Content providers please note

[YDG]

Its damned frustrating when you're trying to buy content, and the only full size samples shown do not show the girls face clearly. I see this so much, they post a picture of their pussy, like we can really tell what she looks like by viewing her snatch at 1024x768!

Here is a classic example of a set I just viewed which looks pretty good, but the only full size sample was this pic.



Shame cause the set looked good, but I wont buy with a preview like this.

Please give us a couple of samples showing a face, and a full shot of a body so we can tell whether shes a plumper or not.

[clickpimp]

the one on her back looks like she's about 50.

[Mr.Fiction]

Great point. Show us a close up of the face(s) before we buy!

[Dirty F]

[ounique]

Hey there YDG,

Ask and you shall receive! We have just launched the New Ounique.com with more full sized samples per photoset (so you're bound to find at least one good face shot and one good body shot in there somewhere), new thumbnail pages that load much quicker, and really easy search features. There's a whole lot more going on too, but I'll let you explore that for yourself. http://www.ounique.com

If you need any help feel free to email me at [email protected], or just hit "Real Person" on the website to chat with me live during office hours. I'm also on ICQ #137899310.

[vidsweb]

Yeah, face shot are important!

[AaronM]

No worries here. You took Unseen and I out of your list anyway. I have been thinking about changing all of my sample to just show the models clothing once it is all on the floor.

[Paul Markham]

It only confirms what I'm always saying about some of the content providers.

THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT PORNO

Look at our site and see how a professional does it.

[fantasycontent]

I agree! This is why we have thumbs of the models to show they have sets then each set has 4 full size samples face and pussy

[AaronM]

Originally posted by charly
It only confirms what I'm always saying about some of the content providers.

THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT PORNO

Look at our site and see how a professional does it.

You are actually right this time. I looked at your site and I must say that the professionals at Matrix Content did a great job designing it. Oh wait...I guess your team of crack designers did change a few things after you stole the design.

[Sugarpuss]

cmon have a look at ours

call me up on ICQ

email me on [email protected] and I will show you our content

[NLB]

Originally posted by AaronM


You are actually right this time. I looked at your site and I must say that the professionals at Matrix Content did a great job designing it. Oh wait...I guess your team of crack designers did change a few things after you stole the design.

Aaron thanks for the support! It fucking sucks when someone takes credit for your hard work and then also uses it to make money! We have emailed this guy and get no response back! If your going to copy something, at least improve it!

[dipshit moron retard]

ounique's site design looks entirely original however *cough* apple sux *cough*

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by dipshit moron retard
ounique's site design looks entirely original however *cough* apple sux *cough*

Hmmmm.

http://64.38.233.7/site/index.htm

http://www.apple.com/

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by charly
It only confirms what I'm always saying about some of the content providers.

THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT PORNO

Look at our site and see how a professional does it.

Charly, you continue to be a goddam laff riot!!!

Anyway, since I tend to offer a minimum of 8 sets of 95% of the girls I sell, and two samples per set, I don't think anyone can honestly complain about not being able to see the girls' faces.

[Fletch XXX]

Man I gotta buy content, fuck... wish I could design something for someone in trade for some content heheh

[Mike D]

Originally posted by charly
It only confirms what I'm always saying about some of the content providers.

THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT PORNO

Look at our site and see how a professional does it.

Maybe if i ripped off matrix and changed a cpl things i could be just as professional



Mike.........

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by UnseenWorld

Charly, you continue to be a goddam laff riot!!!

Laugh at this then.

You once said you could not afford a Nikon D1X, well we can and now have one. Along swith the two EOS 1Ns, EOS 3 & 5, plus a Bronica and Mamiya.

We need all that equipment for the three shooters here, in our 1500 sq ft studio and we are to continue to get sets like this on the front cover and centrfold of Barely Legal. thank you for the opportunity to tell everyone



No one on the net wants magazines style, I hear you say. It only wants the ONLY style you can shoot. That is why last month our net sales exceeded our magazine sales. Both sides are growing. Plus Matrix, Fresh Content are doing so badly with their glamorous style.

