NATS - hush hush? - GoFuckYourself.com

x3guide · 05-22-2006, 03:53 PM

Tried a few times to get serious answers on what the point of it is and how it works. Noone is interested. Is it just a scam used by a lot of sites, to be ignored and forgotten, or does someone have any actual info?

See thread.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=612747

Damian_Maxcash · 05-22-2006, 03:57 PM

Well it looks like you had nothing to say then and you dont have anything to say now.....

Correct me if I am wrong.

x3guide · 05-22-2006, 04:01 PM

Sure I did. I asked if it's possible to sign up to one nats program and then another and somehow link them together on the same "payout", like it's possible with ccbill. You know, you can create subaccounts. If you already have an account and sign on a new ccb site it just asks for you main acct and password and lets you hook it onto the main one.

That's exactly what I was asking about in the thread I linked to. Not clear enough?

The Ghost · 05-22-2006, 04:03 PM

The payments are not necessarily coming from the same processor, which is what a CCbill only program is doing. CCbill handles all the money. There at least 30 different processors that support NATS, of which CCbill is one of them.

Damian_Maxcash · 05-22-2006, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x3guide

Sure I did. I asked if it's possible to sign up to one nats program and then another and somehow link them together on the same "payout", like it's possible with ccbill. You know, you can create subaccounts. If you already have an account and sign on a new ccb site it just asks for you main acct and password and lets you hook it onto the main one.

That's exactly what I was asking about in the thread I linked to. Not clear enough?

Eh - you mentioned scam and other shit in your post here - now you are saying you just want sub accounts....

Get real you fucking moron - Im all for a bit of drama - but it has to be based on something.

x3guide · 05-22-2006, 04:11 PM

It's not drama. It's a real question. We run a review site and have a lot of sites reviewed - we can't pick just one or a few sites to promote. I'm asking if nats is on the same level as ccbill or if it's a front to payment systems such as ccbill, and in either case how it works to sign on more than one and not have to in effect promote them seperately.

There's no drama. It's a very valid question. It may be somewhat of a stupid question for those of you in the know, but surely someone can give a simple reply.

Got no idea who "NATS" is, no reason to discredit them, but they sure don't seem to have any representatives here. Just asking for some very basic info.

Dagwolf · 05-22-2006, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x3guide

It's not drama. It's a real question. We run a review site and have a lot of sites reviewed - we can't pick just one or a few sites to promote. I'm asking if nats is on the same level as ccbill or if it's a front to payment systems such as ccbill, and in either case how it works to sign on more than one and not have to in effect promote them seperately.

There's no drama. It's a very valid question. It may be somewhat of a stupid question for those of you in the know, but surely someone can give a simple reply.

Got no idea who "NATS" is, no reason to discredit them, but they sure don't seem to have any representatives here. Just asking for some very basic info.

You should get a second opinion on this because I'm not an expert on the subject, but I'm pretty sure the short answer is "NO" because NATS is not a payment processor, but rather it's software for tracking affiliate sales and hits.

Nathan · 05-22-2006, 04:19 PM

NATS is an affiliate program software. It is not an IPSP. That is why you can not link accounts like in CCBill. If you use 3 sponsors, one using CCBill, one using Paycom and one using some 3rd processor, you can not link them together and get paid together either.

Regarding "what the point of it is": its point is to give program owners and affiliates the tools they need to bigger amounts of money. It takes a lot of work away from the program owners, since it automates many things, it helps them get the most out of the traffic their affiliates send.

x3guide · 05-22-2006, 04:24 PM

But then it's exactly that I was afraid to say it was: Some kind of freeware to let clueless site owners act like "virtual merchants" to no regard WHAT-SO-EVER for the people who actually use it.

Ok, that's a bit drama-ish I guess. But if it's so then shame on anyone who uses that crap. I see the upside for you, but it's absolute SHIT for your afilliates, no?

Damian_Maxcash · 05-22-2006, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x3guide

It's not drama. It's a real question. We run a review site and have a lot of sites reviewed - we can't pick just one or a few sites to promote. I'm asking if nats is on the same level as ccbill or if it's a front to payment systems such as ccbill, and in either case how it works to sign on more than one and not have to in effect promote them seperately.

