden is like killing old people because they are a burden..

[AmateurFlix]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i.e. killing a fetus because it would be a burden is like killing old people because they are a burden..

well a fetus isn't a person, it's merely a parasite with a potential to become a person

might as well weed out the bad ones before they arrive. nature does the same by preventing defective sperm from entering the egg

[bringer]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i.e. killing a fetus because it would be a burden is like killing old people because they are a burden..

yet mothers do it every day retarded or not.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

well a fetus isn't a person, it's merely a parasite with a potential to become a person

Thats your "opinion" other people have different opinions.. I'm sure 99.9% of parents dont feel their childrens fetus was a "parasite" until it breached the vaginal walls.

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

nature does the same by preventing defective sperm from entering the egg

by that logic , nature should be preventing the "defective fetus" from being born , but it doesn't .. hmmm maybe theres a reason for that..

Where some people percieve a "defect" others don't. Nature seems to know better than we do , by your own admission.

[mrthumbs]

if karma is the reason i better dont have any kids!!

[AmateurFlix]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Thats your "opinion" other people have different opinions.. I'm sure 99.9% of parents dont feel their childrens fetus was a "parasite" until it breached the vaginal walls.

that's not an opinion, go look up the defintion of the word 'parasite' if you don't understand it. how anybody "feels" about their own fetus doesn't change it

by that logic , nature should be preventing the "defective fetus" from being born , but it doesn't .. hmmm maybe theres a reason for that..

heh, yeah, it's called natural selection. it's nature's attempt to weaken and kill off the species. fortunately man also has the ability to make rational desicions instead of passively letting nature do whatever it wants to do

Where some people percieve a "defect" others don't. Nature seems to know better than we do , by your own admission.

I never said that, I only gave one instance where that occurs. That doesn't mean it's to be applied in every circumstance. If that were the case we'd all be standing out in the rain naked since nature didn't provide us with clothing and shelter

[ilbb]

karma for being adult webmaster in last live

[Pornwolf]

Whatever it is it's really sad. I think it has to be one of the worst things that could happen to a child and a parent.

[Th!nk]

Originally Posted by RogerV

either way not a kool post to pick on those unfortunate people

i believe so too. i don't think you would call it karma...
either way, that's one thing that parents could not ever asked for, having an abnormal child.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

that's not an opinion, go look up the defintion of the word 'parasite' if you don't understand it. how anybody "feels" about their own fetus doesn't change it

Like i said its your opinion , perhaps you dont understand the definition..

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

heh, yeah, it's called natural selection. it's nature's attempt to weaken and kill off the species. fortunately man also has the ability to make rational desicions instead of passively letting nature do whatever it wants to do

Aborting fetus's is natural selection ?? umm what school did you go to ?

If you agree we should change "natural selection " by killing those who are a burden , then why not kill old people.. ( i.e. give me a reason why ) ( i.e. what part of "parasite: included a fetus , but doesnt include old people or babies i.e. include the part of the actual definition of the word parasite you are referring to )

[coolegg2]

Originally Posted by nofx

parents with retarded kids, could it be karma?

karma or just bad genetics?

Who knows? I think it's more interesting to wonder if poor character and a lack of grace are due to "bad genetics".

If so, I guess your kids are screwed.

[BigCashCrew]

damn, this thread is mean

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by mrthumbs

if karma is the reason i better dont have any kids!!

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

well he's not talking about murdering old people, he was talking about aborting a defective fetus

exactly...

[L4 libido]

if you will treat every bad thing in your life as karma, you're better off killing yourself

[PlugRush Sascha]

That's fucked up...

[Platinumpimp]

Another nice thread, keep em comming.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i.e. killing a fetus because it would be a burden is like killing old people because they are a burden..

abortion is always done because the unborn child will be a burden somehow to the parents or itself... thats the whole idea of abortion..

now i think sluts who let people fuck em by anyone and then get an unwanted healthy child and abort it, are wrong. They should be smacked in the face for even letting themselfs get pregnant.

But id draw a line between healthy and retarded. You have a life of yourself too, your life will get fucked up and the kids life will get fucked up when you let a kid like that born, thats my opinion.