You and Aaron make the same mistake over and over. You think I give a damn about what you think or say.

It's business and that is measured by what you sell, $$$ wise.

NLB I spoke to two people at your company, Bruce and someone else. They accepted my explaination. You have a problem email me. I only ignore Spam.

[Queueyon]

I think he has you there. It's all about business and he with the most toys wins.

That he is a better photographer than both of you and has no problem telling, is probably what gets you so upset.

Live with it, he was probably bad when he started out.

[ZatCHICKPIXXX]

we have heard this complaint/suggestion before,

so we are in the midst of changing the sample pics, to include at least one good face shot

we changed this part already.......

the girls at chickpixxx.com

thanks for the info.......

[fantasycontent]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Man I gotta buy content, fuck... wish I could design something for someone in trade for some content heheh

Hey send me an email or icq and maybe we can work something out...

[email protected]
89361136

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Man I gotta buy content, fuck... wish I could design something for someone in trade for some content heheh

Hit me by email or ICQ need more designers and possible more.

[ProgGod]

And please please give people a way to download the content. The worst is when you have to email to buy it, and you take 12 years to answer the emails..

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by charly
[B]

Laugh at this then.

You once said you could not afford a Nikon D1X, well we can and now have one. Along swith the two EOS 1Ns, EOS 3 & 5, plus a Bronica and Mamiya.

We need all that equipment for the three shooters here, in our 1500 sq ft studio and we are to continue to get sets like this on the front cover and centrfold of Barely Legal. thank you for the opportunity to tell everyone

Charly, I don't need one, because I can produce a better photo than the murky one you just put up with a sub-$1000 rig. To wit:



Compare with your pic of a rather sickly-looking girl (below). If this were not typical of your product, it'd be one thing, but most of your stuff is equally limp and lifeless. And when it's not that, it' looks kinda fake.

No one on the net wants magazines style, I hear you say. It only wants the ONLY style you can shoot. That is why last month our net sales exceeded our magazine sales. Both sides are growing. Plus Matrix, Fresh Content are doing so badly with their glamorous style.

There is a market for every style, Charly, and a sucker born every minute. I'm glad to hear YOUR assessment of your success. As for me, my income is now in the 18 figures, and I've had to add a second level to my garage to accommodate my latest purchase of seven Lamborghinis. Oh, and I just purchased the Island of Corfu, which is why I can't afford that camera. My point is, I've never been about money. Anytime a potential customer holds money out to lord it over me, I kick him in the nuts because my independence is more important to me than a big check.

You and Aaron make the same mistake over and over. You think I give a damn about what you think or say.

When did I ever express the thought you cared what anyone said?

[SirTreX]

another great sample:

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by ProgGod
And please please give people a way to download the content. The worst is when you have to email to buy it, and you take 12 years to answer the emails..

Must say the best move we made was to put up the ftp, it makes it all so much easier. Plus the automated shopping basket.

Who is trying to do business without these faciliities?

[Paul Markham]

Unseen
Fortunately not everyone thinks like you.



To those that do not understand the Internet and Imaging.
My pictures are very heavily compressed, to save on bandwidth, look at the file size. This is obvious to those that know what they are doing.

Thanks for the opportunity to post our latest of many Barely Legal front covers.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by charly

Nice Charly, that is one accomplishment I too would be proud of, good work!

[vegasdude]

this picture got life man!

[AaronM]

Originally posted by charly


Laugh at this then.

You once said you could not afford a Nikon D1X, well we can and now have one. Along swith the two EOS 1Ns, EOS 3 & 5, plus a Bronica and Mamiya.

We need all that equipment for the three shooters here, in our 1500 sq ft studio and we are to continue to get sets like this on the front cover and centrfold of Barely Legal. thank you for the opportunity to tell everyone

No one on the net wants magazines style, I hear you say. It only wants the ONLY style you can shoot. That is why last month our net sales exceeded our magazine sales. Both sides are growing. Plus Matrix, Fresh Content are doing so badly with their glamorous style.