There's no drama. It's a very valid question. It may be somewhat of a stupid question for those of you in the know, but surely someone can give a simple reply.

Got no idea who "NATS" is, no reason to discredit them, but they sure don't seem to have any representatives here. Just asking for some very basic info.

lol - sorry - on here you just assume

Nats is basicly just a script that some sponsors use to proccess stats.

The stats can be from a lot of payment proccesors so in theory they can actually can stop sponsor fraud. If they actually do is up for a lot of debate, and I dont know the answer.

I personaly like Nats because it makes things look consistant - I can see pretty easily when things go wrong with a sponsor.

SomeCreep · 05-22-2006, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x3guide

Tried a few times to get serious answers on what the point of it is and how it works. Noone is interested. Is it just a scam used by a lot of sites, to be ignored and forgotten, or does someone have any actual info?

See thread.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=612747

Best not to worry how it works.

x3guide · 05-22-2006, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001

lol - sorry - on here you just assume

Nats is basicly just a script that some sponsors use to proccess stats.

The stats can be from a lot of payment proccesors so in theory they can actually can stop sponsor fraud. If they actually do is up for a lot of debate, and I dont know the answer.

I personaly like Nats because it makes things look consistant - I can see pretty easily when things go wrong with a sponsor.

So I can use 10 different nats/ccbill processors, link the onto my account, get the cashola on one and the same check and be all smiles?

(holding back on insults although this isn't my modus operandae..)

Damian_Maxcash · 05-22-2006, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x3guide

But then it's exactly that I was afraid to say it was: Some kind of freeware to let clueless site owners act like "virtual merchants" to no regard WHAT-SO-EVER for the people who actually use it.

Ok, that's a bit drama-ish I guess. But if it's so then shame on anyone who uses that crap. I see the upside for you, but it's absolute SHIT for your afilliates, no?

OK - your back in the tosser box - its certainly not freeware.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt for a minute - my mistake.

x3guide · 05-22-2006, 04:37 PM

A representative from NATS would help here (or is just spam/ad/bload/adandon-ware). Seriously it's the most basic question you'll ever get. If you can't answer it then feel free to refrain from you "moron, idiot! comments.

Sure, it makes you look like a small (I mean big) man. But what's the point. Do you have some facts/info to contribute in this thread.

Then Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Do us a favour and bail from my thread since you don't even remotely have the brain power to keep up with it. Have another could of "Jeeoagoor" mate.

Manowar · 05-22-2006, 04:40 PM

x3guide, you got email/icq?

UtahSaints · 05-22-2006, 04:41 PM

i never heard anything bad about them.. except for their pricing

x3guide · 05-22-2006, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manowar

x3guide, you got email/icq?

admin at x3guide.com, put "to Evert" in the topic if you want since I'm the one writin. Again, I just want to find out facts. Not out to have stupid discussions with people I've never even talked to.

The Ghost · 05-22-2006, 04:44 PM

Once again, NATS, MPA3, AWIZ, Monolith, etc are scripts that help program owners make their programs better. Some programs are happy using just CCBill, which has built in affiliate management software. That software has many MANY limitations to it, all of which lead to you, the partner possibly making less sales. The ability to cascade a denied customer to another processors, knowing exactly where your traffic is coming from, running multiple promotions, etc.

Just hit me on IcQ and I will be more than happy to talk with you about this more

x3guide · 05-22-2006, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ghost

Once again, NATS, MPA3, AWIZ, Monolith, etc are scripts that help program owners make their programs better. Some programs are happy using just CCBill, which has built in affiliate management software. That software has many MANY limitations to it, all of which lead to you, the partner possibly making less sales. The ability to cascade a denied customer to another processors, knowing exactly where your traffic is coming from, running multiple promotions, etc.

