AaronM gets busted? - GoFuckYourself.com

ADIDAS · 05-20-2002, 01:00 AM

This was ICQ'd to me by one of AaronM's family members just a few minutes ago.....

"From what I was told he was having his picture taken by one of the other guys he was with. In the pic he was standing with police or something and was buddy buddy with them. he had been drinking taquiilla in one of the bars and was pretty drunk I guess. Long story short, , he reached for one of the guns that the cops had and they arrested him and beat him pretty badly too. Not like he need the hospital or anything but they clubbed him with nitesticks and so forth.

He had over $7,000 on him and when his friends go tto the station to ask about bail or whatever they said he had no money in his possession and they would not let them see him.

Our parents have been on the phone with Aaron's attorneys and some police officials in TJ to work things out."

And I just met up with him last night at Aimee Sweets party! What a shitty day to have after a huge party!

Mr.Fiction · 05-20-2002, 01:01 AM

Post the pic.

drunkmonkey · 05-20-2002, 01:02 AM

dayuum. If it is not one thing it is ten. That sucks ass.

bhutocracy · 05-20-2002, 01:03 AM

See what being banned from GFY drives you to...

Fletch XXX · 05-20-2002, 01:11 AM

TheSpaceBulldog · 05-20-2002, 01:20 AM

This story has got to be complete bullshit. Where is your proof?

ADIDAS · 05-20-2002, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by TheSpaceBulldog
This story has got to be complete bullshit. Where is your proof?

I got your proof hangin'!

UnseenWorld · 05-20-2002, 01:23 AM

I don't take being drunk as an excuse for doing something stupid. I never bought that "I got drunk and woke up and found out I'd had sex with a skank" routine, and I don't buy it here, either. You don't reach for a cop's gun here OR in TJ.

YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU ARE DRUNK, BECAUSE BEFORE YOU WERE DRUNK YOU WERE SOBER.

jimmy3way · 05-20-2002, 01:24 AM

Where the fuck is TJ?

baddog · 05-20-2002, 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by jimmy3way
Where the fuck is TJ?

Tijuana, but I think Aaron was too drunk Saturday to find Mexico today, so the story has to be fabricated. Besides, they would never let such a well known pornographer across the border.

Jamie · 05-20-2002, 01:30 AM

I took this picture of Aaron in TJ.... Aaron had this bright idea that he wanted to get a picture with these guys...

Immediately after this picture Aaron grabs for one of the guards weapons without asking. I have no idea what Aaron was thinking. These guys were seriously uptight and just looking for a reason to fuck with someone. They pinned him against the glass windows and started searching his pockets. Aaron had around $7,000 cash in his right pocket.. One of the soldiers took the money out and put it in his pocket. They told Aaron he could leave but they wouldn't give back the money. Aaron got really pissed and started arguing, after a few minutes a fight breaks out between Aaron and the soldier. Needeless to say it turned violent.. 5 guys rushed Aaron, throwing him to the grown, handcuffing him and then dragged him to a waiting bus.

The damn guys knocked my camera out of my hand and told me if I take a picture I'm going to jail too.

Here is the picture I was able to get before the shit broke out.

Mike D · 05-20-2002, 01:31 AM

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Originally posted by baddog

Tijuana, but I think Aaron was too drunk Saturday to find Mexico today, so the story has to be fabricated. Besides, they would never let such a well known pornographer across the border.

I agree. That is one ELITE mofo

Mike..................

SNOW · 05-20-2002, 01:36 AM

Hes gonna need some Anal cream in the morning.. A mexican Jail.. Those guy's dont mess around.. Someone take a picture when he makes bail..I'm positive he will be dressed up like a woman. And Have a Blowout Out bleeding spinchter...

boneprone · 05-20-2002, 01:37 AM

on a VERY serious note, I waited at the airport to pick him up and finally left when he never got off the plane.

I was soooo fucking pissed. No calls nothing.

Then i called his house and left a message on his machine, his dad called back told me what happened

baddog · 05-20-2002, 01:37 AM

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Originally posted by Jamie
I took this picture of Aaron in TJ.... Aaron had this bright idea that he wanted to get a picture with these guys...

I should have warned you guys that you need to tip the Federales when you want them to pose for headshots. Grabbing their guns is no big deal because most of them do not fire anyway, but stiff them of their 500,000 pesos ($.35 USD) and you are asking for trouble.