You and Aaron make the same mistake over and over. You think I give a damn about what you think or say.

It's business and that is measured by what you sell, $$$ wise.

NLB I spoke to two people at your company, Bruce and someone else. They accepted my explaination. You have a problem email me. I only ignore Spam.

Are you really this fucking stupid? I am beginning to think that you are another Boneprone character. Let's break this down shall we?

Look at the front page of my site. See that fat guy with the Nikon D1x? That is me. The D1x provides ZERO advantages when shooting web content. Rattle off all the numbers you want about your income, cost of equipment, size of your studio, age of your wife....whatever. Only weak minded fools are impressed with dumb shit like this. I could easily post mine and if you ask those who know me then you will find that you offer no significant difference between you and I other than I am not full of shit.

I have NEVER said that there is no market for your stuff nor have I ever insulted your work...only you ya dumb fuck. I happen to think you are a great photographer but I think you have brain damage or something. Kinda like a rainman with a camera.

As for your explanation on stealing Matrix's design...save it. A thief is a thief is a thief. I just wonder why people would do business with such a blatant criminal.

[Paul Markham]

vegasdude
The image is fine.
But the girl is looking at a camera with nothing in her head other than "How much do I get paid"

This is what most of the amateurs shooters do not understand Aaron had a picture on his front page of a bored girl in a jacuzzi (I think it's a jacuzzi) This is not what "Amateur" means. It means a girl who is looking to get laid not paid.

Aaron people buy from me because of my pictures.

The Nikon D1X gives YOU AND UNSEEN no advantages when shooting for the net.
Us it does because we shoot at a different level.
If you disagree, tell me how do YOU shoot cum flying through the air with a lesser camera on a boy-girl set. Or do you not shoot boy-girl? We do and have these shots.

[=^..^=]

Originally posted by SirTreX
another great sample:

This is what I would call a GREAT example of why this topic sux...

it is all relevant to the sets which you are wishing to purchase..
for example - while you might want to see the face of the two girls in this lesbian set - in some sets the face doesn't mater one bit.

Take this foot pic that SirTreX posted ...
Foot fetishists don't care about faces - just feet

We shoot a hell of a lot of balloon content - faces don't matter in balloon content - in fact most of the pics do not even show the girls faces - just their hands. Ballooners are more interested in the ballooons than the girls.


so it really depends on what the set is about
granted , yes - in the above set the faces SHOULD be showing - but it doesn't have to be EVERY set

I think that any discerning content provier should be able to choose the right samples.

he problem these days is that any idiot with a digi cam is becoming a 'content provider' - which is really sad.

I think the whole debate about equiptment is shit - IE resizes photos anyhow.

I think a good 'eye' is better than an expensive camera anyday

(just for the record I use a mavica for digi and a Nikon f100 for SLR - nothing fancy but the shots are fine)


<a href="http://www.dirtydollar.com"><img src="http://www.sexcontents.com/kitty/ddsmall.gif"></a>
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[SirTreX]

Originally posted by =^..^=



Take this foot pic that SirTreX posted ...
Foot fetishists don't care about faces - just feet

this was a softcore teen set, not a footfetish set.. This is the
only sample there is of this set.

[=^..^=]

Ok then - i see now..
well refer to my coment about idiots and digi cams

[YDG]

Originally posted by =^..^=
[B]

This is what I would call a GREAT example of why this topic sux...

it is all relevant to the sets which you are wishing to purchase..
I think that any discerning content provier should be able to choose the right samples.

Apparently not unfortunatley, so hence starting this thread to give some content providers a tip on how to sell more sets.

After all, I want to buy sets, content providers want to sell them, all I'm doing is making it easier for us both.

Point taken re 'specific parts of the body' fetishes. But my guess is even in the balloon fetish market a punter would want see an attractive girl rolling round in 'em rather than a minger.

But I'm not in that niche so cannot comment with experience.

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by =^..^=

I think that any discerning content provier should be able to choose the right samples.

he problem these days is that any idiot with a digi cam is becoming a 'content provider' - which is really sad.