Just hit me on IcQ and I will be more than happy to talk with you about this more

Ok, useful info. Thx, The Ghost. At least part of the picture makes sense to me now

CyberHustler · 05-22-2006, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Ghost

Once again, NATS, MPA3, AWIZ, Monolith, etc are scripts that help program owners make their programs better. Some programs are happy using just CCBill, which has built in affiliate management software. That software has many MANY limitations to it, all of which lead to you, the partner possibly making less sales. The ability to cascade a denied customer to another processors, knowing exactly where your traffic is coming from, running multiple promotions, etc.

Just hit me on IcQ and I will be more than happy to talk with you about this more

Jamie · 05-22-2006, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x3guide

Ok, that's a bit drama-ish I guess. But if it's so then shame on anyone who uses that crap. I see the upside for you, but it's absolute SHIT for your afilliates, no?

Keep pluggin away at your review site until you get a clue

Nathan · 05-22-2006, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x3guide

A representative from NATS would help here (or is just spam/ad/bload/adandon-ware). Seriously it's the most basic question you'll ever get. If you can't answer it then feel free to refrain from you "moron, idiot! comments.

Did you totally overlook my post with all your rambling?

Stop talking crap man, if you have no clue, stop talking about it.

If you want to know what NATS is, read up:

http://www.toomuchmedia.com/products/nats/

Damian_Maxcash · 05-22-2006, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x3guide

Then Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Do us a favour and bail from my thread since you don't even remotely have the brain power to keep up with it. Have another could of "Jeeoagoor" mate.

Why do I always take the bait?

Someone please tell me.......

You asked a question and as the freindly guy I am I answered it - you piece of shit.

Your question showed that you dont have a fucking clue - why are you on an adult webmaster board? You are obviously not an Adult or a webmaster.

Piece of trash wanna be

Validus · 05-22-2006, 05:00 PM

I just love the great support I get from Mansion with my MAS setup, I am sure their support is as good for MPA3 as it is for MAS. Mansion also always has very professional and clear replies to my questions.

x3guide · 05-22-2006, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001

Why do I always take the bait?

Someone please tell me.......

You asked a question and as the freindly guy I am I answered it - you piece of shit.

Your question showed that you dont have a fucking clue - why are you on an adult webmaster board? You are obviously not an Adult or a webmaster.

Piece of trash wanna be

Eh, sorry but you did not. The first reply from you contained the usual abusive garbage "idiot", "moron", etc.. How does that help any of us? I was very friendly in my thread, although perhaps somewhat annoyed because I'd asked this question 100 times and gotten no reply.

I really don't see the reason why you have to start the profanity bs when I'm just trying to get some info.

You're nothing more than a know-it-all you thrives on being able to use your "obscentiy-handbook" in my opinion. Go and reread what the original thread was about and see who started the bullshit, why don't you.

Crappy regards

Nathan · 05-22-2006, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Validus

I just love the great support I get from Mansion with my MAS setup, I am sure their support is as good for MPA3 as it is for MAS. Mansion also always has very professional and clear replies to my questions.

Dude, seriously, lol.. get a life man... whats up with you and your constant spamming?

x3guide · 05-22-2006, 05:07 PM

Ok damian is on iggy. Everyone else who replied in this thread - thanks - I learned something new. At your service if you should need my help in anything. Admit I know nada about referal progs - done reviews/coding for the last 6 years.

Best wishes,

/x3

Major (Tom) · 05-22-2006, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x3guide

Tried a few times to get serious answers on what the point of it is and how it works. Noone is interested. Is it just a scam used by a lot of sites, to be ignored and forgotten, or does someone have any actual info?

See thread.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=612747

I have no idea what your post is about...

But the tone of it is very accusatory and most definatley unwarranted.

Duke

Validus · 05-22-2006, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan

Dude, seriously, lol.. get a life man... whats up with you and your constant spamming?

Sorry, I really am not spamming. I am expressing how much I enjoy the great support I get from Mansion with my MAS.

x3guide · 05-22-2006, 05:18 PM

Not unwarranted. If accusatory then it's mainly because I've tried to get an anwer several simes before. I have several big questions that remain, but I appreciate the help/leads given in this thread. I'll attempt to read up on the particulars.