[PixeLs]

It depends on how parents look at it I guess.

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Aborting fetus's is natural selection ?? umm what school did you go to ?

"nature" aborts fetuses all the time, it's called miscarriage. There are lots of them. And yes amniotic fluid tests for Down's Syndrome during pregnancy is exceedingly popular. There is actually a bit of a push to remind young people to do it as even though the % chance is higher for a 40 year old to have a down's syndrome kid, 20 year old mothers think they are safe and are not bothering with the test and there are more down's sydrome kids being born to young mothers than any other age group.

[bhutocracy]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

i.e. killing a fetus because it would be a burden is like killing old people because they are a burden..

Not really, old people have paid taxes all their lives and built and supported the system that supports you and deserve support for the roads, hospitals etc they have built and provided for us. A potential life is just that... nothing.

[AmateurFlix]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Like i said its your opinion , perhaps you dont understand the definition..

what I said was there is a difference between an 'opinion' and a 'definition'

go look up the definition of the word 'parasite'
you can have any 'opinion' at all you want of it, but the definition is what it is

Aborting fetus's is natural selection ?? umm what school did you go to ?

heh, that's not what I said. what school did you go to? did they teach you reading comprehension?

you probably didn't like that smart ass remark I made just now did you? then don't start one with me again.

my point was that introducing defective genes (i.e. the retarded fetus you're talking of) into the species is a part of natural selection. fortunately modern medicine has put man in a position to be able to predict these types of problems and prevent them from occurring. I don't see any value in populating the earth with more retards than necessary. I'm not saying they should be forced to be aborted but if the parents are for it and the fetus is definitely gonna be fucked up then why not. It's probably a better situation for every living person involved.

[nofx]

bump for a great thread

good read

[Babagirls]

Originally Posted by nico-t

i heard from some peeps that doctors can see when a chick is pregnant if the kid inside of her is healthy or retarded, even in a very early stage of pregnancy... if i would make a girl pregnant and the doc would say its gonna be retarded i'd be 100% pro abortion.

ya, theres a test to see if the baby has down syndrome or not but its a risky test (they through the wall of the uterus and take fluid from her sack).

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

I highly doubt they can detect most forms of retardation at any stage that they would still do an abortion.It would likely be beyond the range of an abortion.

Actually something like Down Syndrome is a genetic disorder, and because of that can be detected rather rapidly (with CVS, I believe they can detect it from the 9th week on, or something like that). In fact, in Germany, 90% of all fetuses diagnosed with Down Syndrome are aborted.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by Babagirls

ya, theres a test to see if the baby has down syndrome or not but its a risky test (they through the wall of the uterus and take fluid from her sack).

It's risk is fairly limited. CVS has a risk of fetal death of about .5%-1%, and amniocentesis has a risk of about .25%-.5%.

[emthree]

Doubt it, alot of people care for their retarded kid as if he/she was normal.

[AG_Proff]

Originally Posted by emthree

Doubt it, alot of people care for their retarded kid as if he/she was normal.

I agree no good parent will ever refuse their child just because they are slower then the rest, or have some mental issues.

[grumpy]

cant read the post but the topic reminded me why i put you on my shitlist.

[adultchica]

Originally Posted by bhutocracy

Not really, old people have paid taxes all their lives and built and supported the system that supports you and deserve support for the roads, hospitals etc they have built and provided for us. A potential life is just that... nothing.

Absolutely! A lot of them went through wars and hard times and a lot of bad shit for us to have it better. And they succeeded.

Elderly people are cool, i don't know why they get knocked on. Sometimes they tell the funniest jokes.

[Phoenix]

another brilliant post by the wonder genius..lets all sit back in awe

[tenderobject]

i don't like this thread

[OG LennyT]

some good heat in this thread... me likes

[E$_manager]

may be a karma.
may be you had some sins and now your child have to pay for that.

[E$_manager]

Or not karma - if you drunk, smoked and took drugs especially when you brought the child.

[E$_manager]

Originally Posted by emthree

Doubt it, alot of people care for their retarded kid as if he/she was normal.

if they don't they are not normal parents.