Jamie · 05-20-2002, 01:39 AM

Is there anything we can do on the States side to help Aaron out? There has to be a Lawyer we can contact.

TaDoW · 05-20-2002, 01:45 AM

yeah there is... get lots and lots of drugs and money to trick the jail guys into letting him go.

Jamie · 05-20-2002, 01:46 AM

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Originally posted by TaDoW
yeah there is... get lots and lots of drugs and money to trick the jail guys into letting him go.

Tim, this is serious shit.

Bobo · 05-20-2002, 01:48 AM

Who the fuck walks around with seven grand in the wallet...especially in a place like Mexico where they'll steal a dime from you?

boneprone · 05-20-2002, 01:49 AM

ive already talked to his family
they are consulting legal advice tomorrow downtown.

I asked if i could accompany them, but they told me they would rather i just called them instead.

They were pretty concerned.
Pissed.
Pissed at Aaron

pornJester · 05-20-2002, 01:50 AM

woah shit, just heard the news via ICQ, well at least getting banned from GFY is the least of Aarons problems today.

boneprone · 05-20-2002, 01:50 AM

bobo, Aaron is Elite.
Most of us walk around with that much often, especially if we are with friends or on a bussiness trip where we may need to set up a dinner or what ever for clients.
When im in Vegas, Ill have 6k in cash, and like 12k in chips on me easily

pornJester · 05-20-2002, 01:54 AM

Ya, 7k ain't shit for Aaron, we blew that easy is South Beach a few weekends ago when he was here in FL.

Fletch XXX · 05-20-2002, 01:54 AM

Jamie · 05-20-2002, 01:56 AM

Bobo,

Considering there are roughly 50+ strip clubs in TJ it's easy to drop $7,000. Before this shit happened we had already spent $1,000 between 2 clubs. They don't take Visa for Private Dances.

boneprone · 05-20-2002, 01:59 AM

Aaronn threw down a nice dime on dinner in Thailand for some of the other week.

Paid cash.
A lot of these places in dont like cards.

SNOW · 05-20-2002, 02:02 AM

I jus't called his sister and shes leaving to the airport to fly in to san diego and drive into TJ..He's gonna be tried in the morning and the bail is gonna be like 4 grand the federales told her to bring papers and shit..She was panicking..I'll call her tommorow to see how things are doing.

Bobo · 05-20-2002, 02:06 AM

Yeah guys, I understand what you're saying. I know essentially every foreign country prefer US coin over cards.

I suppose that if you're planning on spending that kind of money you must be extremely careful who you fuck whether you're drunk or not drunk. They'll use any opportunity as an excuse to steal your shit.

I've never carried more than 1k in my wallet while on hiatus and I always feel uncomfortable when I do. Having a lot of friends around helps though.

Hope he gets this whole thing resolved.

Mike D · 05-20-2002, 02:11 AM

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Originally posted by Bobo
Who the fuck walks around with seven grand in the wallet...especially in a place like Mexico where they'll steal a dime from you?

Bro, didnt i just say he was ELITE ??
You better recognize

boneprone · 05-20-2002, 02:14 AM

bow to the power

Brown Bear · 05-20-2002, 02:22 AM

This is like a soap opera

People getting banned from GFY

Sex & violence

people getting beat up and robbed and going to jail

ammo325 · 05-20-2002, 02:26 AM

Just spoke with AArrons sis. Those of you that know him like I do know that he is a good dude.

His sister is trying to help him out just as what was already posted. She is having a rough time finding a lawyer that knows what to do about this stuff. She was going through AArrons puter and could only find lawyers that specialize in the internet.

So if you could help in anyway, she is on his ICQ right now.

Mike D · 05-20-2002, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
bobo, Aaron is Elite.
Most of us walk around with that much often, especially if we are with friends or on a bussiness trip where we may need to set up a dinner or what ever for clients.
When im in Vegas, Ill have 6k in cash, and like 12k in chips on me easily

Is that all you carry (puss) ??

Mike.......

Mike D · 05-20-2002, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ammo325
Just spoke with AArrons sis. Those of you that know him like I do know that he is a good dude.