Would be sweet if anyone felt like posting a summary of who nats are, why they're suddenly the industry standard, what's in it for affills, etc. That part's still over my head.

For anyone who took offense at this thread - geez, think about what you're taking offense to and why. Didn't even react until called "provokative idiot", and I'd like to think I did it "tounge in cheek".

Calmly refered to another thread...

You do your thing I guess, I'll do mine. I'm certainly thick skinned enough to take XX number of namecallers. But no, I don't understand why.

Peace.

The Ghost · 05-22-2006, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x3guide

Ok, useful info. Thx, The Ghost. At least part of the picture makes sense to me now

No problem. Hit me up on IcQ if you want to talk more:

IcQ: 176176

Gaybucks · 05-22-2006, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x3guide

Would be sweet if anyone felt like posting a summary of who nats are, why they're suddenly the industry standard, what's in it for affills, etc. That part's still over my head.

I suppose it might be a little confusing if you're clueless about the back end of affiliate programs, but you could definitley have searched "NATS" anywhere and learned way more than you'd want to know.

Very briefly, NATS allows an affiliate program such as ours to use a bunch of different processors (ccbill, Paycom, Verotel, Electracash for example) to increase customer sales -- idea being that if one merchant turns a customer down, another might accept the purchase.

Without NATS (or a similar product like MPA-3), a sponsor would have to track each affiliate's traffic, where it went, what the customer ended up buying through which processor, which banners are performing better than others, etc. CCBill does this, but only for CCBill transactions.

NATS has earned a reputation as a quality product. The makers of NATS have built in lots of checks and balances to keep sponsor programs "honest", and that's why a lot of affiliates like it... shaving is reported to be impossible by NATS, and that's why so many affiliates seem to like it.

However, unlike CCBill, the responsibility for payment is with the sponsor program, not with the billing provider, so there's no way to combine accounts between different sponsors who use NATS.

Hope that clears things up. You might do well to act a little less like a bull in a china shop next time

05-22-2006, 03:53 PM	#1
x3guide Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: lake titicaca Posts: 735	NATS - hush hush? Tried a few times to get serious answers on what the point of it is and how it works. Noone is interested. Is it just a scam used by a lot of sites, to be ignored and forgotten, or does someone have any actual info? See thread. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=612747 __________________ Shomer fuckin shabbas

05-22-2006, 04:01 PM	#3
x3guide Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: lake titicaca Posts: 735	Sure I did. I asked if it's possible to sign up to one nats program and then another and somehow link them together on the same "payout", like it's possible with ccbill. You know, you can create subaccounts. If you already have an account and sign on a new ccb site it just asks for you main acct and password and lets you hook it onto the main one. That's exactly what I was asking about in the thread I linked to. Not clear enough? __________________ Shomer fuckin shabbas

05-22-2006, 04:03 PM	#4
The Ghost IslandDollars.com Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Icq: 176176 Posts: 12,188	The payments are not necessarily coming from the same processor, which is what a CCbill only program is doing. CCbill handles all the money. There at least 30 different processors that support NATS, of which CCbill is one of them. __________________ ISLAND DOLLARS 1000's of Exclusive TS scenes / Constant Updates Best TS Network your surfers will ever join

05-22-2006, 04:11 PM	#6
x3guide Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: lake titicaca Posts: 735	It's not drama. It's a real question. We run a review site and have a lot of sites reviewed - we can't pick just one or a few sites to promote. I'm asking if nats is on the same level as ccbill or if it's a front to payment systems such as ccbill, and in either case how it works to sign on more than one and not have to in effect promote them seperately. There's no drama. It's a very valid question. It may be somewhat of a stupid question for those of you in the know, but surely someone can give a simple reply. Got no idea who "NATS" is, no reason to discredit them, but they sure don't seem to have any representatives here. Just asking for some very basic info. __________________ Shomer fuckin shabbas

05-22-2006, 04:19 PM	#8
Nathan Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,108	NATS is an affiliate program software. It is not an IPSP. That is why you can not link accounts like in CCBill. If you use 3 sponsors, one using CCBill, one using Paycom and one using some 3rd processor, you can not link them together and get paid together either. Regarding "what the point of it is": its point is to give program owners and affiliates the tools they need to bigger amounts of money. It takes a lot of work away from the program owners, since it automates many things, it helps them get the most out of the traffic their affiliates send. __________________ "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right." - Charlie Munger

05-22-2006, 03:57 PM	#2
Damian_Maxcash So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: MaxCash.com Posts: 12,745	Well it looks like you had nothing to say then and you dont have anything to say now..... Correct me if I am wrong.