I think the whole debate about equiptment is shit - IE resizes photos anyhow.

I think a good 'eye' is better than an expensive camera anyday

The problem is with the words "discerning" and "any idoit with a digi cam".

We have Unseen posting a picture of a girl who is clearly bored and arguing about the choice of the editor of Barley Legal, not a "Glossy" mag as he keeps telling us. Which again reveals his knowledge. Who do you think knows more about porno?

The problem I have, is newbies that come into this business and listen to some of what is said. Then lose money and disappear. The surfer with money does know the difference and a lot are coming from magazines, where else are they from. They will not take a drop in standard just because this is the Internet. Nor is the "BIG" market on the fringes and fetishes, if we all go there we will flood that market as well. That market is good for a few, the majority of us have to produce quality and the right fantasy. With Teen, Amateur, Girl next door, it is not the girl just looking at the camera showing her pussy. In fact very little of this business is about that. What are we? Chefs or Butchers.

There are too many content providers telling us that the right thing to buy is what they are ONLY capable of shooting. We can and do shoot very "bad" amateur pictures. Who do you think shoots the "Readers Wives" polaroids in the mags, boyfriends? Not all editors trust what comes in through the post, it's shot by professionals on castings. So I can move over to a style that looks like the boyfriend shot it, easily. Look at our amateur section this was mostly shot by a guy that does advertising and calendars. He also can change style to "Amateur". It sells very well.

Tried lots of cameras before settling for the Nikon D1X. The problem with the others were their speed. We sometimes need to shoot fast. With a strobe light and no digital could handle that except the Nikon. Normally we are shooting @ a rate of 1 pic every 3-5 seconds and shoot until the chip is full, 250 meg, so normally end up with 3 full discs. This give us 300 images which is normal for shooters like us. With some of the slower cameras they could not get anywhere near this speed and quality/file size.

But to be honest still prefer slides, we shoot a lot of the time with two shooters one on digital the other with slide film. When we scan off a good slide the image is far superior.

Sorry for the long answer but when idiots keep going on and on I have to answer. That includes me. If they were confident about their work they would not be so touchy about what I say. They insult my work I do not care, except that some newbies will listen and think they are right. They insult me personally, I care even less.

[FATPad]

I know who signs the checks at Hustler if anyone cares.

[4Pics]

Originally posted by FATPad
I know who signs the checks at Hustler if anyone cares.

last i heard it was boneprone

[Queueyon]

Paul You are wasting your time with these Bozos. They sell a set and they think they are kings of photography. Unseen keeps posting a picture of an average looking girl with dropped tits, looking at the wall behind him. If she has anything in those eyes its contempt. I posed for loads of guys like that. Took their money and went home as soon as I could. And he thinks its a good picture??? Give up. How much do you get paid for a front cover on BL these days and where is my bonus for the cover picture of me??

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by charly
vegasdude
The image is fine.
But the girl is looking at a camera with nothing in her head other than "How much do I get paid"

This is what most of the amateurs shooters do not understand Aaron had a picture on his front page of a bored girl in a jacuzzi (I think it's a jacuzzi) This is not what "Amateur" means. It means a girl who is looking to get laid not paid.

Aaron people buy from me because of my pictures.

The Nikon D1X gives YOU AND UNSEEN no advantages when shooting for the net.
Us it does because we shoot at a different level.
If you disagree, tell me how do YOU shoot cum flying through the air with a lesser camera on a boy-girl set. Or do you not shoot boy-girl? We do and have these shots.

It's funny that the best critique of the pic you have to offer is an exercise in amateur mindreading. In fact, she had a ball and was not there just for the money, AND there are other shots of her with different expressions as well. By contrast, your covergirl looks like she's choking on a lozenge. I'm sure there are better ones in the layout, and you probably didn't pick the cover photos, either.

I don't do magazine photography because while I don't know who writes the checks at Hustler in a Biblical sense, as I'm sure YOU do, I do know that most magazines don't write checks very quickly, and I prefer working with people who think their suppliers should be paid promptly, or even in advance.