His sister is trying to help him out just as what was already posted. She is having a rough time finding a lawyer that knows what to do about this stuff. She was going through AArrons puter and could only find lawyers that specialize in the internet.

So if you could help in anyway, she is on his ICQ right now.

Whats her ICQ number ??

Fletch XXX · 05-20-2002, 02:29 AM

Entertaining this is.

Fletch XXX · 05-20-2002, 02:30 AM

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Originally posted by mike
Whats her ICQ number ??

? icq.

eroswebmaster · 05-20-2002, 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ammo325
Just spoke with AArrons sis. Those of you that know him like I do know that he is a good dude.

His sister is trying to help him out just as what was already posted. She is having a rough time finding a lawyer that knows what to do about this stuff. She was going through AArrons puter and could only find lawyers that specialize in the internet.

So if you could help in anyway, she is on his ICQ right now.

her best bet is to go to San Diego and find a lawyer there.
Talk to the U.S. Consulate in T.J. they might be able to direct her to a Mexican Lawyer.

he could be there for days if he's lucky...if he's unlucky this could last for months even years.

ammo325 · 05-20-2002, 02:32 AM

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Originally posted by mike
Whats her ICQ number ??

Check your ICQ

ammo325 · 05-20-2002, 02:34 AM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

Well if this is true...and I'll be honest it's kind of hard to believe because of the constant bullshitting and lies told on this board her best bet is to go to San Diego and find a lawyer there.
Talk to the U.S. Consulate in T.J. they might be able to direct her to a Mexican Lawyer.

If this is true he could be there for days if he's lucky...if he's unlucky this could last for months even years.

I hope to god you guys are just pulling some bullshit on the board like the Thailand trip...if not Aaron's going to need a lot more than my best wishes.

Unless someone is sitting at AArrons PC on his ICQ bullshitting, this is absolutely true!

They need some assistance!

eroswebmaster · 05-20-2002, 02:36 AM

Brown Bear · 05-20-2002, 02:39 AM

Call Johnny Cochrane!

Fletch XXX · 05-20-2002, 02:45 AM

I just icqed his sister,... since I am in Southern California I might be able to help!

Anything for a family member in time of need.

SNOW · 05-20-2002, 02:45 AM

I say Fuck him.....Ugly bastard...

hyper · 05-20-2002, 02:45 AM

thats sad
but regardless you dont grab any police officials gun
cocked or not.. he should have had some vague idea

SNOW · 05-20-2002, 02:49 AM

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Originally posted by SNOW
I Say Fuck The Ugly bastard...(MOLE)

hyper · 05-20-2002, 02:51 AM

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Originally posted by SNOW

why not boneprone did

but seriously, i hope he comes out of this okay.
never been to TJ, but i am sure it aint pleasant in their jail

Bobo · 05-20-2002, 02:55 AM

It's true, they hate Americans and his inmates are definitely gonna tie him up and treat his ass to some Mexican cock.

I'd be shitting if I were him...literally and figuratively.

Brown Bear · 05-20-2002, 02:56 AM

They hate Americans? Then why is every Mexican trying to jump the border and get into the US?

jimmy3way · 05-20-2002, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bobo
It's true, they hate Americans and his inmates are definitely gonna tie him up and treat his ass to some Mexican cock.

I'd be shitting if I were him...literally and figuratively.

Down there they call it El Cock.

meRx · 05-20-2002, 03:00 AM

FREEDOM

Hope Arron doesnt get aids in there .
I cant believe those 'soldiers' took his cash and told him to scram..
Jezuz..thats fucked.
Hope he makes it out in one piece.
On that note i'll change my sig...

05-20-2002, 01:00 AM	#1
ADIDAS Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: San Diego CA USA Posts: 638	AaronM gets busted? This was ICQ'd to me by one of AaronM's family members just a few minutes ago..... "From what I was told he was having his picture taken by one of the other guys he was with. In the pic he was standing with police or something and was buddy buddy with them. he had been drinking taquiilla in one of the bars and was pretty drunk I guess. Long story short, , he reached for one of the guns that the cops had and they arrested him and beat him pretty badly too. Not like he need the hospital or anything but they clubbed him with nitesticks and so forth. He had over $7,000 on him and when his friends go tto the station to ask about bail or whatever they said he had no money in his possession and they would not let them see him. Our parents have been on the phone with Aaron's attorneys and some police officials in TJ to work things out." And I just met up with him last night at Aimee Sweets party! What a shitty day to have after a huge party! __________________ <img src="http://www.sunlightcontent.com/images/sl_but.gif" border=0> Professional Video Encoding As Low As $2.00 Per Minute ICQ # 125084296