05-22-2006, 04:24 PM	#9
x3guide Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: lake titicaca Posts: 735	But then it's exactly that I was afraid to say it was: Some kind of freeware to let clueless site owners act like "virtual merchants" to no regard WHAT-SO-EVER for the people who actually use it. Ok, that's a bit drama-ish I guess. But if it's so then shame on anyone who uses that crap. I see the upside for you, but it's absolute SHIT for your afilliates, no? __________________ Shomer fuckin shabbas

05-22-2006, 04:37 PM	#14
x3guide Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: lake titicaca Posts: 735	A representative from NATS would help here (or is just spam/ad/bload/adandon-ware). Seriously it's the most basic question you'll ever get. If you can't answer it then feel free to refrain from you "moron, idiot! comments. Sure, it makes you look like a small (I mean big) man. But what's the point. Do you have some facts/info to contribute in this thread. Then Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Do us a favour and bail from my thread since you don't even remotely have the brain power to keep up with it. Have another could of "Jeeoagoor" mate. __________________ Shomer fuckin shabbas Last edited by x3guide; 05-22-2006 at 04:40 PM..

05-22-2006, 04:40 PM	#15
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	x3guide, you got email/icq?

05-22-2006, 04:41 PM	#16
UtahSaints Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,538	i never heard anything bad about them.. except for their pricing __________________ Enjoy Bucks - Enjoy Bucks

05-22-2006, 04:44 PM	#18
The Ghost IslandDollars.com Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Icq: 176176 Posts: 12,188	Once again, NATS, MPA3, AWIZ, Monolith, etc are scripts that help program owners make their programs better. Some programs are happy using just CCBill, which has built in affiliate management software. That software has many MANY limitations to it, all of which lead to you, the partner possibly making less sales. The ability to cascade a denied customer to another processors, knowing exactly where your traffic is coming from, running multiple promotions, etc. Just hit me on IcQ and I will be more than happy to talk with you about this more __________________ ISLAND DOLLARS 1000's of Exclusive TS scenes / Constant Updates Best TS Network your surfers will ever join

05-22-2006, 05:00 PM	#24
Validus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 4,012	I just love the great support I get from Mansion with my MAS setup, I am sure their support is as good for MPA3 as it is for MAS. Mansion also always has very professional and clear replies to my questions.

05-22-2006, 05:07 PM	#27
x3guide Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: lake titicaca Posts: 735	Ok damian is on iggy. Everyone else who replied in this thread - thanks - I learned something new. At your service if you should need my help in anything. Admit I know nada about referal progs - done reviews/coding for the last 6 years. Best wishes, /x3 __________________ Shomer fuckin shabbas

05-22-2006, 05:18 PM	#30
x3guide Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: lake titicaca Posts: 735	Not unwarranted. If accusatory then it's mainly because I've tried to get an anwer several simes before. I have several big questions that remain, but I appreciate the help/leads given in this thread. I'll attempt to read up on the particulars. Would be sweet if anyone felt like posting a summary of who nats are, why they're suddenly the industry standard, what's in it for affills, etc. That part's still over my head. For anyone who took offense at this thread - geez, think about what you're taking offense to and why. Didn't even react until called "provokative idiot", and I'd like to think I did it "tounge in cheek". Calmly refered to another thread... You do your thing I guess, I'll do mine. I'm certainly thick skinned enough to take XX number of namecallers. But no, I don't understand why. Peace. __________________ Shomer fuckin shabbas Last edited by x3guide; 05-22-2006 at 05:20 PM..