And what is this about this being the ONLY way I know how to shoot? How about this:



And my entire Afterglow Erotic Photography site. Where's your artistic site? Or is freezing cumshots in the air your only idea of art?

I don't do b/g for several reasons. 1) I have a daughter, and I think that shooting b/g sex is just a bit more than she would accept; and 2) I don't believe in hard-core porn anyway for ethical reasons of my own (as I've said elsewhere, a girl can do anything up to and including g/g and she won't be called a slut for it, but once she starts the fuck and suck routine, the perception changes).

So, I am not your classic "he'll shoot anything for a buck" kind of guy.

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by Queueyon
Paul You are wasting your time with these Bozos. They sell a set and they think they are kings of photography. Unseen keeps posting a picture of an average looking girl with dropped tits, looking at the wall behind him. If she has anything in those eyes its contempt. I posed for loads of guys like that. Took their money and went home as soon as I could. And he thinks its a good picture??? Give up. How much do you get paid for a front cover on BL these days and where is my bonus for the cover picture of me??

"I posed for loads of guys like that. Took their money and went home as soon as I could."

Thanks for your frank explanation of what passes for a professional attitude with some models. The good model gives her best on every job, and I tend to try to work with those. You probably wouldn't have made it through my interview process.

[Milton]

show me some pussy haa

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by Milton
show me some pussy haa

I think someone already showed your Daddy too much. haa

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by UnseenWorld


"I posed for loads of guys like that. Took their money and went home as soon as I could."

Thanks for your frank explanation of what passes for a professional attitude with some models. The good model gives her best on every job, and I tend to try to work with those. You probably wouldn't have made it through my interview process.

You would have shot her trust me. You would be the biggest fool in the world not to. Maybe you would not have.

The honest reason you do not sell to magazines is you cannot. Because you could get your instant money from the Internet and the big money from the magazines. Yes with some you have to wait, but others pay on acceptance. BL are very slow in using and paying but we can afford to wait. Any way as we said, the Internet now pays the instant money, the magazines are now the extra.

I was not criticising the girl or your photography but the fact that you chose that picture as a sample of your work. If you do not read anything into the girls eyes/thoughts the users of porn do. Webmasters beware of "blank" looks from girls. She can have a posse of guys in her, but if she looks vacant it will not pull in the members.

Think about it folks. This guy is criticising the editor of the top magazine in it's field. He has edited that magazine since it started. 10 years ago. Who knows more, him or Unseen?

And please stop thinking of these girls like your daughters, it's sad. Some girls are only to happy to pose with a guy, they are not virgins. So if she is licking out some girl thats fine, but if she is having sex with a guy that makes her a slut. Not in my eyes that is natural, what you think is alright is bi-sexual and not natural. Strange logic, anyone else see it? Plus I speak as someone with two daughters and a bi-sexual wife. And she is not ashamed of it or worried that I tell you.

[Turboface]

Originally posted by YDG

Is that a guy on the sofa?

I don't see any titties - I think it's an ugly dude.

[Westin]

not too take anything away from you Unseen ... but that pic you posted is over 190K !!!! if a tgp poster was to use that in their galleries, their BW bill would be 'somewhat' higher ...

and then thiis is PaulMarkham's pic ... which is only 25K ...

you guys compairing those pictures is like apples and oranges!

- Wes

[=^..^=]

Originally posted by Queueyon
I posed for loads of guys like that. Took their money and went home as soon as I could.

...and I bet it REALLY showed thru in your pics too
I refuse to shoot models wqith that kind of an attitdue.

The Girl you are shooting will really make or break your pics.

One of the main reasons my sets sold so well was I ALWAYS pushed the limits of what I could do - and managed to maintain a smile thru it all
I was voted favourite girl of all time by the BIGGEST magazine (not just porn but mainstream too) in Oz - because I always thought like a reader and gave 110% of what I thought they would like to see.

As a phtographer I have carried the same attitude over into my pics- and NOTHING irks me more than when my partner sends me a model who is really 'limp' and I have to position her for every shot.