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Jamie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: CelebPay.com Posts: 2,517	I took this picture of Aaron in TJ.... Aaron had this bright idea that he wanted to get a picture with these guys... Immediately after this picture Aaron grabs for one of the guards weapons without asking. I have no idea what Aaron was thinking. These guys were seriously uptight and just looking for a reason to fuck with someone. They pinned him against the glass windows and started searching his pockets. Aaron had around $7,000 cash in his right pocket.. One of the soldiers took the money out and put it in his pocket. They told Aaron he could leave but they wouldn't give back the money. Aaron got really pissed and started arguing, after a few minutes a fight breaks out between Aaron and the soldier. Needeless to say it turned violent.. 5 guys rushed Aaron, throwing him to the grown, handcuffing him and then dragged him to a waiting bus. The damn guys knocked my camera out of my hand and told me if I take a picture I'm going to jail too. Here is the picture I was able to get before the shit broke out.

05-20-2002, 01:36 AM	#13
SNOW Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,963	Hes gonna need some Anal cream in the morning.. A mexican Jail.. Those guy's dont mess around.. Someone take a picture when he makes bail..I'm positive he will be dressed up like a woman. And Have a Blowout Out bleeding spinchter...

05-20-2002, 01:37 AM	#14
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	on a VERY serious note, I waited at the airport to pick him up and finally left when he never got off the plane. I was soooo fucking pissed. No calls nothing. Then i called his house and left a message on his machine, his dad called back told me what happened __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids. Last edited by boneprone; 05-20-2002 at 01:41 AM..

05-20-2002, 01:39 AM	#16
Jamie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: CelebPay.com Posts: 2,517	Is there anything we can do on the States side to help Aaron out? There has to be a Lawyer we can contact.

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05-20-2002, 01:48 AM	#19
Bobo Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,253	Who the fuck walks around with seven grand in the wallet...especially in a place like Mexico where they'll steal a dime from you?

05-20-2002, 01:49 AM	#20
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	ive already talked to his family they are consulting legal advice tomorrow downtown. I asked if i could accompany them, but they told me they would rather i just called them instead. They were pretty concerned. Pissed. Pissed at Aaron __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

05-20-2002, 01:50 AM	#21
pornJester Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 6,138	woah shit, just heard the news via ICQ, well at least getting banned from GFY is the least of Aarons problems today. __________________ FreshBucks \| Webmaster Vault \| GayAW Trusted Names in Adult. ICQ 9157.3698

05-20-2002, 01:54 AM	#23
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05-20-2002, 01:56 AM	#25
Jamie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: CelebPay.com Posts: 2,517	Bobo, Considering there are roughly 50+ strip clubs in TJ it's easy to drop $7,000. Before this shit happened we had already spent $1,000 between 2 clubs. They don't take Visa for Private Dances.

05-20-2002, 01:59 AM	#26
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Aaronn threw down a nice dime on dinner in Thailand for some of the other week. Paid cash. A lot of these places in dont like cards. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

05-20-2002, 02:02 AM	#27
SNOW Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,963	I jus't called his sister and shes leaving to the airport to fly in to san diego and drive into TJ..He's gonna be tried in the morning and the bail is gonna be like 4 grand the federales told her to bring papers and shit..She was panicking..I'll call her tommorow to see how things are doing.

05-20-2002, 02:06 AM	#28
Bobo Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,253	Yeah guys, I understand what you're saying. I know essentially every foreign country prefer US coin over cards. I suppose that if you're planning on spending that kind of money you must be extremely careful who you fuck whether you're drunk or not drunk. They'll use any opportunity as an excuse to steal your shit. I've never carried more than 1k in my wallet while on hiatus and I always feel uncomfortable when I do. Having a lot of friends around helps though. Hope he gets this whole thing resolved. Last edited by Bobo; 05-20-2002 at 02:07 AM..

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Bobo Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,253	It's true, they hate Americans and his inmates are definitely gonna tie him up and treat his ass to some Mexican cock. I'd be shitting if I were him...literally and figuratively.

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