I've never posed for a shoot under the influence of alcohol or drugs - for one thing it looks terrible - and secondly if a girl needs any substances to help 'get her through' a shoot - then she is in the wrong industry and shouldn't be doing the pics. If any girls turn up at my door like that I send them home - they don't get over the first step.

Too many girl out there think that they are gonna become the next claudia schiffer beacuse they are 'modelling' for pics. I won't shoot girls with a prima donna attitude - this is porn , if they want to be on the cover of vogue they can go thru an agency. The name of this game is to have a much fun as you can- enjoy yourself and at the end of the day when you get your pay it's all just a bonus.

I've seen the mode ns and Unseens sites - and I've been present at one of Aaron's shoots. There is a very light hearted yet professional air - and it shows thru in his sets. The girls look genuinely pleased to be shot.

Unseen - great to see someone has an interest in pics other than porn. - Nice shot too!
I carry my camera with me everywhere I go - I never leave home wihtout it.. I couldn't bear the thought of missing a beautiful sunset or a dramatic event.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by =^..^=
.....I've been present at one of Aaron's shoots. There is a very light hearted yet professional air - and it shows thru in his sets. The girls look genuinely pleased to be shot.

Did you catch that part Charly? I think part of it has to do with the fact that the models around here do not feel as though they are required to suck us off after the shoot as you have bragged about the models you work with.

Thank you for the kind words Kitty.

[FATPad]

Yes. Content producer wars. Good stuff.

Dialer wars, content wars, processor wars...next up is the designer wars. That should be fun, too.

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by =^..^=


...and I bet it REALLY showed thru in your pics too
I refuse to shoot models wqith that kind of an attitdue.

The Girl you are shooting will really make or break your pics.

One of the main reasons my sets sold so well was I ALWAYS pushed the limits of what I could do - and managed to maintain a smile thru it all
I was voted favourite girl of all time by the BIGGEST magazine (not just porn but mainstream too) in Oz - because I always thought like a reader and gave 110% of what I thought they would like to see.

As a phtographer I have carried the same attitude over into my pics- and NOTHING irks me more than when my partner sends me a model who is really 'limp' and I have to position her for every shot.


I've never posed for a shoot under the influence of alcohol or drugs - for one thing it looks terrible - and secondly if a girl needs any substances to help 'get her through' a shoot - then she is in the wrong industry and shouldn't be doing the pics. If any girls turn up at my door like that I send them home - they don't get over the first step.

Too many girl out there think that they are gonna become the next claudia schiffer beacuse they are 'modelling' for pics. I won't shoot girls with a prima donna attitude - this is porn , if they want to be on the cover of vogue they can go thru an agency. The name of this game is to have a much fun as you can- enjoy yourself and at the end of the day when you get your pay it's all just a bonus.

I've seen the mode ns and Unseens sites - and I've been present at one of Aaron's shoots. There is a very light hearted yet professional air - and it shows thru in his sets. The girls look genuinely pleased to be shot.

Unseen - great to see someone has an interest in pics other than porn. - Nice shot too!
I carry my camera with me everywhere I go - I never leave home wihtout it.. I couldn't bear the thought of missing a beautiful sunset or a dramatic event.

My photo shoots are fun. The girls are there for the fun of it as well as the money. Like you, I have no time for the gal whose reason for being there has more to do with her own agenda than mine. That agenda frequently revolves around her career (not my concern) or getting some drug $ or whatever. By now, I've developed radar for the girl who's the wrong type for what I do.

The proof that the girls are there for fun as well as money is that almost always they'll accept an invitation to dinner (I hate eating alone) when they could easily beg off with a good sounding excuse ("I have a class" or "I have a date" or "I'm going to the movies with my sister"). When dinner is over, they go their way and I go mine. It's NOT a date! It's just social.

Thanks for the compliment on my pic. I know that no single girl is going to please everybody. I offered it rather as proof that you don't need Nikon D1 to take a technically good web photo, and since it was better than the one Charly put up, naturally he had to attempt to find fault with it in some other regard.